State evicting airport-area firms

State evicting airport-area firms

There are 47 comments on the Honolulu Star-Bulletin story from Sep 9, 2008, titled State evicting airport-area firms. In it, Honolulu Star-Bulletin reports that:

KAHULUI Ted Sniffen said he does not know where he will find another location for his trucking business, after receiving an eviction notice from the state to vacate the property by Dec.

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A Fish Out of H2O

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#42 Sep 10, 2008
Olsten looks like he needs to be evicted!!!!!!!!
Thats Life

Honolulu, HI

#43 Sep 10, 2008
Concerned Resident wrote:
Here we are with established, long-terms businesses and the State wants to evict them to build airport-related services for passengers who don't want to--or can't--come here because of the ecomony and fuel cost.[\QUOTE]The key phrase you used? "Airport-related." Whose property is this again? Doesn't it make sense to give priority to "airport-related services" on airport property? Should we construct rental car facilities off airport property instead?

[QUOTE]While part of the "master plan," it's not even tied to an immediate need. Yeah, build all of that and still no one will show up. Hello. Poor economy.
I will have to defer to the judgment of the rental car and other businesses who say they want to use the property now. I don't think that they'd knowingly choose to build new facilities if they didn't have a sense that the timing was right, looking ahead. Could they be wrong? Of course. And once again, if you're building new facilities in a knee-jerk fashion to address "immediate needs," then you'll forever be behind the curve... and getting blamed for it to boot.
Mind-boggling is the evictions from 20-years ago and still the lot is empty. Ecomonic downturn then the reason for not building? Well, let that be a further clue as to what to do now. Leave the businesses alone!!
I don't know the specifics of the lot in question, and I didn't see "economic downturn" cited as a reason why nothing was built at that time. If you have knowledge to support that contention, please share it -- otherwise, it's just pointless speculation. Plans change all the time in reaction to a changing world. That's business, that's life.

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#44 Sep 10, 2008
Lana da Loozah wrote:
<quoted text>No, it "reads like" an airport master plan dating back to 1992. It "reads like" improving airport facilities to improve the visitor experience, even as people like you have criticized the State for not doing enough to promote & support tourism, our #1 industry. And while I empathize with the affected business owners, it "reads like" knowing you're on a monthly lease, yet not making contingency plans for a situation such as this.
If you have any reasonable grounds for suspicion of kickbacks or nepotism, then let's hear them. Otherwise, you're just making ignorant, baseless, sensationalized accusations. "Throw it against the wall and see if it sticks"?
And you're the one who chides people for supposedly not making "intelligent" posts?? Gimme a break.
Oh yes. Stalking my posts and discussing ME instead of discussing the TOPICS. Lame. As for me supposedly chiding people for not discussing the TOPIC intelligently yes your response to my post epitomized it. I do have evidence going back as far as former Gov. Ariyoshi. It's nice to know that you tried in vain to use it in order to whine again. Man up and suck it up. Now return to discussing the TOPIC instead of WHINING about me. If you continue to WHINE I will ignore you like how I ignore "alice"'s posts. However if you want to discuss topics INTELLIGENTLY then I am open to that but to be fair let's try to STICK TO THE TOPIC instead of discussing ME unless you are a loser who STALKS people.
Thats Life

Honolulu, HI

#45 Sep 10, 2008
Concerned Resident wrote:
Aint Fair wrote: "Government must act for the greater good of the entire population, not just a few individuals."
The greater good of the entire population isn't going to be served by the evictions. It's gping to serve only a few. Guess that line isn't worth anything.
Think Big Picture, guy. What's Hawaii's #1 industry again? You're telling me that something aimed at helping the visitor industry via improving the visitor experience is only gonna help "a few"?? That non-airport related small businesses should be given priority over airport-related businesses on airport property?? C'mon now.
Also, "As being "no rush" -- sometimes you need to be proactive and stay one step ahead of the game. If they're doing this to help improve the visitor experience, then it seems to make sense to do it when we need to counter falling numbers, if they hadn't acted even sooner. Don't tell me you think we should just sit on our hands and watch things deteriorate without taking any action...?"
Okay, when you're evicted from your home or business, I'm glad to know you'll just happily pack up while praising the great wisdom of the State's decision, and that you'll skip merrily along to live in the quiet equally unfair bushes.
Skip the violin music, dude. I DO empathize with the affected businesses, and I DO support small, locally-owned businesses in general. But as I noted previously, whenever government does something like this, there's a very high likelihood that someone will suffer in some way. Think of the THOUSANDS of people and small businesses who have been forced to move and/or who have suffered adverse effects due to freeway and highway construction. I suppose that out of principle, then, you refuse to drive on these freeways and roads because of that?

You sound like a passionate advocate of small business and "the little guy," and I applaud that. But small business is also a game of survival, life ain't always fair, and rather than focus on being victims, people (and businesses) are best served by playing the hand that's been dealt them to the best of their abilities. Anyone who takes on a month-to-month lease has to be aware of the risk that involves, and not cry foul just because their gamble didn't pay off.
Let It Go

Kaneohe, HI

#46 Sep 10, 2008
Why is everyone blaming the state? Month to month? If I was on a month to month for that long, i'd be either trying to sign a long term lease or looking for a new location every month. Rent must have been good, but the state {us taxpayers)someday has to stop the subsidy. The writings on the wall when you're on a month to month.
Lana Can Dish It Out

Honolulu, HI

#47 Sep 10, 2008
-Lana- wrote:
<quoted text> Oh yes. Stalking my posts and discussing ME instead of discussing the TOPICS. Lame. As for me supposedly chiding people for not discussing the TOPIC intelligently yes your response to my post epitomized it. I do have evidence going back as far as former Gov. Ariyoshi. It's nice to know that you tried in vain to use it in order to whine again. Man up and suck it up. Now return to discussing the TOPIC instead of WHINING about me. If you continue to WHINE I will ignore you like how I ignore "alice"'s posts. However if you want to discuss topics INTELLIGENTLY then I am open to that but to be fair let's try to STICK TO THE TOPIC instead of discussing ME unless you are a loser who STALKS people.
... but she sure can't take it.

A counterpoint to your post is "stalking"? From what I've seen, you have many 'stalkers" if that's the case. Seems to me you simply can't handle people who disagree with you. THAT sounds like "whining" to me.

As far as "intelligent" posts... well, if you consider my post, in which I provided concrete counterpoints -- "unintelligent" -- then your throwing out charges of "kickbacks" and "nepotism" without a shred of supporting evidence is "ignorant." Does simply saying that you "have evidence going back as far as former Gov. Ariyoshi" constitute an intelligent argument, or prove your allegations? Gimme a break!

Look, we all know that there were rampant indiscretions, nepotism, kickbacks, etc. going on in the past at Airports Division. Accepting that as fact is hardly the same as suggesting that is also behind this current case regarding the terminated leases. If you know something we don't, then share it. If you don't, then throwing out those types of allegations is just ignorant sensationalism.
Happily Divorced Dad

Honolulu, HI

#48 Sep 10, 2008
willie wrote:
<quoted text>
Guess you like welfare too, something for nothing.
I am sure they were there because it was cheap, ok, now they have extablished businesses, find a new location.
I didn't ask for 'welfare' for these companies, quite the opposite. I asked for people to stop 'attacking' the businesses and just offer suggestions on different places that might be available to run their business out of in the short term. This was to keep the jobs so those employees don't end up on 'Unemployment' when they basically are thrown out of a job. Sometimes a perfectly good place may be sitting vacant because the right person doesn't know it's available. Word of mouth only goes so far, you only drive down a certain percentage of streets, there has to be a place for them to go. So, instead of just jumping and telling them how 'stupid' they are for renting, offer up some suggestions on possible places to go.

I also didn't say they should be allowed to stay. They are being forced out so the state can do something different with the land. Fine, that's been the 'plan' for a long time it seems and now is the time to implement. Just because you have been renting for years doesn't mean you get to live there forever. I myself am getting forced out of the house I have been renting and living in for 10 years, I am not complaining, I am happy some people in my village are going to be able to stay even though I am not. Everything has an end, why grumble about something I can't change.

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