Hawaii Superferry reprieve being drafted

Hawaii Superferry reprieve being drafted

There are 245 comments on the The Honolulu Advertiser story from Oct 11, 2007, titled Hawaii Superferry reprieve being drafted. In it, The Honolulu Advertiser reports that:

Transcript of Tuesday's Superferry hearing Future of company's 310 workers unclear StoryChat: Comment on this story Hawaii Superferry's Alakai remains docked at Pier 19 while lawmakers ponder the possibility of ...

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Stick to the Subject

Keaau, HI

#1 Oct 11, 2007
I am in favor of a special session to save the Hawaii Superferry. I feel this special session to help this one company is not to save it because of what it did wrong, but that a special session should correct the interpretation of the Supreme Court (HSC) and the Maui Judge of HRS 343.
The improvements made, even though made for the Hawaii Superferry, were, in fact, made. According to the HSC, Judge Cardoza ruled incorrectly in 2005 in not requiring the Environmental Assessment that led the company to build the ship and the harbors to be improved. It seems very clear to me why the company did not want to be required to do it---look at all the divisions that have opened up in our state between our islands over this matter.
We should have the right to travel by car throughout our state just as roads on the mainland connect cities and towns there. And now that a company has stepped up to risk capital to provide this service they should be allowed to operate.
Their way was “paved” with the approvals they got from so many federal and state officials. The law must be changed to do what is right. I truly feel the vast majority of Hawaii voters support this.
At this point the fairest thing to do is to let market forces determine the company’s fate. Let the law be changed to honor the exemption made already.(I’m not skilled in law, but simply ...)

§343-5
10. The following exemption is otherwise provided:
A. All harbor improvements made on Hawaii, Maui, Oahu, and Kauai for interisland ferry service during 2004-2007 are exempt from environmental assessment and therefore an environmental impact statement, and from all conditions precedent.
B. The first inter-island passenger/vehicle ferry company using such improvements shall also be exempt from any condition precedent and any environmental assessment, and therefore exempt from any environmental impact statement in the use of these facilities and in operation within all the waters of the state of Hawaii.
C. The first company to operate interisland passenger/vehicle ferry service shall be deemed to be JF Lehman and Company, Hawaii Superferry, and HSF Holding, Inc.
D. The first company to operate interisland passenger/vehicle ferry shall conform to any and all operation requirements of the Hawaii Department of Transportation.

Since: Sep 07

Makakilo

#3 Oct 11, 2007
I support a special session! I read Chapter 343 in its entirety and nowhere in there does it even apply to a ship, only to the improvements on the land (shoreline). Cardoza overstepped in his interpretation of the law and should only have based his ruling on the harbor improvements. Maybe his ruling would have had the same outcome, but the ship and ocean environment is not covered by Chapter 343! In any case, I wish the legislators would stop playing the blame game and get on with it! Call a special session and Save Our Ferry. I, a voter, am watching how you handle this. Grow up and stop pointing fingers. Just FIX IT!
Sophistcamel

Honolulu, HI

#4 Oct 11, 2007
Please bring some common sense and reasonabiliy to the table when you meet. Recognize that critical infrastructure is not in place to support the increased new commerce that is envisioned. Only those unfortunates who suffer accidents or serious illness on neighbor islands understand what dire straights these healthcare systems are in. We desparetly need a new hospital in Kona. I believe Maui and kauai also are is need. We are putting all these new people at risk bringing them over here with an expectation that should they get seriously hurt or ill, they will be taken care of in a timely manner. govenor Lingle. please do something for our neighbor island hospitals. Please bring this up at your special session. show us that you really care about the people. Thank you.
Bill

United States

#5 Oct 11, 2007
A special session for the proposed purpose of "fixing" the law would be an unprecedented demonstration of contempt for the law and the judicial system. Several people on these boards have commented that it is errant, wacky judges mis-interpreting the law that is causing the problem. But every single ruling on the interpretation of this law as it regards SuperFerry has been the same, an EA is required.
An exemption does not apply. The law is not the problem. The execution of the law is the problem. The executive office is charged with executing the law. Governor Lingle has not done her job and now hopes to cover up her bungling by re-writing another law.
Lingle just wants to just make them up a she goes along.

Look at the first poster in this forum's proposal for how the law might look. Reconcile that with "a special session should correct the interpretation of the Supreme Court (HSC) and the Maui Judge of HRS 343". This isn't correcting the judges interpretation. It's re-writing the law to exempt a single company.

The law is strong, carefully crafted and unambiguous. It was written to protect us and our environment from unnecessary, inadvertent or deliberate damage. It has worked just fine for 30 years.
Willie

Farmington, MI

#6 Oct 11, 2007
They are just fixing a loophole. Law makers do it all the time. No one knows the loophole exists until someone brings suit then the judges decide what it means...plain and simple. Just because it has "worked" for 30 years does not mean it is flawless.
west side

United States

#7 Oct 11, 2007
Bill from Torrance said "A special session for the proposed purpose of "fixing" the law would be an unprecedented demonstration of contempt for the law and the judicial system"

listen carefully Bill from Torrance ---> judges don't own the law --- the people do --- since, we the people own it, we can change it.
CitizenofHawaiin ei

Kaunakakai, HI

#8 Oct 11, 2007
I, too, am in agreement with Stick to the Subject and Hoku...Superferry should sail while the study is being done. People have their own opinions and entitled to free speech but if this situation had not gotten out of hand and blown out of proportion and the Superferry did what it was built for, no one would have even given heed to it's comings and goings. We all would continue to live our lives, but then again, majority of Hawaii's people would benefit from this new way of travel... Just ask people in business and citizens of Hawaii nei...wow, can't wait to sail on the Superferry, thank God!
BABOOZE

United States

#9 Oct 11, 2007
rotu wrote:
hooser you looser= go baxk to where eva you came from!
huh? english please--a least something that passes for english.
Jerry

United States

#10 Oct 11, 2007
Being a new resident to Hawaii I find the Superferry fiasco almost as stupid as the transit sytsem proposal that will leave out Ewa Beach and the airport. It appears to me that a very small minority of the state would like to turn back time for their own selfish reasons. Why should 10-20 percent be able to screw things up for the other 80%. Regardless of why we are where we are at today do the right thing and do what is best for the Great State of Hawaii. Free the Superferry from the extremists to include Judge Cardoza!
BABOOZE

United States

#11 Oct 11, 2007
Sophistcamel wrote:
Please bring some common sense and reasonabiliy to the table when you meet. Recognize that critical infrastructure is not in place to support the increased new commerce that is envisioned. Only those unfortunates who suffer accidents or serious illness on neighbor islands understand what dire straights these healthcare systems are in. We desparetly need a new hospital in Kona. I believe Maui and kauai also are is need. We are putting all these new people at risk bringing them over here with an expectation that should they get seriously hurt or ill, they will be taken care of in a timely manner. govenor Lingle. please do something for our neighbor island hospitals. Please bring this up at your special session. show us that you really care about the people. Thank you.
WAY WRONG THREAD
BABOOZE

United States

#12 Oct 11, 2007
JUST SOMETHING FROM LEFT FIELD----
WHY, OH WHY, ARE THESE MAINLANDERS GIVING THEIR OPINION? DO THEY LIVE HERE? AAAH, MAYBE THEY HAVE A $$$$ INTEREST!!!!....
Regardless, if it does not affect you, why give the spiel... in other words butt out and shut up.
Free speech is wonderful but just what is your stake here? Methinks no stake other than to be a rabblerouser. Stay home--even if you were born here, you CHOSE to move away, then stay away---why should your opinion be worth anything.
My opinion, and I DO live here, is the ferry will be a boon to the state. It will give me another option to visit my family on the big island and Kaua'i (actually Ni'ihau)
But---as I have said before----I guess, since I live on Oahu with my Haole husband, I am now an invasive species and am not welcome.
Please grow up and realize this is the 21st century---progress happens.
When it does, you must either adapt to the paradigm or work to change it to your idea of the perfect paradigm. The question then becomes, just how hard are you willing to work?
Outside of the system, being a nuisance or within the system....'cause that IS the only way.
Bottom line.....
I want the ferry and I want it last year. I truly believe those that are against the ferry, well, they are fools just waiting for a future that benefits only them.
Randy

Redmond, WA

#13 Oct 11, 2007
I too support the HSF, after all has been said and done the HSF acted in good faith after being told by the State that an EA was not needed. Were where these people 3-4 yrs. ago when the public hearings were being held? Before the state spent the monies, before the HSF commited to building it's ship?
Just as the case of the H3 freeway, the Zipper lane, etc... i'm sure these people won't be using the HSF when it's up, and running.
Lastly, after serving over 27 yrs. in the Hawaii Air Guard, i've heard it all "Kauai way, mo betta", "We take care of our own" after Iniki, i know they don't have a clue! By the way is your Civil Defense center up and running yet? It's been only 5 years now, take care of that!
i urge all state legislators to get together, and put this thing to rest.

Aloha
Dude

Mililani, HI

#14 Oct 11, 2007
Willie wrote:
They are just fixing a loophole. Law makers do it all the time. No one knows the loophole exists until someone brings suit then the judges decide what it means...plain and simple. Just because it has "worked" for 30 years does not mean it is flawless.
Exactly! Great point- and just because they've been doing it so long doesn't mean its right.
Dude

Mililani, HI

#15 Oct 11, 2007
BABOOZE wrote:
JUST SOMETHING FROM LEFT FIELD----
WHY, OH WHY, ARE THESE MAINLANDERS GIVING THEIR OPINION? DO THEY LIVE HERE? AAAH, MAYBE THEY HAVE A $$$$ INTEREST!!!!....
Regardless, if it does not affect you, why give the spiel... in other words butt out and shut up.
Free speech is wonderful but just what is your stake here? Methinks no stake other than to be a rabblerouser. Stay home--even if you were born here, you CHOSE to move away, then stay away---why should your opinion be worth anything.
My opinion, and I DO live here, is the ferry will be a boon to the state. It will give me another option to visit my family on the big island and Kaua'i (actually Ni'ihau)
But---as I have said before----I guess, since I live on Oahu with my Haole husband, I am now an invasive species and am not welcome.
Please grow up and realize this is the 21st century---progress happens.
When it does, you must either adapt to the paradigm or work to change it to your idea of the perfect paradigm. The question then becomes, just how hard are you willing to work?
Outside of the system, being a nuisance or within the system....'cause that IS the only way.
Bottom line.....
I want the ferry and I want it last year. I truly believe those that are against the ferry, well, they are fools just waiting for a future that benefits only them.
You make some good points in wanting the SF. However, maybe you should take a second look at the people chiming in from the mainland and elsewhere. It affects a lot of people everywhere as was mentioned on KHON2 News last night. The news of the SF debate has reached as far as France and Australia and the reason- the debate has painted a dark picture of Hawaii as a place to do business. Who wants to come to Hawaii when they would be greeted by so much opposition and high costs? This is bad for our future as many of us would not have our cell phones and iPods and laptops were it not for big business coming to Hawaii. But I applaud your wanting the SF and I agree with you but we need to allow others to have their opinions too, don't you think? Aloha.
Ruby

Indian Hills, CO

#16 Oct 11, 2007
The judge made his decision based on the fact that the SF is "new technology". Huh?? A ferry is "new technology"? Does he live on an island? Has he ever been to other islands? A ferry is certainly not NEW technology! Every island chain I have ever been to has had a ferry. Too bad such a big decision is made in such a frivolous way. Was he paying attention during the hearings? That was the silliest thing I have ever heard.

“s'up”

Since: Sep 07

Davis, CA now King City, CA

#17 Oct 11, 2007
Front Page Star-Bulletin
House vows it will carry ferry
Democrats say they will convene a special session to change the law to let the ship sail
This is what was going to happen all along. No suprise. I guess we'll all hear about the big Democrat-Lingle conspiracry to subvert Judicial authority now! LOL
vegas dad

Las Vegas, NV

#18 Oct 11, 2007
I don't live in Maui anymore because there is little or no future for myself and my children. There is little or no economic growth, and very little chance of improvement. There are few or no new businesses coming to Maui. Very little investemnt also, and this superferry situation is probably a good example of why. Obviously this plays right into the corner of the eco-greenie-panthiest-gay community that have taken over the local press and are the most vocal critics of new businesses, unless they "approve". The public schools are atrocious, and have little chance of improvement, and many of the above described group work for that education department. Their educational inadequacies contribute to behavior such as I have seen over the last few days. This latest debacle with the superferry, added to the idiocy on Maui with the Montana beach properties illustrates some of the reasons I took my family "mainland" years ago. I still visit, but I won't be returning to live. Nice place, kind people, idiot leadership-the result of apathy by the normal people-you better wake up!!
Cat Manapua

Saint George, UT

#19 Oct 11, 2007
That mean old Ferry! How dare they keep all their employees on the payroll and try and protect 310 jobs! What nerve! Maybe they should try and ack more local like Hawaiian Airlines and send the jobs and ferry to the Philippines.
lawaia

Columbus, OH

#20 Oct 11, 2007
If there is a special session just for one private contractor to operate against the law, we might as well have a special session to legalize cockfighting and to make pakalolo legal like some other states in the U.S. There is no harm to the environment and it would boost our economy and tax revenue. Crime would go down, since you would eliminate the blackmarkets cut. The prisons would free up more beds for the more hardened violent crime offenders also saving money. The prisoners can then stay in Hawaii, keeping the prison money in state instead of giving it to out of state private contractors. This is only fair.
Hawaii Resident

Ewa Beach, HI

#21 Oct 11, 2007
Stop pointimg fingers and find a resolution! It's sad to think that it took 35 years for another alternative mode of transportation to hit the islands.Millions and
millions of dollars are riding on this venture and I'm anxiuos to ride the Alakai again! Yes! I also used
SeaFlite when it was in business.Let's end this anti-business climate NOW!!!

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