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3 state Environmental Council members quit - Hawaii News

There are 61 comments on the Honolulu Star-Bulletin story from Jun 2, 2009, titled 3 state Environmental Council members quit - Hawaii News. In it, Honolulu Star-Bulletin reports that:

Three members of the state Environmental Council have quietly resigned in recent weeks, alleging the governor ignored their work.

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Hawaiidabest

San Diego, CA

#21 Jun 2, 2009
Well said!!!!!!!!!!
Lefty

Kapaa, HI

#22 Jun 2, 2009
So, the State needs a funded and staffed Environmental Council to advise the administration on how to not get sued by the Envro-mercenaries like Earth Justice. And the taxpayer foots the bill on both ends. Here's hoping the remaining 12 members of the council see fit to resign and the Governor holds firm in withholding funding and staffing in the future. She already has an Office of Environmental Quality Control.
Linda Dingleberry

Wahiawa, HI

#23 Jun 2, 2009
Duh, her royal highness Linda Dingle has always been peed off with them since her Superferry debacle.
Lefty

Kapaa, HI

#24 Jun 2, 2009
Responding to idiots wrote:
Half of you idiots responding have no idea what the Office of Environmental Quality even do. But yet you make a comment. They have very little money and hardly any staff, yet they have to review every environmental document throughout the islands. If you took the time to see what they do you would see that they look at a lot of documents. Ignorance is bliss - some of you must be very happy people.
Thanks for the education. Now that we know what they do (look at documents), it affirms the intuitive conclusion that they are a redundant, useless and unnecessary bureaucratic entity.
WannaKnow

Mililani, HI

#25 Jun 2, 2009
Walter wrote:
The council screwed up the Superferry issue after the fact. They inserted themselves in issues when they had no business taking positions. Gary Hooser used them to oppose Superferry and they fell for it. My feeling is they are part of the problem, not part of the solution. So submit your letters of resignation. We are better without you.
Do you know what the word "environment" means? What alleged "non-environmental" issues did they involve themselves in?
WannaKnow

Mililani, HI

#26 Jun 2, 2009
Lefty wrote:
<quoted text> Thanks for the education. Now that we know what they do (look at documents), it affirms the intuitive conclusion that they are a redundant, useless and unnecessary bureaucratic entity.
You obviously need a lot more of an education than that.
Lefty

Kapaa, HI

#27 Jun 2, 2009
WannaKnow wrote:
<quoted text>You obviously need a lot more of an education than that.
OK, since you are the only non-idiot posting here, why don't you tell us, as taxpayers, how we are getting our money's worth from this 15 member council?
How much does it cost us?
Exactly what do they do?
What is our return on investment?
Read a Book

Honolulu, HI

#28 Jun 2, 2009
Lefty wrote:
<quoted text>
OK, since you are the only non-idiot posting here, why don't you tell us, as taxpayers, how we are getting our money's worth from this 15 member council?
How much does it cost us?
Exactly what do they do?
What is our return on investment?
How dumb are you? The Council of 15 are VOLUNTEERS you idiot!!! It costs you nothing! They review the State exemption lists for projects and actions that occur within the State of Hawaii. They actually do a lot unlike others who only complain, do nothing and write hurtful comments about subjects they know NOTHING about!!!!
Lefty

Kapaa, HI

#29 Jun 2, 2009
Read a Book wrote:
<quoted text>
How dumb are you? The Council of 15 are VOLUNTEERS you idiot!!! It costs you nothing! They review the State exemption lists for projects and actions that occur within the State of Hawaii. They actually do a lot unlike others who only complain, do nothing and write hurtful comments about subjects they know NOTHING about!!!!
I believe the article mentioned the need for funding and staffing. That hardly costs nothing. But I guess all I am going to hear from you is name calling instead of coherent arguments, so forgive me if I disengage. I appreciate a good debate, but matching wits with an unarmed opponent is no challenge.
whateva

Honolulu, HI

#30 Jun 2, 2009
This article was not about Kealoha and her OEQC staff, it was about 3 council members. As for Superferry, they never expressed an opinion on anything in advance that could have been used by Superferry to help avoid later problems. They only spoke up after the fact when Gary Hooser drug them into the politicized issue by that point. Geez...let the 3 individuals that do not want to do their jobs leave. Gov Lingle will find 3 more that do.
alice

Kahului, HI

#31 Jun 2, 2009
another Lingle fiasco
djs

Honolulu, HI

#32 Jun 2, 2009
Read a Book wrote:
<quoted text>
How dumb are you? The Council of 15 are VOLUNTEERS you idiot!!! It costs you nothing! They review the State exemption lists for projects and actions that occur within the State of Hawaii. They actually do a lot unlike others who only complain, do nothing and write hurtful comments about subjects they know NOTHING about!!!!
Republicans always have a strong opinion about subjects they know nothing about. Too bad we can't harness all the wind they generate - we wouldn't need HECO.
Lefty

Kapaa, HI

#33 Jun 2, 2009
djs wrote:
<quoted text>
Republicans always have a strong opinion about subjects they know nothing about. Too bad we can't harness all the wind they generate - we wouldn't need HECO.
Got anything coherent to add or are you just jumping on the name calling bandwagon?
Aku head

Haiku, HI

#34 Jun 3, 2009
Linda Dingleberry wrote:
Duh, her royal highness Linda **** has always been peed off with them since her Superferry debacle.
Yup.

So, her revenge was to 'starve' OUR environmental committee to death. What a petty, nasty little insect she is.

Can't wait to vote in Abercrombie. Lingle is going out in flames (just like her buddy Dubya!)
Grinchie

United States

#35 Jun 3, 2009
A pure example of Lingle drowning Government in the Bathtub.

How long can Hawaii survive the corruption, abuse of power, and neglect of the currect Lingle administration?

I'm just happy that all the inside dirty tricks used by the Republicans are coming to light so people can see how messed up our system really is.
Grinchie

United States

#36 Jun 3, 2009
Lefty wrote:
<quoted text> Thanks for the education. Now that we know what they do (look at documents), it affirms the intuitive conclusion that they are a redundant, useless and unnecessary bureaucratic entity.
Especially when they contradict the Orders issued by Lingle from above!

I'm sure that you'd be quite comfortable throwing the law and your ethics out the door to remain an inert piece of furniture in a do nothing position, but it's clear that these people reviewed the law which was very clear regarding the need for and EIS, and suggested that it be done.

Now that we see how ethical and fair people are put under pressure - legally, by an angry Governor witholding funds, I think a lot more people are going to get the picture that people that control the money can direct policy in any direction they so choose.

This is a tiny glimpse into the huge morass of control of Government, Comittees, Judges, and executives both in and out of Government.

Lingle just happens to exemplify the fraud because of the Arrogance and Stupidity of her decisions regarding the Superferry, which was a giveaway to John F. Lehman and his Military Industrial complex, as well as placating the U.S. Military by providing cover for their alternate means to transporting the Stryker to the Big Island and back on our dime.

Now that we see the Military moving ahead with a "Private Airstrip of Their Own" at Keahole on the Big Island, we now know that the Superferry is truly dead, and the Military has to figure out a way to trasnport these 20 ton behemoths via Military cargo in C-17's.

When I was younger, I remember seing B-52's performing touch and go landings all day in Atwater, CA. Those runwyas and Tarmacs lie dormant. 2.5 mile runways just sitting there, while California goes bankrupt.

This is an example of the rewards Hawaii will recieve when they sell their soul and use of their lands to the Military for money that is not backed up by anything of value, and depends on future conflict to ever have a chance of providing a Return on Investment (ROI)

More abandoned and polluted lands when the Military funding disappears overnight.
Lefty

Kapaa, HI

#37 Jun 3, 2009
Grinchie wrote:
<quoted text>
Especially when they contradict the Orders issued by Lingle from above!
I'm sure that you'd be quite comfortable throwing the law and your ethics out the door to remain an inert piece of furniture in a do nothing position, but it's clear that these people reviewed the law which was very clear regarding the need for and EIS, and suggested that it be done.
Now that we see how ethical and fair people are put under pressure - legally, by an angry Governor witholding funds, I think a lot more people are going to get the picture that people that control the money can direct policy in any direction they so choose.
This is a tiny glimpse into the huge morass of control of Government, Comittees, Judges, and executives both in and out of Government.
Lingle just happens to exemplify the fraud because of the Arrogance and Stupidity of her decisions regarding the Superferry, which was a giveaway to John F. Lehman and his Military Industrial complex, as well as placating the U.S. Military by providing cover for their alternate means to transporting the Stryker to the Big Island and back on our dime.
Now that we see the Military moving ahead with a "Private Airstrip of Their Own" at Keahole on the Big Island, we now know that the Superferry is truly dead, and the Military has to figure out a way to trasnport these 20 ton behemoths via Military cargo in C-17's.
When I was younger, I remember seing B-52's performing touch and go landings all day in Atwater, CA. Those runwyas and Tarmacs lie dormant. 2.5 mile runways just sitting there, while California goes bankrupt.
This is an example of the rewards Hawaii will recieve when they sell their soul and use of their lands to the Military for money that is not backed up by anything of value, and depends on future conflict to ever have a chance of providing a Return on Investment (ROI)
More abandoned and polluted lands when the Military funding disappears overnight.
The governor, as the elected representative of the people, is fully within the scope of her responsibilities to direct policy through the expenditure of public funds. She bears the ultimate accountability to the electorate, not a bunch of faceless bureaucrats. As for the rest of your rant goes, try getting back on your medication.
Grinchie

United States

#38 Jun 3, 2009
Lefty wrote:
<quoted text> The governor, as the elected representative of the people, is fully within the scope of her responsibilities to direct policy through the expenditure of public funds. She bears the ultimate accountability to the electorate, not a bunch of faceless bureaucrats. As for the rest of your rant goes, try getting back on your medication.
Your right.. Maybe we should elect her Queen of the Hawaiian Kingdom of Lingle.

Allocating budget is one thing. Exerting political pressure by witholding funds and resources is another. You may recall that Alberto Gonzales was forced to resign over a similar breach of office.

I think Sarah Palin is in the same boat these days, forced to create a charity to help pay for her outrageous legal fee's stemming from her abuse of power.

It's only a matter of time before the Hounds of Hell come sniffing around for Lingle.
Lefty

Kapaa, HI

#39 Jun 3, 2009
Grinchie wrote:
<quoted text>
Your right.. Maybe we should elect her Queen of the Hawaiian Kingdom of Lingle.
Allocating budget is one thing. Exerting political pressure by witholding funds and resources is another. You may recall that Alberto Gonzales was forced to resign over a similar breach of office.
I think Sarah Palin is in the same boat these days, forced to create a charity to help pay for her outrageous legal fee's stemming from her abuse of power.
It's only a matter of time before the Hounds of Hell come sniffing around for Lingle.
Well the hounds better hurry up because 2010 is just around the corner. I don't think Aiona has much chance at this point since the machine (democratic party + unions) is already on a war footing. If Abercrombie, the crown prince of pork, is elected, you'll get a real lesson on how the power of the purse strings can dictate policy.
WannaKnow FoundOut

Mililani, HI

#40 Jun 3, 2009
Lefty wrote:
<quoted text> I believe the article mentioned the need for funding and staffing. That hardly costs nothing. But I guess all I am going to hear from you is name calling instead of coherent arguments, so forgive me if I disengage. I appreciate a good debate, but matching wits with an unarmed opponent is no challenge.
ROFLMAO! "Read a Book" made you look like a total idiot. Ooh, that's gotta hurt. I actually felt sorry for you. "Forgive me if I disengage"?? LOL. I can just see you holding up the little white flag as they wheel you off on the stretcher.

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