Interisland shipping showdown - Business

Interisland shipping showdown - Business

There are 37 comments on the Honolulu Star-Bulletin story from Apr 28, 2009, titled Interisland shipping showdown - Business. In it, Honolulu Star-Bulletin reports that:

Young Bros. filed a motion yesterday to intervene in Pasha Hawaii's application to the state Public Utilities Commission to start interisland ocean shipping services in the state.

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Stop the Madness

Waipahu, HI

#21 Apr 28, 2009
Young Brothers is arrogant, and most of the YB employees I have experienced were rude and do not care about the customers. As for subsidizing Molokai, why? They don't want us there, why do we all continue to subsidize them?
View from Afar

Guangzhou, China

#22 Apr 28, 2009
Want to know why YB & Matson will fight to the death over Pasha?

Simple answer. Have you guessed it?

Pasha is NON-UNION.

So, now you know. How well can they compete if they don't have to pay ignorant stevedores $100,000/year?
Xie Xie

Las Vegas, NV

#23 Apr 28, 2009
YB and HEI also played with the State Moonies on the Hawaii Supreme Court to stop the SuperFerry...thats my theory!!!
boomba

United States

#24 Apr 28, 2009
WHAT wrote:
As an overburdened tax paying Hawaii citizen, I do not want to pure money into another Mainland outfit to do a wait and see approach and then they leave high and dry like the Super Ferry did. Who paying us Hawaii taxpaying citizens back for the harbor improvements MADE SPECIFICALLY FOR THE SF $44million. Did everyone forget about that? I not willing to spend anymore money for any other company who has no ties and will not pay for any improvements for them to conduct business!
Young Bros is owned by SaltChuk Resources which is a company out of Seattle. YB claiming unfair business advantage by Pasha? I think a 100+ year monopoly is about as unfair a business advantage as you can get.

Since: Oct 08

Alameda, CA

#25 Apr 28, 2009
Local Mom wrote:
Obviously ALOT of education will be needed:
1. PUC determines shipping rates. Business and their books will have to substantiate any rise and fall of pricing structure.
2. YB was not against SF, quite the contrary they could care less because that assisted them with the LCL (small shipping items). It was the Gov't and their stupidity to circumvent the LAW!
3. PUC allows YB and Matson to operate interisland if they do some at a loss and a plus. FOR THE GOOD OF ALL HAWAII. Cherry picking is not spreading out the loss that YB and Matson absorb to do interisland shipping to rural communities. Pasha is trying to do just that NOT SERVICIING ALL OF HAWAII.
4. If Pasha comes in then they should adhere to the same PUC guidelines profit and loss that the other 2 carriers have to incur due to PUC guidelines and regulation.
5. Matson and YB contribute to our local economy and communities, PASHA does not. They are non union and have no community here in Hawaii. They will be another hit and run.
6. Competition is unlikely since their shipping at best will be offered at best once a week to Maui or Kauai or Big Island and alternate because there is only 1 ship. Think the dock is crowded now try adding space for more then we'll see how grouchy and heated everyone becomes.
Interesting about the PUC and having to service all the islands. Say Pasha agrees to it... then what? Competition starts and prices drop. As far as a local company? I don't think Saltchuck Resources is local... Seattle, Hawaii? No, it's Seattle, Washington. I realize the point of being local but every company doing business in Hawaii has a responsibility to the community... Pasha wouldn't be any different but if they decide to play all their cards, then Pasha should be allowed to join in on the game.
Fisherman

Honolulu, HI

#26 Apr 28, 2009
I just took a car down to YB on Oahu last week, all the employees were helpful and friendly. Of course the Lanai workers are great. I have also shipped through Hilo, Kahului and Molokai and the employees were always nice and professional.
The Superferry is not coming back soon, probably not at all, get over it.
LEGALIZE PAKALOLO

Clarksburg, CA

#27 Apr 28, 2009
Who cares? Let's just all get high.
HawnHist

Honolulu, HI

#28 Apr 28, 2009
Fisherman wrote:
I just took a car down to YB on Oahu last week, all the employees were helpful and friendly. Of course the Lanai workers are great. I have also shipped through Hilo, Kahului and Molokai and the employees were always nice and professional.
The Superferry is not coming back soon, probably not at all, get over it.
I wouldn't bet on that one bud...you never know. Why would a company build 2 ferries and spend all that kala?? Something is cooking...don't kiss them aloha just yet...
bradahs peace

Seattle, WA

#29 Apr 28, 2009
"Fairness as well as safety"....give me a break. YB, is like Matson Shipping, but in a smaller(interisland scale). YB believe that they serve in the best interest of Hawaii. YB, and Matson, is monopoly. Do people really believe the environment was the main issue behind the super ferry leaving? Think again - its the business competitors, w/ strong backings from the politicians that they donate to during election time. Pasha shipping would be good for the people of Hawaii. The dock workers at YB, and Matson walk around like gods around the waterfront.....its because they get PAID LIKE GODS. Safety????, there should be background checks on these people.
moder

Honolulu, HI

#30 Apr 28, 2009
Look who's whining about competition. Young Brothers needs a competitor. Pasha is merely starting out with a limited number of ports, but can expand when it is prudent from a business standpoint. That is SMART BUSUINESS, NOT CHERRY PICKING.

Pasha would bring more jobs. Pasha would also get Young Brothers to drop their rates.

YOUNG BROTHERS IS A MONOPOLY!
twocents

Kapaa, HI

#32 Apr 29, 2009
Is there a mainland company that wants to ship and refine petroleum for the State of Hawaii?
JoeLocal

Honolulu, HI

#33 Apr 29, 2009
twocents wrote:
Is there a mainland company that wants to ship and refine petroleum for the State of Hawaii?
And your point is what?
Ishidan

Buffalo, NY

#34 Apr 29, 2009
Looks like this to me-there are several runs that MUST be serviced (basically, one from Oahu to EACH of the other populated islands), but some of them are just plain a loss (Molokai, Lanai). YB has been subsidizing the losing runs with revenue from the profitable ones (Maui, Big Island). Pasha wants to get in the business-naturally, they'd run their own analysis and come up with the same answers, and so want to start service with the profitable runs. This screws YB-leaving them with the losing runs-so they whine. Of course, if Pasha succeeds, they WILL take away the subsidy cash-and YB will be forced to raise rates massively on the money-losing runs in order to make up the difference. Except the PUC won't let them do that, and the clients will call for their balls, so they'd be stuck in a death spiral of losing money.
Ishidan

Buffalo, NY

#35 Apr 29, 2009
twocents wrote:
Is there a mainland company that wants to ship and refine petroleum for the State of Hawaii?
Of course there are-Chevron and Tesoro, and their subcontracted tankers. Their refineries are out in Kapolei, and how else did you think the gasoline got from Kapolei to the other islands?
alice

Honolulu, HI

#36 Apr 29, 2009
moder wrote:
Look who's whining about competition. Young Brothers needs a competitor. Pasha is merely starting out with a limited number of ports, but can expand when it is prudent from a business standpoint. That is SMART BUSUINESS, NOT CHERRY PICKING.
Pasha would bring more jobs. Pasha would also get Young Brothers to drop their rates.
YOUNG BROTHERS IS A MONOPOLY!
true..lack of competition has always kept costs way higher than they should be in Hawaii.
manapua

San Diego, CA

#37 Apr 29, 2009
EIS? operating illegally under the supreme courts ruling?
Fisherman

Honolulu, HI

#38 Apr 29, 2009
Ishidan wrote:
Looks like this to me-there are several runs that MUST be serviced (basically, one from Oahu to EACH of the other populated islands), but some of them are just plain a loss (Molokai, Lanai). YB has been subsidizing the losing runs with revenue from the profitable ones (Maui, Big Island). Pasha wants to get in the business-naturally, they'd run their own analysis and come up with the same answers, and so want to start service with the profitable runs. This screws YB-leaving them with the losing runs-so they whine. Of course, if Pasha succeeds, they WILL take away the subsidy cash-and YB will be forced to raise rates massively on the money-losing runs in order to make up the difference. Except the PUC won't let them do that, and the clients will call for their balls, so they'd be stuck in a death spiral of losing money.
That sounds about right- and it will be extra bad for Lanai and Molokai.

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