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Honolulu Resident

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#41 Nov 26, 2009
There is not, nor has there ever been, any evidence that building the rail will ease the traffic problems. In fact, those who supported the railroad in the survey said they do not plan to use it. No one seems willing to give up their SUVs. They want to build the rail to provide jobs, and everyone seems to agree that it will then sit there as an eyesore, a blight on our landscape. Please remember, it is not expected to lessen the traffic problem.
BuildRailNow

Mililani, HI

#42 Nov 26, 2009
Honolulu Resident wrote:
There is not, nor has there ever been, any evidence that building the rail will ease the traffic problems. In fact, those who supported the railroad in the survey said they do not plan to use it. No one seems willing to give up their SUVs. They want to build the rail to provide jobs, and everyone seems to agree that it will then sit there as an eyesore, a blight on our landscape. Please remember, it is not expected to lessen the traffic problem.
Time for some remedial education here. If you'd been staying abreast of the information and comments by rail advocates, you'd have seen that rail indeed will ease traffic problems. With rail, traffic will be reduced from what it would be without rail. The estimate is +-20%, so without question, to use your words, "rail will ease the traffic problems."

Trying to get inside your mind, we imagine you want rail to reduce traffic problems from what they are NOW. How do you think ANYTHING can do that after 200,000 more people are living on Oahu by 2030? Anti-rail people like to hold this "won't reduce traffic" false argument out so they can attack rail with it, but that's just bogus.

HR, please pick up our challenge in one of my recent posts: What's your proposal to avoid traffic altogether, since you're so worried about it? Give us your best shot -- but please avoid the unworkable proposals we've already mentioned.
Pearl City Senior

Honolulu, HI

#43 Nov 26, 2009
BuildRailNow wrote:
It's been hours since we set out this challenge to the anti-rail crowd, and not one of them has responded. That says something about the lack of ideas on that side of the line of scrimmage. Here's the challenge again, as amended:
CHALLENGE TO ANTI-RAIL CROWD: Vehicle and traffic growth will increase as Oahu's population does the same, creating an ongoing traffic gridlock situation during and outside of rush hours between downtown Honolulu and West Oahu. That being a certainty, what are your alternatives to sitting in traffic in the east-west corridor? Honolulu's rail project will be that alternative for decades to come, even as traffic congestion continues due to an ever-increasing population. YOUR ALTERNATIVES HAVE TO BE WORKABLE -- i.e., no tunnels under Pearl Harbor, no HOT lanes and other new roadways, no unworkable carpool plans, etc. Just give us your best alternative to avoiding traffic congestion completely, as rail will.
I think Spock, post #14 qualifies as an answer. No?
Spock

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#44 Nov 26, 2009
Good grief Mr. BuildRailNow, I already answered your challenge! Your response was to argue that Oahu's population will continue to grow without limits and therefore necessitate the construction of rail regardless of any other measure that might be taken. How do you figure the population will continue to grow limitlessly? In order for that to happen there must be more jobs. Where are those jobs going to come from? The two biggest sectors of Oahu's economy are tourism and the military. How many more hotels do you see getting built in the next twenty years? How many more military bases? In my opinion there may be a few more hotels but probably little or no growth in the military sector. I certainly don't see thousands of new jobs being created. If that doesn't happen then Oahu will not see the tremendous population growth you seem to be counting on. Yes, there will be a temporary increase in construction jobs due to rail, but what will happen to those jobs when rail is built? Are you planning to just keep building stuff? Sooner or later the tax payers and the government are going to run out of money for public works projects. What then? Why not plan for a realistic, sustainable future instead of plotting to develop every last piece of land on Oahu?
Go Get Um

Honolulu, HI

#45 Nov 26, 2009
I agree with Build Rail Now, rail will indeed ease traffic. There have done a number of studies done by the city and the results are available to the public. Why dont you take the time to read some of these studies before you claim rail wont help alleviate our traffic problems.
Go Get Um

Honolulu, HI

#46 Nov 26, 2009
Spock wrote:
Good grief Mr. BuildRailNow, I already answered your challenge! Your response was to argue that Oahu's population will continue to grow without limits and therefore necessitate the construction of rail regardless of any other measure that might be taken. How do you figure the population will continue to grow limitlessly? In order for that to happen there must be more jobs. Where are those jobs going to come from? The two biggest sectors of Oahu's economy are tourism and the military. How many more hotels do you see getting built in the next twenty years? How many more military bases? In my opinion there may be a few more hotels but probably little or no growth in the military sector. I certainly don't see thousands of new jobs being created. If that doesn't happen then Oahu will not see the tremendous population growth you seem to be counting on. Yes, there will be a temporary increase in construction jobs due to rail, but what will happen to those jobs when rail is built? Are you planning to just keep building stuff? Sooner or later the tax payers and the government are going to run out of money for public works projects. What then? Why not plan for a realistic, sustainable future instead of plotting to develop every last piece of land on Oahu?
Its called transit oriented development. Construction jobs will eventually give way to jobs in the private sector.
BuildRailNow

Mililani, HI

#47 Nov 26, 2009
Spock wrote:
Good grief Mr. BuildRailNow, I already answered your challenge! Your response was to argue that Oahu's population will continue to grow without limits and therefore necessitate the construction of rail regardless of any other measure that might be taken. How do you figure the population will continue to grow limitlessly? In order for that to happen there must be more jobs. Where are those jobs going to come from? The two biggest sectors of Oahu's economy are tourism and the military. How many more hotels do you see getting built in the next twenty years? How many more military bases? In my opinion there may be a few more hotels but probably little or no growth in the military sector. I certainly don't see thousands of new jobs being created. If that doesn't happen then Oahu will not see the tremendous population growth you seem to be counting on. Yes, there will be a temporary increase in construction jobs due to rail, but what will happen to those jobs when rail is built? Are you planning to just keep building stuff? Sooner or later the tax payers and the government are going to run out of money for public works projects. What then? Why not plan for a realistic, sustainable future instead of plotting to develop every last piece of land on Oahu?
Uh, no...Mr. Spock. Population growth doesn't happen because jobs are created. It happens because.... because....well....you know. Men and Women, getting together.... It's natural. So when the rail project assessed future population growth (you can look it up in the documentation), it was a clear-eyed assessment of what the 2030 population will be compared to 2005. You may not like it; you may think it shouldn't happen, but it's gonna happen, and this community needs to plan for it.

With population growth will come congestion growth, and without a rail alternative to sitting in traffic, commuting life would be unbearable.

Responding to Pearl City Senior: As we noted after Mr. Spock's post that you cite, his suggestions are fine as far as they go...but they don't go far enough. They don't get at the heart of the issue, which is to create an alternative to sitting in the traffic levels that inevitably will occur with population growth. Rail's the alternative.
Really

Waipahu, HI

#48 Nov 26, 2009
BuildRailNow wrote:
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Uh, no...Mr. Spock. Population growth doesn't happen because jobs are created. It happens because.... because....well....you know. Men and Women, getting together.... It's natural. So when the rail project assessed future population growth (you can look it up in the documentation), it was a clear-eyed assessment of what the 2030 population will be compared to 2005. You may not like it; you may think it shouldn't happen, but it's gonna happen, and this community needs to plan for it.
With population growth will come congestion growth, and without a rail alternative to sitting in traffic, commuting life would be unbearable.
Responding to Pearl City Senior: As we noted after Mr. Spock's post that you cite, his suggestions are fine as far as they go...but they don't go far enough. They don't get at the heart of the issue, which is to create an alternative to sitting in the traffic levels that inevitably will occur with population growth. Rail's the alternative.
Rail is not the answer. Make the Bus the alternative not Rail. Have the B bypass the Eastbound and Westbound traffic congestion.

The DOT plans on creating a Westbound contra=flow lane bypassing the traffic congestin between Radford Drive and the Waiawa Interchange. When completed, why not make the contraflow lane an HOV lane. That way the Bus will avoid the Westbound traffic congestion and bring its passengers a lot faster than a slow train that makes a stop every mile.

The DOT plans on adding a lane from the Middle Street bottleneck to Vineyard. Then have the zipper lane connect to that additional lane and make that additional lane HOV.

Result? The city won't spend a single cent to create a Bus alternative to traffic. Not only that, the Bus is very much faster than the train. The taxpayers of Oahu woiuld be spared the expense of financing a $5.5 billion rail system plus the huge bureaucracy to manage and maintain the Rail system. And there won't be a need anymore for the 1/1 percent Rail tax.
BuildRailNow

Mililani, HI

#49 Nov 26, 2009
Really wrote:
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Rail is not the answer. Make the Bus the alternative not Rail. Have the B bypass the Eastbound and Westbound traffic congestion.
The DOT plans on creating a Westbound contra=flow lane bypassing the traffic congestin between Radford Drive and the Waiawa Interchange. When completed, why not make the contraflow lane an HOV lane. That way the Bus will avoid the Westbound traffic congestion and bring its passengers a lot faster than a slow train that makes a stop every mile.
The DOT plans on adding a lane from the Middle Street bottleneck to Vineyard. Then have the zipper lane connect to that additional lane and make that additional lane HOV.
Result? The city won't spend a single cent to create a Bus alternative to traffic. Not only that, the Bus is very much faster than the train. The taxpayers of Oahu woiuld be spared the expense of financing a $5.5 billion rail system plus the huge bureaucracy to manage and maintain the Rail system. And there won't be a need anymore for the 1/1 percent Rail tax.
Each of your suggestions involves vehicles driving on pavement in the mix of other vehicles, all of which are susceptible to congestion, accidents, unforeseen delays, etc., so they're disqualified as viable alternatives to congestion in all its forms. TheBus is faster than a train? That doesn't come close to reality.

Rail IS the answer, and we suggest you spend some time with the Alternatives Analysis and all its documentation, as well as the DEIS.
Really

Waipahu, HI

#50 Nov 26, 2009
BuildRailNow wrote:
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Each of your suggestions involves vehicles driving on pavement in the mix of other vehicles, all of which are susceptible to congestion, accidents, unforeseen delays, etc., so they're disqualified as viable alternatives to congestion in all its forms. TheBus is faster than a train? That doesn't come close to reality.
Rail IS the answer, and we suggest you spend some time with the Alternatives Analysis and all its documentation, as well as the DEIS.
WRONG. You are mouthing the propaganda produced by the City.

I suggest that you the read the following from the Federal Transit Administration of the US DOT regarding BRT: http://www.nbrti.org/media/evaluations/Honolu...

I also suggest that you read the following: http://hawaii.gov/dot/highways/modernization/...

The mountain of funds needed to (1) build rail and (2) create and organize the huge bureaucracy to manage and maintain Rail (Honolulu Transit Authority) does not and never justifies building Rail and creating a huge bureaucracy to maintain and manage it (Honolulu Transit Authority). Common sense dictates and shows that there are better and much cheaper way to either create an alternative to sitting in traffic or eliminate traffic gridlock itself.

The argument against the Zipper and HOV lane is weak and is just an alibi to promote Rail.
Population Control

Honolulu, HI

#51 Nov 26, 2009
Population Control ie births and immigration ( from ANYWHERE ) is the answer to ALL our woes.

Rail,Jobs,Environment,
BuildRailNow

Mililani, HI

#52 Nov 26, 2009
Really wrote:
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WRONG. You are mouthing the propaganda produced by the City.
I suggest that you the read the following from the Federal Transit Administration of the US DOT regarding BRT: http://www.nbrti.org/media/evaluations/Honolu...
I also suggest that you read the following: http://hawaii.gov/dot/highways/modernization/...
The mountain of funds needed to (1) build rail and (2) create and organize the huge bureaucracy to manage and maintain Rail (Honolulu Transit Authority) does not and never justifies building Rail and creating a huge bureaucracy to maintain and manage it (Honolulu Transit Authority). Common sense dictates and shows that there are better and much cheaper way to either create an alternative to sitting in traffic or eliminate traffic gridlock itself.
The argument against the Zipper and HOV lane is weak and is just an alibi to promote Rail.
So funny...that what your opponents say is propaganda...and you, of course, speak the "truth."

Answer me this: Where do the cars go after they leave the Zipper and HOV lanes? Into traffic, right? And what do you do with those cars when you reach your destination? Park them in paid parking, right? And do you have to maintain those cars and insure them and fuel them? Yep.

But even those observations are secondary to the fact that if you rely on roads and cars, you haven't created an alternative to sitting in traffic because they end result of any car trip is traffic.

As for the rest of your arguments -- they're just anti-rail propaganda.
Really

Waipahu, HI

#53 Nov 26, 2009
Population Control wrote:
Population Control ie births and immigration ( from ANYWHERE ) is the answer to ALL our woes.
Rail,Jobs,Environment,
Jobs? Not at the expense of the people of Oahu who can not afford not only the monstrous cost of Rail but also the monstrous cost of paying the salaries of a huge bureaucracy called Honolulu Transit Authority and the huge amount of money needed to maintain the rail tracks, the train and equipment.

Oahu has no need for Rail. Oahu can not afford Rail.

At this point, Rail is a dead issue. Without the EIS Rail is dead..
TeriYaki

Honolulu, HI

#54 Nov 27, 2009
alice wrote:
Please use rail money to feed our famileis and to send children to school. Hawaii, under Lingle, has become a third world, impoverished country. We don't need rail;. People are leaving thne west side in droves. Please provide critical services first
Why does every one of your posts have miss-spellings? I thought you were a college student? Learn how to spell before hitting POST, ding bat..
nnifer

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#55 Nov 27, 2009
Good day fo grind!!!!!!!!

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