Alaska Air to service Oakland - Business

Alaska Airlines, which has been making inroads into the Hawaii market since initiating service in December 2007, is adding Oakland to its list of destination cities. Full Story
Airline Consultant

United States

#1 May 7, 2009
Amazing how Alaska code shared with Hawaiian to get their foot in the door then turns to attack Hawaiian's business on every front. The state should tax them heavily as these increased flights attempt to do nothing but take local jobs.
willie

Farmington, MI

#2 May 7, 2009
Airline Consultant wrote:
Amazing how Alaska code shared with Hawaiian to get their foot in the door then turns to attack Hawaiian's business on every front. The state should tax them heavily as these increased flights attempt to do nothing but take local jobs.
Is that your answer to everything, tax them or give them tax breaks? How about they survive or die with out any help or interferencae from Uncle Sam....better still, how about just nationalize everything then Uncle Sam will be in total control.
surfer dude honolulu

Lake Oswego, OR

#3 May 7, 2009
Airline Consultant wrote:
Amazing how Alaska code shared with Hawaiian to get their foot in the door then turns to attack Hawaiian's business on every front. The state should tax them heavily as these increased flights attempt to do nothing but take local jobs.
How about these increased flights will add more seats from the mainland and help fill the void that Aloha and ATA left. Instead of taking local jobs, they will add local jobs with increased visitors. Fares might actually go down. Hawaiian has had a "lock" on the Oakland route---time for a little competition.
willie

Farmington, MI

#4 May 7, 2009
"these increased flights attempt to do nothing but take local jobs"

Maybe you can explain this to me. If a passenger is flying from Oakland to Honolulu they still require someone to service the plane, handle the baggage, run the ticket counter etc...does not matter what airline they use so exactly WHAT local jobs will suffer. Seems like this will create more not get rid of any.
etops

Oklahoma City, OK

#5 May 7, 2009
Airline Consultant wrote:
Amazing how Alaska code shared with Hawaiian to get their foot in the door then turns to attack Hawaiian's business on every front. The state should tax them heavily as these increased flights attempt to do nothing but take local jobs.
Sounds like you believe tax = punishment. Shame on you!
Tsarbomba

Cambridge, MA

#6 May 7, 2009
willie wrote:
"these increased flights attempt to do nothing but take local jobs"
Maybe you can explain this to me. If a passenger is flying from Oakland to Honolulu they still require someone to service the plane, handle the baggage, run the ticket counter etc...does not matter what airline they use so exactly WHAT local jobs will suffer. Seems like this will create more not get rid of any.
The angle I see what AC was attempting to get at is this scenario. Alaska competing with Hawaiian in the Oakland - Honolulu market may in turn stifle Hawaiian's potential to expand to two daily flights or more out of Oakland. In turn, this may affect the number of planes Hawaiian will have which affects the number of pilots needed, the number of flight attendants, the number of Hawaii based mechanics.

“Giddy up”

Since: Apr 07

Aiea, HI

#7 May 7, 2009
Airline Consultant wrote:
Amazing how Alaska code shared with Hawaiian to get their foot in the door then turns to attack Hawaiian's business on every front. The state should tax them heavily as these increased flights attempt to do nothing but take local jobs.
Let someone ramble enough, and they eventually "Step in it".
The complete idiot package.
bad dog

Ewa Beach, HI

#8 May 7, 2009
hawaiian airlines has been bending customers over since aloha went kaput. good for alaska airlines. they are MUCH more customer friendly. thanks mokulele....
Big Kahuna

San Ramon, CA

#9 May 7, 2009
Airline Consultant wrote:
Amazing how Alaska code shared with Hawaiian to get their foot in the door then turns to attack Hawaiian's business on every front. The state should tax them heavily as these increased flights attempt to do nothing but take local jobs.
Get a life.I did not see Hawaiian taking up the slack at Oakland when Aloha and ATA went bust.The one flight aday from Oakland to Honolulu does nothing for the people.Atleast Alaska can see the needs of the people in the bay area.
Hmm

United States

#10 May 7, 2009
To be fair, Hawaiian flies the larger 767s vs Alaska's 737s. Don't think the pax load from Oakland to Kahului or Kona works in their favor. Think HA's fleet is pretty much fully used at the moment too. They also service the Bay Area from SF, SJ, and Sac.

Since: Oct 08

Hayward, CA

#11 May 7, 2009
When ATA and Aloha left Oakland, a total of about 1000 passenger seats were removed, Hawaiian Air came in with 240? Do the math. Right, Hawaiian Air was the savior or were they just taking advantage of a busniess opportunity.

There is a market in the East Bay of Northern Califonria, especially the lucrative Contra Costa and Alameda Counties where people who vacation regularly in Hawaii will enjoy Alaska filling the void from Oakland.

Everybody thinks local carriers like Hawaiian fly to the mainland to service the people of Hawaii... wrong! Traffic moves west to east bringing people to support tourism in Hawaii. The fact that Alaska is flying to Maui and Kona only proves a point, people want to fly direct and having to go through Oakland saves people time. What does Hawaiian offer, connections through Honolulu? The only other carrier that flys direct is United and that's through San Francisco which is across the bay or a connection out of Los Angeles.

Once the economy picks up, competition will return. As far as Alaska stabbing Hawaiian in the back with the code sharing of routes? Who went to United Airlines after Aloha went bankrupt? Hawaiian immediately went to United to create a code sharing agreement... who's shafting who?

The best thing for Hawaii is to increase the number of flights into the islands. With Alaska coming into the islands, it will also stregthen Mokulele ... guess who has agreements with Alaska? Yes, Mokulele!!!
Big Kahuna

San Ramon, CA

#12 May 7, 2009
Hmm wrote:
To be fair, Hawaiian flies the larger 767s vs Alaska's 737s. Don't think the pax load from Oakland to Kahului or Kona works in their favor. Think HA's fleet is pretty much fully used at the moment too. They also service the Bay Area from SF, SJ, and Sac.
Who wants to fly out of San Francisco or San Jose when you live with in 25 miles of the Oakland Airport and parking is much better.
Hmm

United States

#13 May 7, 2009
Big Kahuna wrote:
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Who wants to fly out of San Francisco or San Jose when you live with in 25 miles of the Oakland Airport and parking is much better.
Well, I'm sure for those that live closer to SF or SJ would prefer those choices. I'm just trying to point out that Hawaiian may only have one daily flight out of Oakland because they have their flights out of the Bay Area spread out.
WebTraveler

Portland, OR

#14 May 9, 2009
Alaska is filling a void plain and simple. Hawaiian's big planes are good for some things, but on some routes it is better to use the smaller planes. Several years ago I understood that Hawaiian was in the name to absorb National Airlines out of Las Vegas - for the smaller 757 planes. They never did and well, they still fly the big planes.....it works in some cases and works against them in others.
NorthShore flyer

Honolulu, HI

#15 May 9, 2009
It's called competition and there is plenty of room for both. Simple fact is, while Hawaiian is still the premier airline to Hawaii and obviously the 767 is much more comfortable than a 737 (and lower seat mile costs too), Alaska is a very good airline. They are helping stimulate the market and provide service to Hawaii that is very much needed. Hawaiian and Alaska are both providing a much better product than UAL,AMR, CO, or DAL.

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