Stewart's Katonah Push Upsets Indians

Stewart's Katonah Push Upsets Indians

There are 13 comments on the Hartford Courant story from May 30, 2007, titled Stewart's Katonah Push Upsets Indians. In it, Hartford Courant reports that:

Martha Stewart's attempt to trademark "Katonah" - a move that has already riled some of her village neighbors - has now upset some American Indians because the name originally belonged to a 17th-century chief.

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“Man bites dog”

Since: Apr 07

SW

#1 May 30, 2007
Instead of "Katonah" why not call the goods "Ex-Felon Housewares". It's truthful at least since she has a bit of street cred after spending time in the big house. In fact she could probably put out a gangsta rap album now. Call it "The HO from HELL". Get 50-cent to produce it for her.
jeff

Los Angeles, CA

#2 May 30, 2007
scalp her Tantric
Paul

United States

#3 May 30, 2007
If she wants to sell a Katonah Lounge Chair, and someone wants to buy it, that's their business. It has nothing to do with the town's or the tribe's ability to refer to the word Katonah. Does Pontiac, Michigan, pay royalties to GM on behalf of their residents? I don't think so.

Stop making Martha Stewart a target because she's a shrewd business person.
steven

Trenton, NJ

#4 May 30, 2007
Let her trademark your dad's name if you wish but leave our ancestors alone. No one has the right to use anyone's family name without permission.
Concerned

Arlington, VT

#5 May 30, 2007
Paul wrote:
Does Pontiac, Michigan, pay royalties to GM on behalf of their residents? I don't think so.
You're joking, right? You ARE aware, aren't you, that Pontiac, Michigan is named after Chief Pontiac ... and that the CAR came much later than either?

Actually, it's a great argument for why this misappropriation of Native names makes a difference. Let a few decades pass and every ignoramus thinks that it's the product that came before the person.
Lenape Oklahoma

AOL

#6 May 30, 2007
Apparently investigative reporting is no longer used when getting a story out to the public. Taking the word of someone and not checking it out and then reporting it as factual to the public is irresponsible and reckless. These articles someday will be used as a form of research and what do you know it will be totally unfounded and all because no one took the time to research the so-called facts. The press gets into a frenzy and by God nothing else matters not even the truth. One phone call to the BIA in Washington DC would tell you there are no Lenape Indians in New Jersey. There are what we call wannabe groups looking for that cloud with the silver lining which the press is giving them by printing un factual stories as truth. The Lenape are in Oklahoma not New Jersey. Yes New Jersey has a so-called Indian Commission used solely to defraud. Christie Todd Whitman created this wannabe mess long before the dust settled at the World Trade Center. Do your research! These wannabe's are about as much Indian as she was and intelligent or competent EPA Director. Do the research start in Anadarko, Oklahoma. The press has been duped by not investigating before printing and the public is left holding the bag of lies which they also paid for. No wonder things are in such a mess. No one who gets paid to write cares enough to do the homework required for good journalism.By the way apparently American History is not looked into either. Does anyone know what is wrong about any of these so-called Indian claims? Get ready for American History lesson 101 Katonah was not I repeat not Lenape he was of another tribe and yes I do know. It will be interesting to see who knows the real history after all. Because they sure are not in the know in New Jersey and no one in the press caught this false statement. Another historical debacle. I suggest we not believe everything we read and start looking for the real facts which are out here if only you care to look. The media needs to do a better job as we are not getting what we are paying for.
steven

Trenton, NJ

#7 Jun 1, 2007
Lenape Oklahoma wrote:
Apparently investigative reporting is no longer used when getting a story out to the public. Taking the word of someone and not checking it out and then reporting it as factual to the public is irresponsible and reckless. These articles someday will be used as a form of research and what do you know it will be totally unfounded and all because no one took the time to research the so-called facts. The press gets into a frenzy and by God nothing else matters not even the truth. One phone call to the BIA in Washington DC would tell you there are no Lenape Indians in New Jersey. There are what we call wannabe groups looking for that cloud with the silver lining which the press is giving them by printing un factual stories as truth. The Lenape are in Oklahoma not New Jersey. Yes New Jersey has a so-called Indian Commission used solely to defraud. Christie Todd Whitman created this wannabe mess long before the dust settled at the World Trade Center. Do your research! These wannabe's are about as much Indian as she was and intelligent or competent EPA Director. Do the research start in Anadarko, Oklahoma. The press has been duped by not investigating before printing and the public is left holding the bag of lies which they also paid for. No wonder things are in such a mess. No one who gets paid to write cares enough to do the homework required for good journalism.By the way apparently American History is not looked into either. Does anyone know what is wrong about any of these so-called Indian claims? Get ready for American History lesson 101 Katonah was not I repeat not Lenape he was of another tribe and yes I do know. It will be interesting to see who knows the real history after all. Because they sure are not in the know in New Jersey and no one in the press caught this false statement. Another historical debacle. I suggest we not believe everything we read and start looking for the real facts which are out here if only you care to look. The media needs to do a better job as we are not getting what we are paying for.
and I suppose our ancester Betia VanDunk whom travelled to Oaklahoma during the great exodus to help you keep your traditions was no lenape either? You need to read YOUR history. Just because you don't want to recognize us means we are not. You don't even recognize your own in Oaklahoma so you don't have a leg to stand on..
Lenape

Zelienople, PA

#8 Jun 1, 2007
In response to Oklahoma Lenape:

You don't know your own history frankly.

There are Lenape in New Jersey, how do I know this? It's a fact! Where do you think your ancestors lived before Ok.? Why they lived in NJ and Pa. Shocking isn't it. Have you even bothered speaking with the Ramapoughs, Sand Hills, or is the BIA all you've got? Yes you can base your belief on who the government says is Indian, if that's your cup of tea. I'm not talking wannabee groups here, I'm talking historical, genealogical ties.

Your family came from us. You know you should really get mad about the people that are wannabees and "playing house" in the East. If you'd get off your card carrying high horse and get the heck out here and actually do something, that might help.
Lenape

Zelienople, PA

#9 Jun 1, 2007
In response to Oklahoma Lenape:

You don't know your own history frankly.

There are Lenape in New Jersey, how do I know this? It's a fact! Where do you think your ancestors lived before Ok.? Why they lived in NJ and Pa. Shocking isn't it. Have you even bothered speaking with the Ramapoughs, Sand Hills, or is the BIA all you've got? Yes you can base your belief on who the government says is Indian, if that's your cup of tea. I'm not talking wannabee groups here, I'm talking historical, genealogical ties.

Your family came from us. You know you should really get mad about the people that are wannabees and "playing house" in the East. If you'd get off your card carrying high horse and get the heck out here and actually do something, that might help.
Lenape Oklahoma

AOL

#10 Jun 3, 2007
Obviously I have struck a nerve with the wannabe’s by posting factual information. I noticed you did not answer the Katonah question about his tribal affiliation. You instead tried to say we need you and yours to teach us our own heritage. This we find amusing and like most stories you and yours tell is untrue. Of course we are federal card carrying Indians and I am so glad you pointed that fact out to the public. It is true the federal government has a federal identification card program and has for many years. I can tell by your posting that you are unable to qualify for one because you in fact are anything but Lenape. I am proud to say I can give my family history back to the 1600’s and that the federal government has issued my card based on the fact that my family can prove who we are and where we came from. From your posting I would say that fact alone eats at you. Why do not want to accept who you really are? Why do you find shame in your own people? Why do you want to be us? We certainly do not want to be you. We left on one behind in the northeast and that is a fact.

The public should be made aware of genealogical reports having been completed on the wannabe groups located in New Jersey. After all they are public records. Research the Jackson White’s for the Ramapough. Research the Bloomsbury Report for the Nanticoke Lenni Lenape . These reports caused Roy S. Johnson aka Crazy Horse as Director of the Indian Commission in New Jersey to pull off the biggest scam I have ever seen against American Indians and tax payers across the United States. Since the reports found no American Indian Blood lines Johnson decided he needed to create them on paper. He wrote the following amendment in New Jersey and it became law in January 2002.
Lenape Oklahoma

AOL

#11 Jun 3, 2007
NEW JERSEY LAW:

52:16A-53 New Jersey Commission on American Indian Affairs; members.
1.There is established in the Department of State the New Jersey Commission on American Indian Affairs. The commission shall consist of nine members: the Secretary of State, serving ex officio, and eight public members, not more than four of whom shall be from the same political party. Two of the public members shall be members of the Nanticoke Lenni Lenape Indians, to be appointed by the Governor on the recommendation of the Confederation of the Nanticoke Lenni Lenape Tribes and with the advice and consent of the Senate. Two of the public members shall be members of the Ramapough Mountain Indians, to be appointed by the Governor on the recommendation of the Ramapough Mountain Indians and with the advice and consent of the Senate. Two of the public members shall be members of the Powhatan Renape Nation, to be appointed by the Governor on the recommendation of the Powhatan Renape Nation and with the advice and consent of the Senate. Two of the public members shall be memb
ers of the Intertribal People, to be appointed by the Governor on the recommendation of the Intertribal People and with the advice and consent of the Senate. "Intertribal People" means American Indians who reside in New Jersey and are not members of the Nanticoke Lenni Lenape Indians, the Ramapough Mountain Indians, or the Powhatan Renape Nation, but are enrolled members of another tribe recognized by another state or the federal government.
26:8-49 Corrections to birth and fetal death certificates.
26:8-49. Corrections to birth and fetal death certificates shall be signed by the person who made the original report or by either of the parents of the child or by any other person having personal knowledge of the matters sought to be corrected which other person shall state such matters on his oath.
Corrections may also be signed by any person whose birth report is in error provided substantiating documentary proof, satisfactory to the State registrar or any local registrar, is submitted therewith and noted by said State registrar or local registrar upon the written request for correction. In the case of a correction to the birth record of a member of one of the three New Jersey tribes of American Indians, the Powhatan-Renape Nation, the Ramapough Mountain Indians, or the Nanticoke -Lenni-Lenape Indians, the substantiating documentary proof may include, but shall not be limited to, an affidavit, satisfactory to the State registrar or any local registrar and signed by the chief of the tribe that according to tribal records the person whose certificate is to be amended is a member of the tribe of the chief whose signature appears on the affidavit.
In other words create your own blood line. To find out about Roy S. Johnson I suggest you contact the FBI using the Freedom of Information Act. I will give you a little hint as to his character. The onetime pimp who sat on the New Jersey Boxing Commission and became a counterfeit chief of a bogus tribe and they want us to believe this is a legitimate American Indian Commission? All I can say is I had always heard that New Jersey was corrupt, but I never expected them to put it in writing as a law. Indians in New Jersey I think NOT!
Lenape Oklahoma

AOL

#12 Jun 3, 2007
NEW JERSEY LAW:

52:16A-53 New Jersey Commission on American Indian Affairs; members.
1.There is established in the Department of State the New Jersey Commission on American Indian Affairs. The commission shall consist of nine members: the Secretary of State, serving ex officio, and eight public members, not more than four of whom shall be from the same political party. Two of the public members shall be members of the Nanticoke Lenni Lenape Indians, to be appointed by the Governor on the recommendation of the Confederation of the Nanticoke Lenni Lenape Tribes and with the advice and consent of the Senate. Two of the public members shall be members of the Ramapough Mountain Indians, to be appointed by the Governor on the recommendation of the Ramapough Mountain Indians and with the advice and consent of the Senate. Two of the public members shall be members of the Powhatan Renape Nation, to be appointed by the Governor on the recommendation of the Powhatan Renape Nation and with the advice and consent of the Senate. Two of the public members shall be memb
ers of the Intertribal People, to be appointed by the Governor on the recommendation of the Intertribal People and with the advice and consent of the Senate. "Intertribal People" means American Indians who reside in New Jersey and are not members of the Nanticoke Lenni Lenape Indians, the Ramapough Mountain Indians, or the Powhatan Renape Nation, but are enrolled members of another tribe recognized by another state or the federal government.
26:8-49 Corrections to birth and fetal death certificates.
26:8-49. Corrections to birth and fetal death certificates shall be signed by the person who made the original report or by either of the parents of the child or by any other person having personal knowledge of the matters sought to be corrected which other person shall state such matters on his oath.
Corrections may also be signed by any person whose birth report is in error provided substantiating documentary proof, satisfactory to the State registrar or any local registrar, is submitted therewith and noted by said State registrar or local registrar upon the written request for correction. In the case of a correction to the birth record of a member of one of the three New Jersey tribes of American Indians, the Powhatan-Renape Nation, the Ramapough Mountain Indians, or the Nanticoke -Lenni-Lenape Indians, the substantiating documentary proof may include, but shall not be limited to, an affidavit, satisfactory to the State registrar or any local registrar and signed by the chief of the tribe that according to tribal records the person whose certificate is to be amended is a member of the tribe of the chief whose signature appears on the affidavit.
In other words create your own blood line. To find out about Roy S. Johnson I suggest you contact the FBI using the Freedom of Information Act. I will give you a little hint as to his character. The onetime pimp who sat on the New Jersey Boxing Commission and became a counterfeit chief of a bogus tribe and they want us to believe this is a legitimate American Indian Commission? All I can say is I had always heard that New Jersey was corrupt, but I never expected them to put it in writing as a law. Indians in New Jersey I think NOT!
steven

Trenton, NJ

#13 Sep 27, 2007
And it is also a matter of public record that the
Ramapoughs were once called Hackensacky but we have descendents from the Haverstroo, Tappan, and Pompton Indians. The BIA have it on record. Nice try Sharon but you don't speak for all of the Indigeneous people. By the way, I can also trace my family back to the 1600's. When I traced the european ancestors of my family, I could go back to the 1100's. They had money so I have very good documentation. You see it's all about the casinos. That's the only reason we are not fed recognized.

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