Auditor slams state on Superferry - News

Auditor slams state on Superferry - News

There are 115 comments on the Honolulu Star-Bulletin story from Dec 18, 2008, titled Auditor slams state on Superferry - News. In it, Honolulu Star-Bulletin reports that:

NAWILIWILI, Kauai The state ignored its own long-standing policy and environmental laws when it built barges and ramps for the Hawaii Superferry, a performance audit states.

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Yeah

Mililani, HI

#108 Dec 20, 2008
Isle Republican wrote:
If the Hawaii liberals oppose the SuperFerry...you should automatically know the SuperFerry is a good thing for Hawaii.
Well let's see. Didn't they call a special session of the legislature to change the law to allow the SF to operate without the EA? And didn't Lingle also call for this?

So it's both good and bad for the same reason? You're going to have to explain this one. But don't hurt your head trying, ok? If you don't know, just say so.
Grinchie

United States

#109 Dec 20, 2008
Tsarbomba wrote:
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What exactly is plantation style barges?
But to your point, what does when YB started have to do with real concern for the environment? As I already replied earlier, if you are genuinely concerned about the spread of invasive species, the concept of grandfathered in holds no merit.
Sure, you never said the spread of invasive species would stop. So....what's the point of your stance that the ferry would transport invasive species? Since obviously it won't stop, you never said it would stop, what kind of valid argument is it to hold the ferry accountable to invasive species? I like to quote you, "Retention and comprehension is fundamental when it comes to reading."
Funny thing is, you think I'm rallying for the ferry no questions asked. But I already responded to you that I'm all for holding the ferry accountable to the SAME criteria that the other transports are held to. You, on the other hand, espouse double standards.
The truth of the matter is that the barge service is an offshoot of the Sugar Kings, supporting the subsidized cash crops of sugar, and supporting the workforce. You comprehend that? This started in the 1800's, so I tend to believe they had little thought about invasives when they were busy overthrowing the Hawaiian Monarchy. The point is the damage is done, and the system has been in place for too long to stop. If you know of a way for the Outlying islands to survive without supplies from centralized Oahu, be my guest and let us hear them.

I don't have an answer for it either.

As for invasives, I am not unaware that we have very little "Native Forest" left anywhere. It has all been tainted to some degree, but I do have issue when people can drive down a muddy rooad on the big Island, and lesss than four hours later, shed the mud onto another island, weed seeds, little fiew ant queens, mealybugs or whatever noxious invasive that they happened to drag along. The Superferry makes it much easier, and even you could possibly understand that.

If the Superferry is held accountable for strict quarantine, and following the law, then I have no problem with them. However, they have proven otherwise so far, and as far a my own crunching of the numbers goes, I see no way that they are a viable business without Government assistantce in the form of a big fat cost plus contract to ship Strykers. If that is the case, then they are tied to the decades of damages and pollution caused by the Military, and are even more evil if they tried to skip out of the Environmental Review, especially in light of the damage done to the Islands by the Military over the years.

Please let me know Are you Pro SuperFerry or Against it?, Because it seems like you don't know where you stand on this issue.
Grinchie

United States

#110 Dec 20, 2008
Isle Republican wrote:
If the Hawaii liberals oppose the SuperFerry...you should automatically know the SuperFerry is a good thing for Hawaii.
Thats right, and don't forget to wash yourself with dirt, and dry yourself with water.

For the Loud empty Barrel that you are Isle Republican, I expected you to quit while you could at least have a little dignity left. But what do you do but fall into the pit of despair by imploring everyone to not be liberal, when most of the people that are against the Superferry are split down the middle as far a party affiliation goes.

I don't have any numbers, but I know a few rational Republicans that hate Bush, loathe the Superferry, and are concerned that 8 years of rolling back accountability have damaged our future as much as I fear it has.

You so far have shown NO concern, and have been an avid cheerleader in the face of scientific fact that showed that the Bush administration Lied, Broke Laws, Violated the Constitution, and has spoiled our standing in the world.

Superferry + Lehman + Abrahamoff + Navy + Lingle + Bush = B. S.
Isle Republican

Honolulu, HI

#111 Dec 20, 2008
Yeah wrote:
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Well let's see. Didn't they call a special session of the legislature to change the law to allow the SF to operate without the EA? And didn't Lingle also call for this?
Yeah and they took forever doing it and they only did it because the vast majority of the people wanted it.

When it came to passing special legislation so the Aloha employees could keep continue to have medical coverage..I've never seen them move so fast.

Since: Jun 08

Germany

#112 Dec 21, 2008
K&#257;loak&#363;kahi; Kanaloa and P&#333; Kane wait.

Since: Jun 08

Aptos, CA

#113 Dec 21, 2008
I see punctuation drives this Topix nuts.

Kaloakukahi night yesterday; Kanaloa and Po Kane night wait.
alice

Pearl City, HI

#114 Dec 25, 2008
G The Football Fan wrote:
Higa's report again confirms that the then-director of OEQC was an incompetent moron. Her work products are flawed interpretations of the law. Good riddance!
shame on you for picking on uneducated and mentally ill people like the former director of oeqc - not everybody is an einstein like you
Noa Napoleon

Hilo, HI

#116 Dec 25, 2008
This is no isolated fiasco, but a rather common one if you are at all familiar with the way state agencies work on a day to day basis. There were several Senate investigation's that have taken place in the last two year's that had exposed what otherwise would have been business as usual, with the public in the dark on most of the details. The Super ferry just happens to be a more high profile case because several group's have been able to sue over it. Hawaii state government is corrupt to the core but too few of us are prepared to confront the problem.
Tsarbomba

Los Angeles, CA

#117 Dec 25, 2008
Grinchie wrote:
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.....If you know of a way for the Outlying islands to survive without supplies from centralized Oahu, be my guest and let us hear them...
I comprehend the origins of barge use in Hawaii just fine. But your term plantation style barges still makes no sense, plantation era barges sure, plantation style, nope. A barge is a barge.

Your point about damage being done and the system is too entrenched to change nulls your concerns about the ferry. If you are willing to accept grandfather clauses, then there really isn't any logic to environmental concerns for the ferry. The environment has shown it can recover when given the chance (think ozone hole).

I know where I perfectly stand. I think the ferry is a transport system much needed in the islands. But I also believe environmental regulation is needed. However, if current rules for YB, Aloha Cargo, cruise ships are lax, then equal status for the ferry. All the anti-ferry folks using the protection of the environment as their argument will have my support if they push for the same quarantine rules to be held for the other transports. There is little to no inspections of vehicles being shipped by barge. Ever watch one of those old AQ 737-200C planes take off with a trail of black fumes. You think that does good to the air? Is there any quarantine of tourists who step off the cruise ships? What's on the soles of their shoes? See the hypocrisy and double standards?

I have no problems with the ferry supplementing their income by transporting military vehicles if it's done right. If it's a separate non-scheduled trip in the middle of the night following proper procedures, it is fine with me. Tied to the decades of damages and pollution caused by the military? So what is your position when the ferry transported national guard equipment to Maui to help clean up floods earlier in the year? What about the countless folks who provide a service to military members and their families in the isles? The money they make from them is tainted and evil too?

What can we do about providing supplies to outer isles yet not threaten the environment? Remove the grandfather clauses and subject them to the same inspection rules. The incumbents are scared because the ferry can provide competition and remove the monopoly they've had. YB wants to increase rates by 17.9%. More than ever, the ferry is a good thing. Mistakes were made along the way. I'm for fixing the mistakes, not abolishing the ferry.
alarmclock

Honolulu, HI

#118 Dec 25, 2008
Tsarbomba wrote:
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Mistakes were made along the way. I'm for fixing the mistakes, not abolishing the ferry.
I agree. Fix the mistakes made along the way. Do the EA/EIS first, as was required by law for all new business/development in Hawaii, so we know the hazards and steps to be taken to mitigate them. Do the EA/EISA as has been required of Young Bros, cruise ships, airlines, etc for similar construction and improvements in the past. I would also support similar inspection procedures for those modes of transportation (that apply) that the ferry would be held to, however the grandfathering in of some of those older modes may make that difficult. I'm not a fan of that. Older modes, as much or more than newer ones, often need upgrading and stronger regulation and protections.
Killa Wiffa

AOL

#119 Dec 25, 2008
Sink the ferry!!!!!!!!
Grinchie

United States

#120 Dec 26, 2008
Tsarbomba wrote:
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I comprehend the origins of barge use in Hawaii just fine. But your term plantation style barges still makes no sense, plantation era barges sure, plantation style, nope. A barge is a barge.
Your point about damage being done and the system is too entrenched to change nulls your concerns about the ferry. If you are willing to accept grandfather clauses, then there really isn't any logic to environmental concerns for the ferry. The environment has shown it can recover when given the chance (think ozone hole).
I know where I perfectly stand. I think the ferry is a transport system much needed in the islands. But I also believe environmental regulation is needed. However, if current rules for YB, Aloha Cargo, cruise ships are lax, then equal status for the ferry. All the anti-ferry folks using the protection of the environment as their argument will have my support if they push for the same quarantine rules to be held for the other transports. There is little to no inspections of vehicles being shipped by barge. Ever watch one of those old AQ 737-200C planes take off with a trail of black fumes. You think that does good to the air? Is there any quarantine of tourists who step off the cruise ships? What's on the soles of their shoes? See the hypocrisy and double standards?
I have no problems with the ferry supplementing their income by transporting military vehicles if it's done right. If it's a separate non-scheduled trip in the middle of the night following proper procedures, it is fine with me. Tied to the decades of damages and pollution caused by the military? So what is your position when the ferry transported national guard equipment to Maui to help clean up floods earlier in the year? What about the countless folks who provide a service to military members and their families in the isles? The money they make from them is tainted and evil too?
What can we do about providing supplies to outer isles yet not threaten the environment? Remove the grandfather clauses and subject them to the same inspection rules. The incumbents are scared because the ferry can provide competition and remove the monopoly they've had. YB wants to increase rates by 17.9%. More than ever, the ferry is a good thing. Mistakes were made along the way. I'm for fixing the mistakes, not abolishing the ferry.
They broke the law. The courts agreed. No thanks on shipping industrial chemicals on the Superferry. And no thenks on enriching insiders that glom onto the Military Budget under the cover of passenger service. Ever ask why YB is raising their rates? You think SF can compete with them? If so, at what fares would they be able to do it.. The SF is not a barge, it is a High Speed vessal that cannot go full speed or it will cut whales in two. You have simplistic reason for thinking the SF is a good thing, but everything I mentioned here makes it something to scrutinize with a microscope, because some crappy decision have been forced on us.
Doc

Germany

#121 Dec 26, 2008
Good writer.
alice

Waipahu, HI

#122 Dec 26, 2008
thanks
Bob

Asheville, NC

#123 Dec 27, 2008
alice wrote:
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shame on you for picking on uneducated and mentally ill people like the former director of oeqc - not everybody is an einstein like you
I pick on you all the time I am not ashamed. A moron like you should know when to keep her mouth shut , no free rides because you are mentally challenged.

You ask for what you get.

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