If Health Law Is Overturned, What Will Liberals Do?

Mar 28, 2012 | Posted by: JCKS Editor | Full story: thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com

If the Supreme Court strikes down all or part of President Obama 's health care law , it will have unraveled a legislative compromise that many liberals had viewed with suspicion from the beginning.

In one of the ironies of recent politics, Mr. Obama was a late convert to the merits of the individual mandate that now appears to be in danger of being declared unconstitutional.

But the president’s embrace of the mandate — and his willingness to abandon a so-called public option to get a health care deal — was a hard pill to swallow for many of his Democratic supporters.

The Affordable Care Act promises to provide health insurance to millions who lacked it. But it also stops far short of the idea that health care is a basic right for everyone living in the country. And it embraces the market-based system of private health care delivery that has long existed in America.

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Whatever you right-wingers say, health care is a basic human right.
So where is this stated in any of our legal writings? Oh, its not!? Sorry. For a moment there I thought you might have been stating fact.

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Whatever you right-wingers say, health care is a basic human right.
but if you, or anyone else, can't afford it, they should take money from me to help pay for your care?

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So where is this stated in any of our legal writings? Oh, its not!? Sorry. For a moment there I thought you might have been stating fact.
Rights exist whether those who wish to deny them believe they do or not.

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but if you, or anyone else, can't afford it, they should take money from me to help pay for your care?
What makes you so special for you to assume otherswise? You possess no specialness. That's the thing about basic human rights: they cover everybody. meanwhile you have no particular right to feel you are better than folks down on their luck. The fact you do exhibits your poor character.
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The Kangaroo wrote:
Whatever you right-wingers say, health care is a basic human right.
Basic healthcare is a basic human right.

If you want the platinum plan, then stop being a parasite and earn it.

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Whatever you right-wingers say, health care is a basic human right.
The best justification for Mars habitation.
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<quoted text>It's simple math. If you eat more calories than you burn, you'll get fat. It's not about accessible foods because even if you eat cheap processed foods, you won't get fat. The problem is when you eat too much and don't exercise. Quit blaming everyone else and take responsibility. You can eat very cheaply and very inexpensively because even canned vegetables have more nutrition than the overpriced processed foods. Beans, lentils, frozen spinach, some onions, garlic and mild curry sauce is delicious and cheap. There are a million ways to eat well and cheap. Spend less time arguing on the computer and more time walking, you won't be fat.
Do you realize you have just echoed the sentiments of the lady you conservatives love to hate: Michelle Obama. If she talks nutrition, you all say she should mind her own business. It`s okay if you say it, isn`t it ?
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Republicunts hate being faced with facts. They prefer being lied to by corporations, they love chugging corporate cock.
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you would not know a fact if it hit you in the face,you ignorant sumbitch
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<quoted text>Do you realize you have just echoed the sentiments of the lady you conservatives love to hate: Michelle Obama. If she talks nutrition, you all say she should mind her own business. It`s okay if you say it, isn`t it ?
nobody cares what that wookie has to say
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There have always been overweight and obese people, since the begining of time. It's not something new. It has, however, become an epidemic with all the crap out there that is cheap for thos less fortunate that does nothing to a waist line or the health of a heart. You really are naive and ignorant. And much to concerned over the weight of people for pure vanity reasons.
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<quoted text>This country used to be all people who were a normal size. When I began working in 1976, all the girls were a size 7-9. Most all of us were a normal size, what would be considered very tiny today. This country is the fattest people in the world now. It has a major obesity epidemic. So people here are not happy with their lives here for whatever reasons. The solution is to figure out how did they get so lazy, why are most people here fat now, what are the dysfunctions in our society that have led to an overeating epidemic? That's the solution to the problem. This idea that today everyone is a 16-24 and if I am still a 7, I am the one who is sick. OMG. This is what it is like now. I'm 55, same size I was at 16 almost, but today I am called sick, skinny because of this sick obesity epidemic. I grew up before McDonald's existed, I grew up playing basketball after school with my brothers. I grew up with grandparents who made us weed the yard, wash the car. I grew up exercising. Today people don't exercise and they all eat way too much. Then, they all complain that they want men to look at them, but they do not want to do any work. They don't want to diet or exercise. I think Americans have too much money, they are sooooooo excessive to the point they think they are entitled to have the fat sucked out of them, to the point they think a doctor should be paid to make them beautiful. Life doesn't work like that. You are what you do, not how much money you spend. The ONLY way people can avoid diabetes and other health problems from obesity, the only way they can go back to being a normal weight, is to do normal things like they did decades ago - like exercising. What people need to do is decide if they do not like being overweight and they do not like how they look, then each time they go to overeat, they have to make a conscious choice - "do I want to eat this that I do not need now for temporary gratification and pay the price tomorrow, or do I want to be healthy, comfortable, thin and attractive, and then decide, pick one, and then admit you have total control over your decisions and over how you look. It's all a choice, but it's the massive dysfunctions in our society that make so many choose overeating as a way of coping with their lives. It's an epidemic. You have to think of it as a choice. Do I want to fit in my clothes tomorrow or not, do I want to be able to bend over and tie my shoes or not. It's a choice. Everything is a choice. People are not trapped having to be fat. Once you get it you have choices, you can change things.
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Oh, and McDonalds opened in 1937. How old did you say you are again? Liar.
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And some people just remain naturally skinny. I do now. You're skinny now because your cancer is eating away at you....not to mention the fact that you have to walk everywhere because you're afraid to ride in cars or buses. All due to your mental disability, huh, Jane? Bwahahahahahahaha!!!
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<quoted text>This country used to be all people who were a normal size. When I began working in 1976, all the girls were a size 7-9. Most all of us were a normal size, what would be considered very tiny today. This country is the fattest people in the world now. It has a major obesity epidemic. So people here are not happy with their lives here for whatever reasons. The solution is to figure out how did they get so lazy, why are most people here fat now, what are the dysfunctions in our society that have led to an overeating epidemic? That's the solution to the problem. This idea that today everyone is a 16-24 and if I am still a 7, I am the one who is sick. OMG. This is what it is like now. I'm 55, same size I was at 16 almost, but today I am called sick, skinny because of this sick obesity epidemic. I grew up before McDonald's existed, I grew up playing basketball after school with my brothers. I grew up with grandparents who made us weed the yard, wash the car. I grew up exercising. Today people don't exercise and they all eat way too much. Then, they all complain that they want men to look at them, but they do not want to do any work. They don't want to diet or exercise. I think Americans have too much money, they are sooooooo excessive to the point they think they are entitled to have the fat sucked out of them, to the point they think a doctor should be paid to make them beautiful. Life doesn't work like that. You are what you do, not how much money you spend. The ONLY way people can avoid diabetes and other health problems from obesity, the only way they can go back to being a normal weight, is to do normal things like they did decades ago - like exercising. What people need to do is decide if they do not like being overweight and they do not like how they look, then each time they go to overeat, they have to make a conscious choice - "do I want to eat this that I do not need now for temporary gratification and pay the price tomorrow, or do I want to be healthy, comfortable, thin and attractive, and then decide, pick one, and then admit you have total control over your decisions and over how you look. It's all a choice, but it's the massive dysfunctions in our society that make so many choose overeating as a way of coping with their lives. It's an epidemic. You have to think of it as a choice. Do I want to fit in my clothes tomorrow or not, do I want to be able to bend over and tie my shoes or not. It's a choice. Everything is a choice. People are not trapped having to be fat. Once you get it you have choices, you can change things.
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YES. Everyone should have access to affordable, reliable healthcare. No one should be excluded. We'd have less germs floating around making people sick if we had the same basic health care.
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What makes you a better person to have better healthcare than a person who wasn't as lucky as you to make as much money as you do? I don't agree with what all of my tax money goes to,but if it helps another, I'm all for it.
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What makes you a better person to have better healthcare than a person who wasn't as lucky as you to make as much money as you do? I don't agree with what all of my tax money goes to,but if it helps another, I'm all for it.<quoted text>
So you're saying that its ok to take money from someone that earned it, and give it to someone that did not earn it?
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Oh, and McDonalds opened in 1937. How old did you say you are again? Liar.
The McDonald brothers opened their first restaraunt in 1940 and it was a BBQ joint. In 1948 it changed to hamburgers but it was not until 1955 that first franchise opened.
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What makes you a better person to have better healthcare than a person who wasn't as lucky as you to make as much money as you do? I don't agree with what all of my tax money goes to,but if it helps another, I'm all for it.<quoted text>
You have used up millions and millions of dollars of Medicaid and you do not work, and you have not worked since you were 30 and you are not ever going to work again. You do not pay taxes and you live on tax money and on Medicaid and on every other welfare program under the sun. Of course you want free health care. You want free housing, free money, money from rich people, you want to rob people, sue people, you want to start a fake charity and keep all of the money rich people would give you. You want SSI, Medicaid, Section 8, free dental care, extra cash from your state, food stamps and you do not ever want to pay one cent to support your two children. You want to never work, never pay taxes, say poor you, poor you, feel sorry for you, help you, give you money and you use your free money to go to bars and get drunk and party and to travel. You're the typical welfare B living it up like Paris Hilton on welfare. Then since you never have to do one thing ever, you sit in here and stalk people and real life stalk people and commit crime after crime. So what?? You're some dead souled pig, obese, welfare wh@re? So what??
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And some people just remain naturally skinny. I do now. You're skinny now because your cancer is eating away at you....not to mention the fact that you have to walk everywhere because you're afraid to ride in cars or buses. All due to your mental disability, huh, Jane? Bwahahahahahahaha!!!<quoted text>
You need to abuse a senior citizen with cancer who does not even have a car why again?? What is your 4 year, 5 milion times you abuse me over my family abusing me, over I have cancer, over I am indigent, and you keep saying you must abuse me. Why is that you need to abuse me?? My grandfather wants to know what your cruel, insane, criminal bullsh!t story is why you need to abuse a poor sick person?? What is your point??? You jealous criminal insane stalking piece of sh!t. This is ALL you have to do. What is your bullsh!t story why you stalk me and abuse me and commit crimes against me for four years? Because you are so miserable, so mean, so sick, such a narcissist that the ONLY thing you are capable of is abusing and committing crimes against dirt poor cancer and abuse victims. This is ALL you have in your life. If you were one bit human, one bit strong, one bit decent, you would not attack and harm those who are poor and sick and being abused. What kind of chicken sh!t trash attacks someone who has NOTHING? You. You do it and you do it year after year. You big sociopathic narcissist from hell. All you think is you can get ahold of a woman 20 years older than you and be so jealous they were pretty or they were to get 5 cents some day so you feel entitled to harm them over and over and over and over and over because your narcissism says you are so justified in harming anyone who may, might not drop dead indigent, so you are entitled to commit crimes against them. This is the vile, sick sh!t you keep trying to sell. GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE. Get lost you two bit pile of evil, vile useless, dead souled sh!t. Beat it dead soul. Get lost. If this place had any monitoring technique, you would have been permanently put out of here years ago, you are a blood sucking criminal narcissist abuser sociopath who needs to be arrested and forced out of public forums so you can no longer prey on people. You are a fking preditor, a dead souled abuser preditor and you know that. You and your preditory gang bond over abusing women. So? So what?? What does that make you all other than the sickest, most self-hating, most trapped, most stuck, lowest of the lowest dead souls on this earth. So what?? You have to abuse strangers. So what?? Go to hell. You have NO right to do any of this cruel insane sh!t you do. You are commiting crimes, you have no right to commit crimes. GET LOST with your sick, vile, evil sh!t. GET LOST.
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What makes you a better person to have better healthcare than a person who wasn't as lucky as you to make as much money as you do? I don't agree with what all of my tax money goes to,but if it helps another, I'm all for it.<quoted text>
According to the right-wingnuz-noise that makes you not only lazy but socialist - either you are rich or you are lazy - what a concept!

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