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jnkekoa

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Hawaiian Republican wrote:
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Not so fast, Mr. Cummings.
The U.S. National Archives has a different version.
http://tinyurl.com/yfn86el
Also, let's be clear on something: The President of the United States CANNOT decide to annex land on his own. That is something the U.S. Congress must agree on FIRST!!
But the Congress did not pass a treaty, merely a joint resolution. So, if you want to be technically accurate, Hawaii is merely de facto and not de jure a part of the US.
And throw in the UN non-selfgoverning territory issues, and boy, letting anyone here a year vote in what is supposed to be an indigenous expression of self-determination doesn't pass the smell test.
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We love our Obama
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kyle,

i just read more closely where you're from, you're not even from hawaii and you're commenting on our political situation? fine. you're entitled. your entitlement also allows you to look like a dumas (nice for dumbass). do you even know what kind of budget deficit the state is facing? do you know how much our governor, who said when elected she is going to be the education governor, told the education department to trim over the next two years? opine, but also be informed.
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Captain Cookie wrote:
"Hawaiians never murdered innocent Native Americans, Puerto Ricans, Filipinos and Cubans."
That's right, Eric - but only because they didn't have the opportunity. King Kamehameha was content to murder thousands of fellow Native Hawaiians when he invaded and conquered Maui, Molokai, Lanai and Oahu. I guess that wasn't a case of "annexation" in your eyes. Maybe it was "liberation."
Fortunately for some people, Oahu was as far as Kamehameha got because he couldn't transport his army all the way to Kauai. I'm sure he would gladly have attacked and killed Puerto Ricans. Filipinos and Cubans if only he could have reached their homelands. You see, Eric, despite all the hoopla over Hokulea, the truth is that the Hawaiians of Kamehameha's time were not incredible navigators who roamed the vast Pacific ocean at will. They could barely get from one island to another. So Hawaiians didn't refrain from murdering all the people you name because Hawaiians were somehow more noble and humanitarian. Hawaiians couldn't murder anyone else because they were living in the stone age and were trapped on a small group of islands in the middle of the Pacific.
I'm sorry to have to break the news to you Eric but sooner or later Hawaii would have been annexed by one foreign power or another. I'm sure most of us are thankful that it was the United States and not some other colonial power like Portugal, France, Russia or Japan. The Americans and other Westerners brought all sorts of decidedly civilized institutions to Hawaii. Like the right to vote, freedom of religion, freedom of speech, a written language, gender equality and a modern legal system. Not to mention such niceties as electricity and plumbing. As much as you complain, Eric, I doubt you would want to go back in time 300 years and live in Hawaii the way it was before Western contact.
Gettysburg;51,112 killed,Chickamauga; 36,624 killed,Chancellorsville;30,099 killed, Spotsylvania;30.099 killed,Bull Run;25,251 killed, Antietam;23,134 killed, Battle of the Wilderness; 28,666 killed,Stone's River;24,645 killed, Shiloh;23,741 killed. This your U.S. history. Be careful who you call a "murderer"

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alice wrote:
We love our Obama
true bot OHA is illegal
Short Round

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Alan Cummings wrote:
Eric is 100% spot on. That spineless coward McKinley annexed Hawaii at the behest of Big Business(Sanford Dole and his friends). Sound Familiar? Yes, the U.s. did get a Naval Base at Pearl Harbor, but if Dole hadn't wanted the land for himself, what do you think would have happened? Dole was one of the big money cruds that put McKinley in office. This sort of crap has been going on for almost 200 years in our country. Don't you find it a BIT strange that Sanford Dole was the first territorial governor of Hawaii?
Hawaiian Republican wrote:
Not so fast, Mr. Cummings.
The U.S. National Archives has a different version.
http://tinyurl.com/yfn86el
Also, let's be clear on something: The President of the United States CANNOT decide to annex land on his own. That is something the U.S. Congress must agree on FIRST!!
In attempting to employ reason, logic, a knowledge of civics and historical fact to communicate with this fellow, you may find yourself shoveling sand against the tide as he is impervious to anything other than his own exalted opinion of himself and the rich swirling stew of emotion in which he bathes.

Nevertheless, thanks for giving it the old college try.
Short Round

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alice wrote:
We love our Obama
Oh dear? Whatever will you do if a trial early next year confirms that the current occupant of the White House is ... oh golly, how to put this as delicately as possible so as not to over stimulate you?...not actually QUALIFIED to occupy the White House.

Herewith:
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COURT ORDER FINALIZES SCHEDULE FOR TRIAL!
by John Charlton

(Oct. 7, 2009)- Today was published the Court order resulting from the Oct. 5th hearing in Barnett vs. Obama, issued by federal judge, David O. Carter, in the Southern Division of California. The order, reads as follows:

"On September 8, 2009, the Court previously set tentative case management dates. The Court now orders those dates be made final.
Case Management dates are as follows:
Motion for Summary Judgment Hearing - December 7, 2009, at 8:30 a.m.
File Motion for Summary Judgment - November 16, 2009
Opposition to Motion for Summary Judgment - November 26, 2009
Reply to Motion for Summary Judgment - November 30, 2009
Final Pretrial Conference - January 11, 2010, at 8:30 a.m. 
Jury Trial - January 26, 2010, at 8:30 a.m.  "

The implication of the Court's order finalizing the dates is obvious:  you do not finalize dates unless there will be a trial.  And there would not be a trial, unless the Motion to Dismiss requested by the Defense was in whole or in part DENIED!
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Wednesday, October 7, 2009
Judge Confirms Eligibility Trial to Proceed
 
"I just received a call from Orly Taitz, my attorney in the case seeking proof of Obama's eligibility for the Office of President of the United States. Judge Carter has released a statement declaring that the dates he set for the hearing and trial on the eligibility issue are confirmed, and it will move forward as scheduled. Apparently he was not swayed by the Obama lawyer's arguments."
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Bush hated America. Obama loves us.
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alice wrote:
Bush hated America. Obama loves us.
Bass-Akwards as usual, Alice.
BozoNemesis

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Fisherman wrote:
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At risk of hearing it from Lana, you left out Kaho'olawe. Hawaiians killed as many other Hawaiians as possible there, and lit it on fire!
Poor Kaho'olawe. Humans have always seemed set on trying to destroy it. I was over there last year, and there are still a LOT of "ordinances", even on the surface.
Weekly, if not daily, someone in here says something like, "send the homeless to Kaho'olawe", or "make it into another Vegas", or "sent the convicts to Kaho'olawe". I hope that attitude changes someday.
What's wrong with putting convicts on Kaho'olawe? They could get lots and lots of sunshine, they could grow their own eats or starve, they couldn't swim to Maui to escape because of the current and the sharks, the amount of chain link fence and razor wire required would be minimal, and if they broke out of their "tent city" and stepped on some unexploded ordnance that did finally explode, who cares...one less criminal for the taxpayers to pay for incarceration. It's a win, win, win situation!'Nuff said...
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Short Round wrote:
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Oh dear? Whatever will you do if a trial early next year confirms that the current occupant of the White House is ... oh golly, how to put this as delicately as possible so as not to over stimulate you?...not actually QUALIFIED to occupy the White House.
Herewith:
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COURT ORDER FINALIZES SCHEDULE FOR TRIAL!
by John Charlton
(Oct. 7, 2009)- Today was published the Court order resulting from the Oct. 5th hearing in Barnett vs. Obama, issued by federal judge, David O. Carter, in the Southern Division of California. The order, reads as follows:
"On September 8, 2009, the Court previously set tentative case management dates. The Court now orders those dates be made final.
Case Management dates are as follows:
Motion for Summary Judgment Hearing - December 7, 2009, at 8:30 a.m.
File Motion for Summary Judgment - November 16, 2009
Opposition to Motion for Summary Judgment - November 26, 2009
Reply to Motion for Summary Judgment - November 30, 2009
Final Pretrial Conference - January 11, 2010, at 8:30 a.m. 
Jury Trial - January 26, 2010, at 8:30 a.m.  "
The implication of the Court's order finalizing the dates is obvious:  you do not finalize dates unless there will be a trial.  And there would not be a trial, unless the Motion to Dismiss requested by the Defense was in whole or in part DENIED!
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Wednesday, October 7, 2009
Judge Confirms Eligibility Trial to Proceed
 
"I just received a call from Orly Taitz, my attorney in the case seeking proof of Obama's eligibility for the Office of President of the United States. Judge Carter has released a statement declaring that the dates he set for the hearing and trial on the eligibility issue are confirmed, and it will move forward as scheduled. Apparently he was not swayed by the Obama lawyer's arguments."
I don't know if you can find it, but the headlines of a Newspaper, The Standard Ltd., used to be known as the East Standard, has a very interesting headline in the Sunday Edition date June 27, 2004. Before all this was even an issue.
The archive number is 20040627142700, but hard to get to. I can't hyperlink it here.
Interesting stuff. Kenyan newspaper it was written by the AP.
Yeah

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Oct 21, 2009
 
Short Round wrote:
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Oh dear? Whatever will you do if a trial early next year confirms that the current occupant of the White House is ... oh golly, how to put this as delicately as possible so as not to over stimulate you?...not actually QUALIFIED to occupy the White House.
Herewith:
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COURT ORDER FINALIZES SCHEDULE FOR TRIAL!
by John Charlton
(Oct. 7, 2009)- Today was published the Court order resulting from the Oct. 5th hearing in Barnett vs. Obama, issued by federal judge, David O. Carter, in the Southern Division of California. The order, reads as follows:
"On September 8, 2009, the Court previously set tentative case management dates. The Court now orders those dates be made final.
Case Management dates are as follows:
Motion for Summary Judgment Hearing - December 7, 2009, at 8:30 a.m.
File Motion for Summary Judgment - November 16, 2009
Opposition to Motion for Summary Judgment - November 26, 2009
Reply to Motion for Summary Judgment - November 30, 2009
Final Pretrial Conference - January 11, 2010, at 8:30 a.m. 
Jury Trial - January 26, 2010, at 8:30 a.m.  "
The implication of the Court's order finalizing the dates is obvious:  you do not finalize dates unless there will be a trial.  And there would not be a trial, unless the Motion to Dismiss requested by the Defense was in whole or in part DENIED!
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Wednesday, October 7, 2009
Judge Confirms Eligibility Trial to Proceed
 
"I just received a call from Orly Taitz, my attorney in the case seeking proof of Obama's eligibility for the Office of President of the United States. Judge Carter has released a statement declaring that the dates he set for the hearing and trial on the eligibility issue are confirmed, and it will move forward as scheduled. Apparently he was not swayed by the Obama lawyer's arguments."
lol! She's just your type... "delusional" as the judge puts it. No wonder you assimilate to her so well.

http://my.auburnjournal.com/detail/132208.htm...
10/13/09 06:19 PM
Birthers Dealt Latest Blow.
U.S. District Judge Clay Land has dismissed the latest in a string of lawsuits filed by "Birther" leader Orly Taitz.

The flamboyant Taitz has been fined for "wasting the judicial resources" of the Middle District of Georgia with her "frivolous and sanctionable conduct," after Taitz filed yet another lawsuit demanding that President Obama prove his US citizenship.

Judge Land wrote that Taitz's behavior in this case "borders on delusional" and fined her $20,000.00 for misconduct...."
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Bass-Akwards as usual, Alice.
Blogging again at the expense of Hawaiian taxpayers.

Keep up the disgraceful work ethic there teach.
Joe The Vice President

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Oct 21, 2009
 
Dear Eric Poo'poo,

Thank you for voting for the Obama Administration.

We think America stinks too!
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Joe The Vice President wrote:
Dear Eric Poo'poo,
Thank you for voting for the Obama Administration.
We think America stinks too!
This can't be good for you.
Xie Xie

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A question mark at the end of would solve the problem..."Barbarian Princess ????."
Joe The Vice President

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Fisherman wrote:
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This can't be good for you.
We will make up for it by bringing the Olympics to Hawaii in 2016!
tita inside

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Hawaiian Republican-Pensacola Fl. Pres. cannot decide to annex? Correct. Congress must agree FIRST? Wrong! The people that are governed must agree FIRST. That meant Hawaiian Kingdom citizens. Were they asked? No-even up to present day. We still haven't had a say or vote. Joint Resolution? What says the constitution about aquiring "foreign" countries? Joint Resolution is an internal/domestic "resolution". Then came the FAKE DEMOCRACY then the FAKE STATE. Domination was the game and american intrests was the name. Cherry picking of the facts that you twist and promote will not work.
Short Round-couldn't have said it better myself-"good old college try" just ain't gonna work anymore. Aloha
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Captain Cookie wrote:
"Hawaiians never murdered innocent Native Americans, Puerto Ricans, Filipinos and Cubans."
That's right, Eric - but only because they didn't have the opportunity. King Kamehameha was content to murder thousands of fellow Native Hawaiians when he invaded and conquered Maui, Molokai, Lanai and Oahu. I guess that wasn't a case of "annexation" in your eyes. Maybe it was "liberation."
Fortunately for some people, Oahu was as far as Kamehameha got because he couldn't transport his army all the way to Kauai. I'm sure he would gladly have attacked and killed Puerto Ricans. Filipinos and Cubans if only he could have reached their homelands. You see, Eric, despite all the hoopla over Hokulea, the truth is that the Hawaiians of Kamehameha's time were not incredible navigators who roamed the vast Pacific ocean at will. They could barely get from one island to another. So Hawaiians didn't refrain from murdering all the people you name because Hawaiians were somehow more noble and humanitarian. Hawaiians couldn't murder anyone else because they were living in the stone age and were trapped on a small group of islands in the middle of the Pacific.
I'm sorry to have to break the news to you Eric but sooner or later Hawaii would have been annexed by one foreign power or another. I'm sure most of us are thankful that it was the United States and not some other colonial power like Portugal, France, Russia or Japan. The Americans and other Westerners brought all sorts of decidedly civilized institutions to Hawaii. Like the right to vote, freedom of religion, freedom of speech, a written language, gender equality and a modern legal system. Not to mention such niceties as electricity and plumbing. As much as you complain, Eric, I doubt you would want to go back in time 300 years and live in Hawaii the way it was before Western contact.
Go ask the Iraqi family that lost their house and 6 kids by
U.S. warplanes if they want to be americannized
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Ken Conklin wrote:
Poohina says "Historical documents never fantasize and never tell lies."
That's why I am very proud to have placed on the internet about 100 photos of the letters of recognition de jure of the Republic of Hawaii. Those 20 nations Eric mentioned who had treaties with the Kingdom -- their emperors, kings, queens, and presidents all personally signed letters at the end of 1894 giving full diplomatic recognition to the Republic of Hawaii as the rightful successor government of Hawaii. Here's a link to the photos of those letters, because "Historical documents never fantasize and never tell lies."
http://tinyurl.com/4wtwdz
Conklin is an expert at diverting from the truth.
The 20 nations were threatend by the Turpie resolution
of 1894. Basicly the Turpie resolution extorted all
the countries especialy the little countries with treaties with the Kingdom of Hawaii to back off
of the illegal annexation of the Hawaiian Kingdom or
they to would be annexed by the bully USA.
Legal documents never tell lies and never fantisize.
Go read the Turpie Resoluition of 1894 and the Newlands
resolution of 1897. Conklin and lolo americans like him try their best to hide the racists violent deeds of historical U.S. foreign policy. Over Throw by Stephen Kinzer depicts the pilau
historical events relative to american foreign policy.
Inorder to understand Hawaiian history one must read Kinzers
book and God is Red by Vine DeLoria.
Dont ever trust Conklin the gypsy american.
If I had my way Conklin and his breed would be cooked alive
in an imu next to the ulupo heiau and his flesh would be
made into laulau and sold to the philipinos.

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