Kauai nears drowning record - Hawaii News

PRINCEVILLE, Kauai>> Four people apparently drowned in high surf Sunday and yesterday on Kauai, which is on the way to setting a new record for drownings this year, says a water safety expert. Full Story
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Mililani, HI

#1 Oct 14, 2008
A Real pity. Tourist need to be given a form ,like the Dept of Agriculture form, when they fly over to Hawaii. This will let them know that the ocean is a dangerous place and not Disneyland. People who live inland do not know the ocean. Even if they were a high school swimmer in Iowa, this ocean will kill them.
5 cents

Honolulu, HI

#2 Oct 14, 2008
Lingle should have all those tourist books by that author ordered destroyed before anymore tourist lives are lost. It's ashamed at how Linda doesn't care that we lose a few every year . maybe Linda does know better and let the tourists beware and aware. If they aren't that's their fault. Anytime you go out of your house is the possibility of you not getting back home alive.
Pupuka

Wahiawa, HI

#3 Oct 15, 2008
Lingle, DLNR, Hee, and the likes need to shut down the beaches on Kauai like they did at Sacred Falls on Oahu.
barney f

Honolulu, HI

#4 Oct 15, 2008
they closed a waterfall after only two deaths how many will it take before the county takes some action at queens bath?
Richard Richardson

Honolulu, HI

#5 Oct 15, 2008
The promotion of tourism guarantees that there will not be enough affordable housing for Hawaii to develop indigenous industries. Unsuspecting tourists who are lured to Hawaii by real estate agents and the tourist industry end up dead because Hawaii's dangers are never clearly explained.
Killa Wiffa

AOL

#6 Oct 15, 2008
Too many malihini's are mesmerized by the beauty of the deep blue ocean and are unafraid of the potential danger that may occur as they traverse across areas near rapidly rising surf.
uncle_aina

Kahului, HI

#7 Oct 15, 2008
I am very involved in trying to improve ocean safety on Kauai and we are constantly stopped at every turn by State and local officials who pass the buck.."Oh that's DLNR's authority" "Oh we have not ability to make this change"...Pure shibai and NOTHING gets done! Monty Downs finally built his own warning signs and bought his own rescue belts and put them in dangerous places like Lumahai, etc.
And Andrew Doughty - author of the Kauai Revealed - brah you have BLOOD on your hands. No one ever even went to Queens Bath before these books were released, and now over 10 people have died there. Not sure about you folks on other islands...I'm sure his books send people to dangerous spots on Maui, BI, etc.
I have heard that Mr Doughty refuses to make his warnings any stronger than they are. Well, I've just read them and they are not nearly strong enough. Read them for yourselves. We've had 2 women walk off a hidden cliff after reading about a "secret trail", we've had folks swept away at Lumahuli, on and on. After making millions of dollars in sales from these books, and acting like he's so cool and so hip, that he's at least show a photo of how Queens Bath looks when it's washed out vs a calm day. WHY NOT?? Right now he shows a peaceful scene of it and says "If you can't find it, the ocean probably isn't cooperating"

Maybe if he said "You need to be careful because since we revealed the location of Queens Bath, someone has drowned here almost every year."

Try that and see if a few less people die.

And my condolences to all the families who lost loved ones.
fran cobb

AOL

#8 Oct 17, 2008
part 1 - i was at queen's bath on 10/12/08 - sunday (the day the 2 ladies were swept out into the ocean). my family is devastated to say the least, as i know these families are devastated beyond measure. we are truly just sick to our stomachs and still are. we were on the island for our annual 3-week vacation with our 6 little ones. we had been told by a local that afternoon (while having a picnic lunch at a local princeville park), that there may be some high surf on the north shore, but had decided to do a "repeat" of this adventure spot. had been there the week previous and had a perfect afternoon - the seas were calm. we arrived to see that the "bath" was completely gone - covered by the raging ocean. it was awesome to watch. we travel to kauai often and know about the large surf, power of the ocean, we're good swimmers, etc. we never turn our back on the sea. we were staying back a "safe" distance from the edge. we had asked another couple to take some pics of our family for our annual Christmas card picture. the spray/waves crashing on the cliffs/rocks was incredible. the gigantic swells came in groups of 3-4 with about 10 minutes of calm in between. we had noticed a large group of people had just arrived and were standing somewhat close to the edge. we had just taken a few pics of the incredible scenes and that's when it happened. it started slowly, a panic, a shriek, word that someone had just been pulled in by a monster of a wave. the group of people were probably 40 ft from us. my husband tried to make his way over as quickly as possible (it's solid large, rough rock/coral boulders)- no sandy beach. just a sheer drop off into the raging ocean below. the screams were getting louder and we understood what no one wanted to ever hear or realize - that someone was in. the family/bystanders were hollering to anyone within ear distance to call 911. the reception is poor there - remote, mountainous, north shore. several people attempted, calls were disconnected. finally, my husband's call got through and he made the first report of the accident. the waves were pounding (we really only knew of one lady down, but later learned it had been two). i believe the husband of one lady attempted to lower himself in to save them. he was badly injured by the assault of the waves and the rough, jagged rocks. he was no match for the omni powerful pacific. my husband began to take off his backpack and talk of going in to the water to help. he couldn't imagine that no one was in there swimming out to save her. my 6 kiddos and i just began to plead and cry and begged him not to go. it was suicide to go in i told him. upon being dragged into the sea, i would assume she had hit her head and was unconscious and unable to swim. why else wasn't she swimming? why wasn't she swimming out away from the rocks instead of being crashed repeatedly upon them with tons of foamy salt water? did she know how to swim? how could the husband not have retrieved her? grabbed her? found her? was she not visible? the ocean was no match for a woman or a man or Hercules that day.
fran cobb

AOL

#9 Oct 17, 2008
part 2 - when she was spotted, she was floating face down far away from the cliff and drifting out to sea. the firefighters arrived on foot soon thereafter down from the parking lot path (approx 15 minutes), it felt like an eternity. they bravely entered the water with fins and floatation devices. we couldn't believe they were actually going in "the wild animal" that is the ocean. where was the coast guard helicopter? couldn't they lower down a navy seal from a copter or something? my husband was taking on the responsibility of watching the woman's faraway lifeless body floating about the swells. to keep one's eye on her was difficult. this image is etched on his retinas with each blink or quiet moment. should i have let him go in? was i filled with selfish fear for myself and children instead of concern for that woman and her children (they could be heard calling out, screaming to their mother). i would assume the victim's mother was the other lady on scene that was in obvious and utter and expected hysteria. it was just the most terrifying thing to have witnessed. the husband's legs were bloodied and gashed from his attempt at rescue. should he have sacrificed his life to save his wife and sister-in-law? his children would then have had no parents. it was a no win situation to be sure. i prayed with my children (for the families involved and that somehow, some way, the woman would be found alive out there floating and was just hanging on for help and rescue.....) and took my children away from this mortifying scene and up the steep, wet, dirt path. my husband stayed on site, as he was the contact # with the 911 dispatch and came up to join us in the parking lot about 30 minutes later. he learned that there were two victims in the water after the firefighters arrived on scene. he watched the fire captain hug the husband and say he was sorry and that his wife was not alive when retrieved via lifeguard sea-doo. she was about 500 yards from the place she fell in when finally retrieved from the abyss. the other lady was further out and rescued next. our scheduled departure from the island was 10/13/08. we spoke of the disaster on the long, painful drive home to the south shore. long periods of silence, then more questions from the children. then silence, then anger, then wondering why? the ocean is unpredictable and stronger than one can imagine. it should be noted that at the exact time that this double disaster was occurring, two other adults (husband & wife) were knocked down right nearby us (at queen's bath too)(they thankfully were more inland on the rocks and only in about waist deep water after the wave struck them.) the first two ladies had no where else to go but down as they were close to the edge (probably at least a 30 foot drop i would imagine - onto sharp rock and open ocean....)
fran cobb

AOL

#10 Oct 17, 2008
part 3 - i saw the man brace himself and grab onto a boulder for his life. his wife had been swept behind him and he was trying to also keep her from being pulled out by the mighty force of seawater. they were able to walk away (she had cuts on her leg) from queen's bath that day. terribly shaken naturally. knowing they had been spared. so i say this as a warning to be cautious, very cautious. never, never underestimate the power of the ocean. be alert. my husband and i have a new sense of appreciation and love for one another. these couples will never again hold one another's hands, each other, the mothers will never see their children smile...can you imagine resuming a vacation after this most horrific event? can you imagine resuming life? i pray that the victims were believers and are in heaven and that their loved ones are able to find a shred of peace and comfort in the Lord. we, just being bystanders, will forever be changed. our hearts are heavy. i don't ever want to return to queen's bath again. i pray for these families left without their wives, mommies, sisters, daughters, aunties, neices. thank you for letting me share this tragedy through my eyes and heart.

sincerely,
fran cobb
upland, ca 91786

ceilingboy@aol.com

have been visiting and loving kauai since our honeymoon there 23 years ago
fran cobb

AOL

#11 Oct 17, 2008
part 2 - when she was spotted, she was floating face down far away from the cliff and drifting out to sea. the firefighters arrived on foot soon thereafter down from the parking lot path (approx 15 minutes), it felt like an eternity. they bravely entered the water with fins and floatation devices. we couldn't believe they were actually going in "the wild animal" that is the ocean. where was the coast guard helicopter? couldn't they lower down a navy seal from a copter or something? my husband was taking on the responsibility of watching the woman's faraway lifeless body floating about the swells. to keep one's eye on her was difficult. this image is etched on his retinas with each blink or quiet moment. should i have let him go in? was i filled with selfish fear for myself and children instead of concern for that woman and her children (they could be heard calling out, screaming to their mother). i would assume the victim's mother was the other lady on scene that was in obvious and utter and expected hysteria. it was just the most terrifying thing to have witnessed. the husband's legs were bloodied and gashed from his attempt at rescue. should he have sacrificed his life to save his wife and sister-in-law? his children would then have had no parents. it was a no win situation to be sure. i prayed with my children (for the families involved and that somehow, some way, the woman would be found alive out there floating and was just hanging on for help and rescue.....) and took my children away from this mortifying scene and up the steep, wet, dirt path. my husband stayed on site, as he was the contact # with the 911 dispatch and came up to join us in the parking lot about 30 minutes later. he learned that there were two victims in the water after the firefighters arrived on scene. he watched the fire captain hug the husband and say he was sorry and that his wife was not alive when retrieved via lifeguard sea-doo. she was about 500 yards from the place she fell in when finally retrieved from the abyss. the other lady was further out and rescued next. our scheduled departure from the island was today. we spoke of the disaster on the long, painful drive home to the south shore. long periods of silence, then more questions from the children. then silence, then anger, then wondering why? the ocean is unpredictable and stronger than one can imagine. it should be noted that at the exact time that this double disaster was occurring, two other adults (husband & wife) were knocked down right nearby us (at queen's bath too)(they thankfully were more inland on the rocks and only in about waist deep water after the wave struck them.) the first two ladies had no where else to go but down as they were close to the edge (probably at least a 30 foot drop i would imagine - onto sharp rock and open ocean....)
Richard Richardson

Honolulu, HI

#12 Oct 17, 2008
On an individual level this is a terrible tragedy, especially for the children who lost their mothers. All who knew them are also deeply affected. The ocean can be very dangerous and it takes many lives. It is unfortunate that people who are lured to Hawaii by tourism promoters are never told the negatives. It is all promotion and no serious advice or insights into Hawaii's many dangers. People who do not even live near an ocean often confront some of the most powerful ocean forces on the planet. They are in no way prepared for the consequences of those dangerous forces. The corporate parasites that benefit the most from the tourist industry manage to keep the negatives well hidden. The real beneficiaries of tourism are mostly people who live elsewhere. They don't even see the problems they breed. They only see their corporate profits or losses.
Carole Moschetti

San Mateo, CA

#13 Oct 20, 2008
I was there when the young Polish man lost his life. The question authorities should be asking is, are we doing enough to keep tourists safe? I don't think so. How about a two-way radio at Hanakapiai Beach or some sort of lifeline? We all felt so helpless.
Alex

Biala Podlaska, Poland

#14 Oct 21, 2008
did u see how it happened? i'm his friend and am really struck by this all. i also dont feel strong enough to ask his parents any details , it'd be too much for them now.
Kimo

Honolulu, HI

#15 Oct 21, 2008
5 cents wrote:
Lingle should have all those tourist books by that author ordered destroyed before anymore tourist lives are lost. It's ashamed at how Linda doesn't care that we lose a few every year . maybe Linda does know better and let the tourists beware and aware. If they aren't that's their fault. Anytime you go out of your house is the possibility of you not getting back home alive.
HUH?! What are talking about? While Lingle looks and dresses a great deal like 'Adolph Hitler," and while she continues to decrease the number of Libraries in Hawaii and reduce the operating hours of those remaining--she hasn't started "Burning The Books" to my knowledge. If you have evidence of Lingle burning books, wearing a white hood, burning crosses on front lawns, wearing an armband with the ensignia of "SS,' we would like to know, forthwith! We suspect that she limits these activities to her basement for Friday night gatherings with her clan...
Kimo

Honolulu, HI

#16 Oct 21, 2008
Carole Moschetti wrote:
I was there when the young Polish man lost his life. The question authorities should be asking is, are we doing enough to keep tourists safe? I don't think so. How about a two-way radio at Hanakapiai Beach or some sort of lifeline? We all felt so helpless.
Carole that's an excellent idea and tourists like yourself are important to the local population in getting that message to our local government... "Hawaii," and it's government has always been "reactive," and has never been "proactive." Local citizens can do very little to make change in Hawaii, but "tourists," such as yourself can--because "tourism" is Hawaii's biggest income producer and profit center. Help us help you--the tourist(s) and please make a lot of noise, as many more will die before anyone get's around to dealing with the simple moral issues, until it becomes a "politically correct" issue(s)! Mahalo!
alice

Honolulu, HI

#17 Oct 21, 2008
Obama is our man..let us start to rebuild America.
Lenore Horowitz

United States

#20 Oct 27, 2008
I write the Kauai Underground Guide, now in its 18th edition (the original Kauai guidebook). We have never included queen's bath in our guidebook in all the editions since 1980 for reasons of safety. We also do not recommend that visitors go to Kipu Falls except as part of a licensed and escorted tour.

Guidebook writers make choices about how to advise their readers. I take my responsibility very seriously, and devote many pages in the book to safety warnings.
Carole Moschetti

San Mateo, CA

#21 Dec 8, 2008
Hey Alex, sorry it's taken so long to get with you....yes I saw it. I was with his friend as he identified the body. A very surreal event in my life. Just wondering if your friend was a happy person? There were signs everywhere telling tourist not to enter the water, and he knew this. So why is the question I ask myself over and over, did he enter the water knowing that his life would be in danger????????
Carole Moschetti

San Mateo, CA

#22 Dec 8, 2008
Alex....leave me your email address and I would be happy to talk with you.

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