Tobacco in Hookah Bars as Harmful as ...

Tobacco in Hookah Bars as Harmful as Smoking

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sour grapes

AOL

#2 Aug 20, 2011
I have to agree with the good doctor.

LET'S CELEBRATE SECOND HAND SMOKE WHOO HOO.

LET'S CELEBRATE THE SMOKE BEING PUMPED UP OUR A***S

BY THE GOOD TRUSTEES IN OUR VILLAGE WHOO HOO OH YEAH!!
zing

United States

#3 Aug 20, 2011
Then don't go there...
ron

Brookfield, IL

#4 Aug 20, 2011
How is it any different than standing next to a person that's smoking?

I don't understand, who is forcing you to go into a hookah bar if you are concerned about your health?
sour grapes

Berwyn, IL

#5 Aug 20, 2011
ron wrote:
How is it any different than standing next to a person that's smoking?
I don't understand, who is forcing you to go into a hookah bar if you are concerned about your health?
D B S M (Don't Be Simple Minded), it's not about adults because adults should know better, it's about kids in the village that will be attracted to these places and some would acquire this unhealthy habit that causes deathly life changing diseases. Like cancer. As is my choice I do not stand next to people that smoke.

LETS CELEBRATE SECOND HAND SMOKE IN HOOKA BARS WHOO HOO OH YEAH!!

THANKS COALITION FOR HAVING THE BEST INTEREST OF OUR YOUNGSTERS IN THE VILLAGE. WHOOO HOOO I LOVE JUSTICE TRUSTEES WHOOO HOOO!!
sour grapes

Berwyn, IL

#6 Aug 20, 2011
zing wrote:
Then don't go there...
No, I can promise you that I will not frequenting any of those establishments, and neither will any member of my family, we like to live healthy lives.

D B S M (Don't Be Simple Minded), it's not about adults because adults should know better, it's about kids in the village that will be attracted to these places and some would acquire this unhealthy habit that causes deathly life changing diseases. Like cancer. As is my choice I do not stand next to people that smoke.

LETS CELEBRATE SECOND HAND SMOKE IN HOOKA BARS WHOO HOO OH YEAH!!
Get me the bong

La Grange Park, IL

#7 Aug 20, 2011
Next thing you know the idiots on the board will be allowing hash parties at the Hookah bar. The JPD are going to be busy chasin Ali Baba and the 49 thieves
local yokel

AOL

#8 Aug 20, 2011
Especially if the board starts laying off patrol officers. By the way the password to those back room deals was change to "Open Sesame".
The Smoking Giraffe

Justice, IL

#9 Aug 21, 2011
Yes, yes. Why didn't the Trustees think about the children when they allowed the business license for this establishment which sells completely legal products?

Why couldn't the CPOJ be more like the previous board who shined in their ethical approach to government and led the efforts to ban the sale of pornographic materials and Lottery sales from the Justice convienence stores and gas stations. And how they fought tooth-and-nail to close all those alcohol establishments. And how they stood up to those chains who sell unhealthy, fattening fast food. The PVP--there was a group of politicians that thought like children. Er, I mean about the children.

And, by the way, I thought our big problem was that there aren't any businesses in Justice.
Smoke over Justice

AOL

#10 Aug 21, 2011
The Smoking Giraffe wrote:
Yes, yes. Why didn't the Trustees think about the children when they allowed the business license for this establishment which sells completely legal products?
Why couldn't the CPOJ be more like the previous board who shined in their ethical approach to government and led the efforts to ban the sale of pornographic materials and Lottery sales from the Justice convienence stores and gas stations. And how they fought tooth-and-nail to close all those alcohol establishments. And how they stood up to those chains who sell unhealthy, fattening fast food. The PVP--there was a group of politicians that thought like children. Er, I mean about the children.
And, by the way, I thought our big problem was that there aren't any businesses in Justice.
There are plenty of home based businesses. Trucking companies and contractors, so what we need now is hookah bars that sell lotto and pornographic material. I should apply for a home license for that. What do you think. With all these fine businesses that we have Justice should not be in the financial mess its in.

We don't need businesses in Justice we need industry, all these nickel and dime businesses wil not get Justice out of the mess it's in.
time to be real

Brookfield, IL

#11 Aug 22, 2011
sour grapes wrote:
<quoted text>
No, I can promise you that I will not frequenting any of those establishments, and neither will any member of my family, we like to live healthy lives.
D B S M (Don't Be Simple Minded), it's not about adults because adults should know better, it's about kids in the village that will be attracted to these places and some would acquire this unhealthy habit that causes deathly life changing diseases. Like cancer. As is my choice I do not stand next to people that smoke.
LETS CELEBRATE SECOND HAND SMOKE IN HOOKA BARS WHOO HOO OH YEAH!!
Now you are saying that it is the governments job to make sure that people's children are properly supervised? Now the government is a nanny service. What's next are we going to ban the sale of tobacco in gas stations because an underage kid might buy a package of cigarettes? No alcohol sales in town because a beer might get sold to an underage kid that isn't properly supervised? Making sure that every kid in town rides a bike with a helmet and knee pads?
Let's leave the parenting to the parents of these children that you are so worried about and stop running around like Ned Flanders screaming "What about the children???"
If you want to 'Stand up to Cancer' then don't go there. If you're going to try to play this issue off on "Save the Children" then I think if you are so concerned then you should stand outside of this hookah bar and patrol it to save the children you are so worried about.
It's not the governments job to parent children it's the parents job. Unless you are willing to start providing free babysitting service.
Personally I'm not thrilled about the idea of a hookah bar, based off of all the trouble the other villages in the area had with them, but being the morality police for other peoples kids shouldn't come into play.
sour grapes

Berwyn, IL

#12 Aug 22, 2011
time to be real wrote:
<quoted text>
Now you are saying that it is the governments job to make sure that people's children are properly supervised? Now the government is a nanny service. What's next are we going to ban the sale of tobacco in gas stations because an underage kid might buy a package of cigarettes? No alcohol sales in town because a beer might get sold to an underage kid that isn't properly supervised? Making sure that every kid in town rides a bike with a helmet and knee pads?
Let's leave the parenting to the parents of these children that you are so worried about and stop running around like Ned Flanders screaming "What about the children???"
If you want to 'Stand up to Cancer' then don't go there. If you're going to try to play this issue off on "Save the Children" then I think if you are so concerned then you should stand outside of this hookah bar and patrol it to save the children you are so worried about.
It's not the governments job to parent children it's the parents job. Unless you are willing to start providing free babysitting service.
Personally I'm not thrilled about the idea of a hookah bar, based off of all the trouble the other villages in the area had with them, but being the morality police for other peoples kids shouldn't come into play.
To "time to be real":

Eventually the taxpayer ends up footing the bill for medical treatment that could have been avoided had the public been warned about the health hazards of some businesses, in this case HOOKAH BARS.

Further more, in an era when parents are trying to be role models to their kids up pops up the head of the DEATHLY HOOKAH serpent with our local official’s benediction.

In addition, I see nothing wrong with warning the public about health issues, since our village politicians are not interested in doing it, especially those issues concerning young people; because as you very well know, the village politicians only concern is themselves as they are trying to connive their way out of a financial hole that they got themselves in to.

And you are right, HOOKAH is legal. However, there is no law against poking yourself in the eye either, but if you see some child doing it or attempting to do it, I am sure, that you will warn if not stop that child from hurting himself or herself. So put that in your HOOKAH pipe and smoke it Mr. Coalition Party sir.

SAVE THE CHILDREN BAN THE HOOKAK BARS IN JUSTICE OR ANY WHERE ELSE.

LET'S CELEBRATE! SAVE THE CHILDREN BAN THE HOOKAH BARS, WHOO HOO
SAVE THE CHILDREN BAN THE HOOKAH BARS, WHOO HOO!
SAVE THE CHILDREN BAN THE HOOKAH BARS, WHOO HOO!
SAVE THE CHILDREN BAN THE HOOKAH BARS, WHOO HOO!
SAVE THE CHILDREN BAN THE HOOKAH BARS, WHOO HOO!
SAVE THE CHILDREN BAN THE HOOKAH BARS, WHOO HOOOO!

PLEASE READ BELOW, IF YOU WANT OT SAVE THE CHILDREN

Health Effects from the CDC.gov

Hookah Smoke and Cancer

The charcoal used to heat tobacco in the hookah increases the health risks by producing high levels of carbon monoxide, metals, and cancer-causing chemicals.1,4
Even after it has passed through water, the smoke produced by a hookah contains high levels of toxic compounds, including carbon monoxide, heavy metals, and cancer-causing chemicals.4
Hookah tobacco and smoke contain numerous toxic substances known to cause lung, bladder, and ORAL CANCERS.

Irritation from exposure to tobacco juices increases the risk of developing oral cancers. The irritation by tobacco juice products is likely to be greater among hookah smokers than among pipe or cigar smokers because hookah smoking is typically practiced (with or without inhalation) more often and for longer periods of time.
The Dancing Giraffe

Justice, IL

#13 Aug 23, 2011
time to be real wrote:
<quoted text>
Now you are saying that it is the governments job to make sure that people's children are properly supervised? Now the government is a nanny service. What's next are we going to ban the sale of tobacco in gas stations because an underage kid might buy a package of cigarettes? No alcohol sales in town because a beer might get sold to an underage kid that isn't properly supervised? Making sure that every kid in town rides a bike with a helmet and knee pads?
Let's leave the parenting to the parents of these children that you are so worried about and stop running around like Ned Flanders screaming "What about the children???"
If you want to 'Stand up to Cancer' then don't go there. If you're going to try to play this issue off on "Save the Children" then I think if you are so concerned then you should stand outside of this hookah bar and patrol it to save the children you are so worried about.
It's not the governments job to parent children it's the parents job. Unless you are willing to start providing free babysitting service.
Personally I'm not thrilled about the idea of a hookah bar, based off of all the trouble the other villages in the area had with them, but being the morality police for other peoples kids shouldn't come into play.
Other villages having trouble with hookah bar patrons is something worth public discourse. What is the nature of this trouble and is it worth the citizen's safety or peace of mind? This is a much more valid conern than the children argument.
time to get real

Brookfield, IL

#14 Aug 23, 2011
The Dancing Giraffe wrote:
<quoted text>
Other villages having trouble with hookah bar patrons is something worth public discourse. What is the nature of this trouble and is it worth the citizen's safety or peace of mind? This is a much more valid conern than the children argument.
I agree. I'm tired of the whining and crying but the group of people that didn't win the election this time around. These are the people that don't want to come out and get involved (unless it's behind a keyboard) or stirring up trouble. Sour grapes is an appropriate name. They care so much that they do nothing but complain.

The save the children argument and the 'gonna get cancer' argument is moot. People can do whatever they want with their bodies, be it good or bad. Children are to be monitored by their parents not a group of whackjobs (see the PMRC in the 80's). According to sour grapes argument we should also stop people from working around chemicals because they can cause cancer.

If you want to outlaw smoking then go ahead and try, but if you're going to complain about hookah bars then I expect you to either stand outside trying to 'save the people' you are so concerned about, and also stop at every establishment in Justice that sells cigarettes and do the same.

Maybe the PVP can turn into the tobacco police and save us all.

What IS worth talking about is the fact that the village of worth shut down their hookah bar according to articles in the south town and didn't feel it really raised their revenues and turned it into a hang out more than anything. Will that be any different than the many bars in town being a hang out? Probably not.

What is discussing if how/if when the equpitment will be monitored or inspected by a health inspector.

All this capital letters and repetition from THE PEOPLES MORALITY POLICE, is just distraction and not working towards a solution.
Duke

Elmhurst, IL

#15 Aug 23, 2011
There are over 6,500 drownings in the United States every year. WHY AREN'T OUR PUBLIC OFFICIALS BANNING WATER!!! WHY DON'T THEY CARE!!!
THE SS

AOL

#16 Aug 24, 2011
Duke wrote:
There are over 6,500 drownings in the United States every year. WHY AREN'T OUR PUBLIC OFFICIALS BANNING WATER!!! WHY DON'T THEY CARE!!!
Fire the life guards and hire a Village of Justice Handyman, on second thought forget that, the village is drowning in debt.
Jimmy boy

AOL

#17 Aug 26, 2011
time to get real wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree. I'm tired of the whining and crying but the group of people that didn't win the election this time around. These are the people that don't want to come out and get involved (unless it's behind a keyboard) or stirring up trouble. Sour grapes is an appropriate name. They care so much that they do nothing but complain.
The save the children argument and the 'gonna get cancer' argument is moot. People can do whatever they want with their bodies, be it good or bad. Children are to be monitored by their parents not a group of whackjobs (see the PMRC in the 80's). According to sour grapes argument we should also stop people from working around chemicals because they can cause cancer.
If you want to outlaw smoking then go ahead and try, but if you're going to complain about hookah bars then I expect you to either stand outside trying to 'save the people' you are so concerned about, and also stop at every establishment in Justice that sells cigarettes and do the same.
Maybe the PVP can turn into the tobacco police and save us all.
What IS worth talking about is the fact that the village of worth shut down their hookah bar according to articles in the south town and didn't feel it really raised their revenues and turned it into a hang out more than anything. Will that be any different than the many bars in town being a hang out? Probably not.
What is discussing if how/if when the equpitment will be monitored or inspected by a health inspector.
All this capital letters and repetition from THE PEOPLES MORALITY POLICE, is just distraction and not working towards a solution.
"I'm tired of the whining and crying but the group of people that didn't win the election this time around."

The only people that did not win with this election is the residents of our village.

The residents got stuck once again with the same old political BS as before, the only thing that changed are the faces.

All this talk by some about some morality police is hogwash, I find some of the posts regarding the proposed hookah bars very informing and full of common sense as far as the health aspects are concerned.

Our local officials should have be warning us about the health dangers of these businesses from the get go.

Once again it shows their total disregard for the residents of this community. So, once again, the people that lost the election are the residents of Justice.
sour grapes

AOL

#18 Aug 29, 2011
time to be real wrote:
<quoted text>
Now you are saying that it is the governments job to make sure that people's children are properly supervised? Now the government is a nanny service. What's next are we going to ban the sale of tobacco in gas stations because an underage kid might buy a package of cigarettes? No alcohol sales in town because a beer might get sold to an underage kid that isn't properly supervised? Making sure that every kid in town rides a bike with a helmet and knee pads?
Let's leave the parenting to the parents of these children that you are so worried about and stop running around like Ned Flanders screaming "What about the children???"
If you want to 'Stand up to Cancer' then don't go there. If you're going to try to play this issue off on "Save the Children" then I think if you are so concerned then you should stand outside of this hookah bar and patrol it to save the children you are so worried about.
It's not the governments job to parent children it's the parents job. Unless you are willing to start providing free babysitting service.
Personally I'm not thrilled about the idea of a hookah bar, based off of all the trouble the other villages in the area had with them, but being the morality police for other peoples kids shouldn't come into play.
IT IS THE TIME TO GET REAL FOLKS

Eventually the taxpayer ends up footing the bill for medical treatment that could have been avoided had the public been warned about the health hazards of some businesses, in this case HOOKAH BARS.

Further more, in an era when parents are trying to be role models to their kids, up pops up the head of the DEATHLY HOOKAH serpent with our local official’s benediction.

The argument that proponents of HOOKAH bars use, is that it is legal, so they have no problem enticing youngster to this very dangerous and unhealthy habit. However, there is no law against poking yourself in the eye either, but if you see some child doing it or attempting to do it, I am sure, that you will warn if not stop that child from hurting himself or herself.

In addition, I see nothing wrong with warning the public about health issues, since our village politicians are not interested in doing it, especially those issues concerning young people.

Further more, as you very well know, the village politicians only concern is themselves as they are trying to connive their way out of a financial hole that they got themselves in to.

SAVE THE CHILDREN BAN THE HOOKAK BARS IN JUSTICE OR ANY WHERE ELSE.

LET'S CELEBRATE! SAVE THE CHILDREN BAN THE HOOKAH BARS, WHOO HOO
SAVE THE CHILDREN BAN THE HOOKAH BARS, WHOO HOO!
SAVE THE CHILDREN BAN THE HOOKAH BARS, WHOO HOO!
SAVE THE CHILDREN BAN THE HOOKAH BARS, WHOO HOO!
SAVE THE CHILDREN BAN THE HOOKAH BARS, WHOO HOO!
SAVE THE CHILDREN BAN THE HOOKAH BARS, WHOO HOOOO!

PLEASE READ BELOW, IF YOU WANT OT SAVE THE CHILDREN

Health Effects from the CDC.gov

Hookah Smoke and Cancer

The charcoal used to heat tobacco in the hookah increases the health risks by producing high levels of carbon monoxide, metals, and cancer-causing chemicals.1,4
Even after it has passed through water, the smoke produced by a hookah contains high levels of toxic compounds, including carbon monoxide, heavy metals, and cancer-causing chemicals.4
Hookah tobacco and smoke contain numerous toxic substances known to cause lung, bladder, and ORAL CANCERS.

Irritation from exposure to tobacco juices increases the risk of developing oral cancers. The irritation by tobacco juice products is likely to be greater among hookah smokers than among pipe or cigar smokers because hookah smoking is typically practiced (with or without inhalation) more often and for longer periods of time.

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