5/28/2010 - Gay victory...Somber mile...

5/28/2010 - Gay victory...Somber milestone...Waiting for well results

There are 82 comments on the WWUP-TV Cadillac story from May 28, 2010, titled 5/28/2010 - Gay victory...Somber milestone...Waiting for well results. In it, WWUP-TV Cadillac reports that:

The House has repealed "don't ask, don't tell." That's the 1993 law that banned gays from serving openly in the military.

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“Church | | State”

Since: Jun 07

Toby's Landing

#1 May 28, 2010
"Republicans voted overwhelmingly against the bill. They noted that the Pentagon needs more time to study the impact of the repeal."

Of course they voted overwhelmingly against it (for whatever excuse of a reason). The conservatives still use us as a whipping post and a red herring "cause" for the end of civilization as we know it.

There are exceptions, but any gay person who votes for a Republican is basically helping put knives in our collective backs.
Tim

East Northport, NY

#2 May 28, 2010
The right wingnuts (Republicans) are just voting to continue institutionalized bigotry. "Party of NO" indeed.
Equality for ALL

San Mateo, CA

#3 May 28, 2010
Republicans - Just a continued effort by the bigots to deny rights to our brave men & women who happen to be gay or lesbian.

And the republican Senate now plans to fillabuster the bill once it comes to the floor in June. NO NO NO NO NO ... that's all they KNOW.

“Choose wisely!”

Since: Jul 07

Los Angeles

#4 May 28, 2010
One positive step forward in what will be a long process. DADTDP will be repealed, just not soon.

People need to remember to keep calling and writing their Congresspeople and Senators to keep the pressure up - because I can guarantee you that the opposition is calling and writing continuously!

Eric

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#5 May 28, 2010
From HRC e-mail blast May 28, 2010:

Through all of this, the most impactful thing to me is how repeal will affect the men and women who are serving in silence now as well as those who desperately want to rejoin. HRC's military consultant Jarrod Chlapowski relayed this story to me that should remind us all why we do this work:

This morning a friend still on active duty called me to ask what I thought about today's votes. "We got it, man," I responded. He didn't believe me and frankly, I didn't quite believe it myself. As I tried to tell him how good a position we are in, the phone became silent. I asked if he was ok, only to realize he simply couldn't get the words out to respond. He was crying. We both were. Finally, a whispered "thank you."

It's incredible to be faced with the thing you've been longing to see since taking the oath to serve and defend the country against all enemies foreign and domestic. I – and many like me – long to take the oath again. And because of events this week, I believe we will. So this is what history feels like.

Having come so far toward the repeal that Jarrod and other veterans have so longed for, we must not let up the pressure now.

As the fight moves to the full Senate, final victory is no sure thing. And we must continue to be vigilant.

Even if the repeal passes in Congress, we'll need your continued support to see it through the Pentagon study and certification that will follow.

78% of Americans favor ending "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" according to a recent CNN poll, yet the right-wing lobbying machine is still working night and day to hijack repeal before the full Senate votes.

So in the wake of this week's inspiring victories, we'll be counting on your continued calls, emails and letters to help us keep up the momentum for repeal.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#6 May 28, 2010
Study Says Gay Soldiers Integrate into Military Smoothly

The Sexuality and Gender Law Clinic at Columbia Law School has sent to members of Congress a report which shows conclusively that international allies of the United States have implemented smooth transitions in allowing gay and lesbian service members to serve openly in their nations’ armed forces.

The report,“Open Service and Our Allies: A Report on the Inclusion of Openly Gay and Lesbian Service Members in U.S. Allies’ Armed Forces,” is based on extensive research into the militaries of Australia, Canada, Israel, and the United Kingdom; it concludes that successful implementation of strategies that permitted gays and lesbians to serve openly involved no changes in housing or hygiene facilities.

To the surprise of some, including those who oppose ending the Pentagon’s exclusionary Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell (DADT) policy, the report found that military performance and unit cohesion improved, and discrimination and harassment did not significantly increase, in the international armed services which integrated gays and lesbians openly.

http://www.southfloridagaynews.com/news/natio...

Since: May 10

beverly hills

#7 May 28, 2010
now that it has passed the house, the Senate gets to vote on it. It'll pass there too. Then, it goes to the JCS for "review", and they have an unlimited time to study it before they ultimately decide whether to reverse DADT or not. It's an empty victory. Obama said he'd "make DADT a thing of the past, with the stroke of his pen, as soon aas he was elected President"...LIAR!! He can simply order the military to repeal DADT, so why doesn't he keep the promise he made to the gays that helped him get elected? Because he's not running for reelection, yet. He is no friend to gays, and people should remember his lies and broken promises when he does run again.

Since: Sep 07

Flushing, NY

#8 May 28, 2010
riotgrrl wrote:
now that it has passed the house, the Senate gets to vote on it. It'll pass there too. Then, it goes to the JCS for "review", and they have an unlimited time to study it before they ultimately decide whether to reverse DADT or not. It's an empty victory. Obama said he'd "make DADT a thing of the past, with the stroke of his pen, as soon aas he was elected President"...LIAR!! He can simply order the military to repeal DADT, so why doesn't he keep the promise he made to the gays that helped him get elected? Because he's not running for reelection, yet. He is no friend to gays, and people should remember his lies and broken promises when he does run again.
I fear you are right! We can only hope.

But lest certain people start screaming "Obamamaniac", I'd like to remind you all that John McCain and his Republicans, those paragons of love for the gay community, have threatened to filibuster the Defense budget bill to prevent the repeal which is part of the bill.

Since: May 10

beverly hills

#9 May 28, 2010
Jason1 wrote:
<quoted text>
I fear you are right! We can only hope.
But lest certain people start screaming "Obamamaniac", I'd like to remind you all that John McCain and his Republicans, those paragons of love for the gay community, have threatened to filibuster the Defense budget bill to prevent the repeal which is part of the bill.
at least they don't pretend to be on our side, while they stab us in the back, after we help them win the election!

“Sotomayor TheNewFace of Racism”

Since: Apr 09

Zebulon, NC

#10 May 28, 2010
riotgrrl wrote:
now that it has passed the house, the Senate gets to vote on it. It'll pass there too. Then, it goes to the JCS for "review", and they have an unlimited time to study it before they ultimately decide whether to reverse DADT or not. It's an empty victory. Obama said he'd "make DADT a thing of the past, with the stroke of his pen, as soon aas he was elected President"...LIAR!! He can simply order the military to repeal DADT, so why doesn't he keep the promise he made to the gays that helped him get elected? Because he's not running for reelection, yet. He is no friend to gays, and people should remember his lies and broken promises when he does run again.
I understand were you are coming from; I myself am not a fan of Obama. The media as did a piss poor job reporting on DADT. They continually use the term "policy" when they should be using "law" or "legislation". Obama never had the authority to end DADT with the stroke of a pen as Clinton did. Because the military under Clinton and his predecessors had anti gay policies which could have been ended "with a stroke of a pen" however DADT is law passed by congress so Obama has to wait for congress to repeal DADT before he can do anything. However the repeal as written changes DADT from a law to a policy which if the new law passes then Obama will have the authority to end DADT with the stroke of a pen.

There are many reasons to berate Obama but at this point DADT is not one of them. Lets wait and see when this "repeal" is past then it will be time to hold Obama accountable for not using a stroke of a pen to repeal DADT.

Another problem with this "repeal" is that there is nothing in it to keep any future administration from enacting anti gay enlistment policies even if DADT is lifted it can be reinstated as an administrative policy. So the Dems look like heroes when they have done very little to help end governmental anti gay discrimination.

Since: May 10

beverly hills

#11 May 28, 2010
censoredagain wrote:
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I understand were you are coming from; I myself am not a fan of Obama. The media as did a piss poor job reporting on DADT. They continually use the term "policy" when they should be using "law" or "legislation". Obama never had the authority to end DADT with the stroke of a pen as Clinton did. Because the military under Clinton and his predecessors had anti gay policies which could have been ended "with a stroke of a pen" however DADT is law passed by congress so Obama has to wait for congress to repeal DADT before he can do anything. However the repeal as written changes DADT from a law to a policy which if the new law passes then Obama will have the authority to end DADT with the stroke of a pen.
There are many reasons to berate Obama but at this point DADT is not one of them. Lets wait and see when this "repeal" is past then it will be time to hold Obama accountable for not using a stroke of a pen to repeal DADT.
Another problem with this "repeal" is that there is nothing in it to keep any future administration from enacting anti gay enlistment policies even if DADT is lifted it can be reinstated as an administrative policy. So the Dems look like heroes when they have done very little to help end governmental anti gay discrimination.
as the commander in chief, he has almost unlimited authority over the military. he could have, and still can use an executive directive to repeal DADT at anytime he chooses.
Wayne

Vienna, VA

#12 May 28, 2010
The "Potty of NO" continues to show its refusal to acknowledge the obvious and continue to live in the 16th century. Anybody for a sit in next week in, say, McCain's office?

“Son of Abraham”

Since: Aug 07

Natural Deviant

#13 May 28, 2010
riotgrrl wrote:
<quoted text>at least they don't pretend to be on our side, while they stab us in the back, after we help them win the election!
Are you serious? At least they're upfront about stabbing us in the back and being our enemy? You know, Obama might not be the promised president he campaigned himself to be, but you're way beyond ignorant if you don't think the GOP would not only be making sure DADT stayed in place but would be making sure our rights are dwindled even more.

btw, I understand your frustration but get a grip on reality.
The Virgin Queen

Miami, FL

#14 May 28, 2010
While watching the news I saw some Republican politician whose name I didn't catch making the argument that keeping gays from openly being in the military was the same thing as the Army not accepting people who were too tall, too short, or too overweight. He then said it was all about "unit cohesion" - where is the connection between "unit cohesion" and keeping people out of the military for conditions that I always assumed had to do more with the physical requirements of the job. Anyway by "unit cohesion" I assume he meant having openly gay soliders might cause dissension among soliders who did not want to serve with openly gay people. The same argument could just as easily have been used to keep the military segregated. I fund it odd how a politician can get up in Congress in the year 2010 and make that kind of an argument for television news camera's and not be called on it.

“Son of Abraham”

Since: Aug 07

Natural Deviant

#15 May 28, 2010
The Virgin Queen wrote:
While watching the news I saw some Republican politician whose name I didn't catch making the argument that keeping gays from openly being in the military was the same thing as the Army not accepting people who were too tall, too short, or too overweight. He then said it was all about "unit cohesion" - where is the connection between "unit cohesion" and keeping people out of the military for conditions that I always assumed had to do more with the physical requirements of the job. Anyway by "unit cohesion" I assume he meant having openly gay soliders might cause dissension among soliders who did not want to serve with openly gay people. The same argument could just as easily have been used to keep the military segregated. I fund it odd how a politician can get up in Congress in the year 2010 and make that kind of an argument for television news camera's and not be called on it.
Dude, what have you been smoking? Whatever it is keep on toking.

“Sotomayor TheNewFace of Racism”

Since: Apr 09

Zebulon, NC

#16 May 28, 2010
riotgrrl wrote:
<quoted text>as the commander in chief, he has almost unlimited authority over the military. he could have, and still can use an executive directive to repeal DADT at anytime he chooses.
Obama is POTUS not a dictator he too has to follow and abide by the constitutional laws of the land. If the law says no open gays then it is his responsibility (if constitutional) to execute (enforce) the law hence "the executive branch of government" So now he cannot with a stroke of a pen whip out a law passed by congress. He can challenge a law's constitutionality by appealing to the 3rd branch of government the courts. but again he cannot not use the stroke of a pen to get rid of DADT.

“Sotomayor TheNewFace of Racism”

Since: Apr 09

Zebulon, NC

#17 May 28, 2010
McMike wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you serious? At least they're upfront about stabbing us in the back and being our enemy? You know, Obama might not be the promised president he campaigned himself to be, but you're way beyond ignorant if you don't think the GOP would not only be making sure DADT stayed in place but would be making sure our rights are dwindled even more.
btw, I understand your frustration but get a grip on reality.
Talk about stereotyping!!!! not all GOP members are anti gay theorcrats just as not every Dem is pro gay.

“Son of Abraham”

Since: Aug 07

Natural Deviant

#18 May 29, 2010
censoredagain wrote:
<quoted text>
Talk about stereotyping!!!! not all GOP members are anti gay theorcrats just as not every Dem is pro gay.
Are you serious?

I never said every GOP was anit-gay but you can't think a handful somehow changed the party. For example, the recent House vote on repealing DADT was:

229 Democrats and 5 Republicans in favor
Opposed were 168 Republicans and 26 Democrats

Wow - FIVE WHOLE REPUBLICANS. The GOP is by far more anti-gay then the Democrats.
Beth

Miami, FL

#19 May 29, 2010
Lazlow wrote:
"Republicans voted overwhelmingly against the bill. They noted that the Pentagon needs more time to study the impact of the repeal."
Of course they voted overwhelmingly against it (for whatever excuse of a reason). The conservatives still use us as a whipping post and a red herring "cause" for the end of civilization as we know it.
There are exceptions, but any gay person who votes for a Republican is basically helping put knives in our collective backs.
I was watching a gay man on MSNBC saying that as a fiscal conservative he was a Republican.
Either he hates himself or lives in fantasy land because many of the Rep Christian conservative base would kill him if they could.

Beth

Miami, FL

#20 May 29, 2010
McMike wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you serious?
I never said every GOP was anit-gay but you can't think a handful somehow changed the party. For example, the recent House vote on repealing DADT was:
229 Democrats and 5 Republicans in favor
Opposed were 168 Republicans and 26 Democrats
Wow - FIVE WHOLE REPUBLICANS. The GOP is by far more anti-gay then the Democrats.
Anti gay is an under statement have you ever been to the GOP base camps called Southern bible belt areas?
EVERY stereo type you have heard is true.

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