Maui legislator has entrapped himself...

Maui legislator has entrapped himself in online sex issue - Edi...

There are 39 comments on the Honolulu Star-Bulletin story from Apr 9, 2009, titled Maui legislator has entrapped himself in online sex issue - Edi.... In it, Honolulu Star-Bulletin reports that:

A legislator's reasoning in asking for leniency in the sentencing of a friend convicted of sexually soliciting a 14-year-old girl should give pause to his Maui constituents.

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Manapua Belly

AOL

#22 Apr 10, 2009
Open mouth, insert foot!!!!!!!! Typical.
Rufus

Honolulu, HI

#23 Apr 10, 2009
Bertram's done, he can kiss his political future good bye. Defending these "p's" in court is just plain nuts no matter how well you know the "dud" dude, he did the crime now he gotta pay. Sting or not, he said he did it before. just imagine if it was your child who was the victim, then what. LOCK EM UP!!!
Jim Campbell

Duluth, MN

#24 Apr 10, 2009
I spent 15 years as a District Court Judge in Minnesota, and have never seen a "cured" pedophile. I suspect that if I had 30 years of experience, I would say the same thing. These predators need to be committed to a psychiatric unit for life. Youngsters are naturally curious about sexual issues, and there will always be predators out there to exploit that curiousity, often with a lethal outcome.
3keys

Lawai, HI

#25 Apr 10, 2009
Rep Bertram needs to go. Maui, you're messed up seriously if you reelect him next year.
hilo calling

Oakland, CA

#26 Apr 10, 2009
if you believe as i do , that our children are our future and our most important resource then the prevention of even one case such as this one is worth the cost.

rep bertram is un fit for office, wake up maui.
Some-tings gotta give

Honolulu, HI

#27 Apr 10, 2009
Brilliant responses y'all. Can we move on to a "higher plane" of consciousness in regard to humanity and not rape and rob and kill and destroy the Earth? I'm not even a philosopher, but things are getting way out of hand nowadays. Kill/beat a cop, kill/molest a kid, kill/knockout a wife, kill/abuse a dog. NUFF AWREADY! MAHALO! ALOHA!

Since: Aug 08

Honolulu, HI

#28 Apr 10, 2009
The individual Bertram is supporting went to Maui Mall, looking for a 14 year old girl; one who this individual had cyber-sex with. Evidently, this predator is suspected in at least one other case. Plus, the individual in question is undergoing 'therapy' to deal with his 'problem'. So, the predator has effectively admitted his guilt. Had he not been 'caught' he would be online now looking for more victims. If the 'sting' is illegal, the entire case will be thrown out of court. For now, it is legal and law enforcement officials have every right to set these stings up to protect minors from predators. Rep. Bertram's inarticulate defense of this predator and criticism of the law make it essential that he resign immediately.
Tami

AOL

#29 Apr 10, 2009
Shame on us for electing him.
Sad

Kapaa, HI

#30 Apr 10, 2009
I'd still vote for him over a fricken' cop any day.
Dun HY

Kapolei, HI

#31 Apr 10, 2009
What is our society turning to? Do we really want criminals making laws? How stupid can the constituents on Maui be to vote for a joker like "Bertam"? It is too bad he cannot be impeached. I believe if he should be found guilty after appearing for his charges in Court, he should be incarcirated with other criminals. This pervert is a danger to our society. It is very possible he has done this type of offense before and he had gotten away with it. It is not strange that he should have a friend with similar interest?
Suzanne

Fort Smith, AR

#32 Apr 14, 2009
State Representative Joe Bertram is absolutely correct in stating that these internet sting operations are “imaginary” crimes!
I am the mother of a young man arrested in an internet sting operation in 2006. He had just returned from a tour in Iraq with the US Army. A cop came into my son’s bedroom via the internet and seduced him with words until he finally convinced him to turn on his webcam. The cop told my son that he was a 14 year old cheerleader who was turning 15 soon. She/He said he had many cheerleader friends that wanted to have an orgy. Long story short my son was charged with 2 counts of Computer Pornography and Child Exploitation. He received 2-20 year concurrent sentences with 2 to serve in confinement. He was in prison for 19 months and now has 18 years of probation. THERE IS NO CHILD!
My son was not afforded the opportunity to “face his accuser” as the Bill of Rights states we all may do when arrested. There is no victim – there is no truth! Truth and Justice must go hand-in-hand in a democracy. The Bible states that it is against God’s law to make a man stumble and fall.(Romans 14:13) The only victim here is my son and his family who after $20,000 and 20,000 tears later are still paying fines and probation costs and endure spontaneous visits from the police, probation officers and task force officers whenever they wish.
Teenagers will always have sex and 10 years ago the age of consent in the state where he was arrested was 14. Review these statistics:
Elvis (or the “King” as he is so commonly referred to by his fans) began a serious relationship with a 14 year old when he was 24. Linda Blair was 15 when she moved in with 25 year old Rick Springfield. Melanie Griffith was 14 when she began dating 22 year old Don Johnson. Sixteen year old Cher had a relationship with 25 year old Warren Beatty. Did any of these individuals do prison time? NO! And none of them are on the Registry.
Think about it!!!
Consensual sex should not be against the law. There is a huge difference between this and molestation and we have lumped them all together. I pray that someday we can straighten all of this HUGE mess out!
alice

Pahoa, HI

#33 Apr 14, 2009
Jim Campbell wrote:
I spent 15 years as a District Court Judge in Minnesota, and have never seen a "cured" pedophile. I suspect that if I had 30 years of experience, I would say the same thing. These predators need to be committed to a psychiatric unit for life. Youngsters are naturally curious about sexual issues, and there will always be predators out there to exploit that curiousity, often with a lethal outcome.
true..I was contacted by many gentlemen when I was 14 in ND. Most were very polite
oggwiz

United States

#34 Apr 16, 2009
aloha enlightened citizens off south Maui congrats on
your future election to replace Mr. "Imaginery" Bertram.
Your community deserves so much more.
aloha@ mahalo.
Geewhiz

Honolulu, HI

#35 Apr 16, 2009
Geewhiz for all those who think that this enticement was just imaginary and illegal.
Just imagine if that was your child meeting that adult online and trying to hook up with that adult.
If you find nothing wrong with that then you might be perverted yourself.
Translator

Kailua Kona, HI

#36 Apr 16, 2009
Suzanne wrote:
State Representative Joe Bertram is absolutely correct in stating that these internet sting operations are “imaginary” crimes!
I am the mother of a young man arrested in an internet sting operation in 2006. He had just returned from a tour in Iraq with the US Army. A cop came into my son’s bedroom via the internet and seduced him with words until he finally convinced him to turn on his webcam. The cop told my son that he was a 14 year old cheerleader who was turning 15 soon. She/He said he had many cheerleader friends that wanted to have an orgy. Long story short my son was charged with 2 counts of Computer Pornography and Child Exploitation. He received 2-20 year concurrent sentences with 2 to serve in confinement. He was in prison for 19 months and now has 18 years of probation. THERE IS NO CHILD!
My son was not afforded the opportunity to “face his accuser” as the Bill of Rights states we all may do when arrested. There is no victim – there is no truth! Truth and Justice must go hand-in-hand in a democracy. The Bible states that it is against God’s law to make a man stumble and fall.(Romans 14:13) The only victim here is my son and his family who after $20,000 and 20,000 tears later are still paying fines and probation costs and endure spontaneous visits from the police, probation officers and task force officers whenever they wish.
Teenagers will always have sex and 10 years ago the age of consent in the state where he was arrested was 14. Review these statistics:
Elvis (or the “King” as he is so commonly referred to by his fans) began a serious relationship with a 14 year old when he was 24. Linda Blair was 15 when she moved in with 25 year old Rick Springfield. Melanie Griffith was 14 when she began dating 22 year old Don Johnson. Sixteen year old Cher had a relationship with 25 year old Warren Beatty. Did any of these individuals do prison time? NO! And none of them are on the Registry.
Think about it!!!
Consensual sex should not be against the law. There is a huge difference between this and molestation and we have lumped them all together. I pray that someday we can straighten all of this HUGE mess out!
An opinion posted from Arkansas. Interesting.
Translator

Kailua Kona, HI

#37 Apr 16, 2009
ps Just for future ref, maybe don't say "straighten" and "huge" in the same sentence.
Translator

Kailua Kona, HI

#38 Apr 16, 2009
Dun HY wrote:
What is our society turning to? Do we really want criminals making laws? How stupid can the constituents on Maui be to vote for a joker like "Bertam"? It is too bad he cannot be impeached. I believe if he should be found guilty after appearing for his charges in Court, he should be incarcirated with other criminals. This pervert is a danger to our society. It is very possible he has done this type of offense before and he had gotten away with it. It is not strange that he should have a friend with similar interest?
Nawww. Joe don't like girls.
oggwiz

Whittier, CA

#39 Apr 16, 2009
Translator wrote:
<quoted text>Nawww. Joe don't like girls.
joe uses imagination when it suits him
Manapua Belly

AOL

#40 Apr 16, 2009
Open mouth, insert foot!!!!!!!! Typical idiot!!!!!!!!

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