If Health Law Is Overturned, What Will Liberals Do?

[OregonSUX]

Churmudgeon wrote:

<quoted text> I Agree. I think it was Marge Thactcher that stated The problem with socialism is you eventually run out of other peoples money to spend. The USA govt and a host of other countries govt has already reached that point. So the USA govt borrows 40 cents of every dollar it spends. Some other places have run out of ctrdit and cannott borrow enough to cover the entitlements. So the parsites are revolting.

Largest increases in government:

Reagan and GW Bush

Smallest increases in government:

Clinton and Obama

The stock market prefers Democratic Administrations 5-to-1 over Republiscum ones.

Reagan turned the USA from the world's largest creditor into the world's largest debtor. GW Bush gave us global financial meltdown and the Great Recession.

Clinton gave Bush full employment and an economy on track to pay off the national debt by 2010. Bush gave OBAMA $5 Trillion in additional debt, 850,000/month in job losses and negative 9% GDP.

This is why the stock market, that great beacon of capitalist wet dreams, prefers Democrats to Republiscum.

Democrats are America-loving adults. Republiscum are America-hating juvenile punks.

[Gaudio]

OregonSUX wrote:

"Under the full range of policies in the Affordable Care Act to be in place by 2014, Americans living with pre-existing conditions are free from discrimination and can get the health coverage they need at a price they can afford.
And families are free from the worry of having their insurance cancelled or capped when a family member gets sick, or going broke because of the medical costs of an accident or disease.
Today, there are many conditions that your insurance company may consider “pre-existing conditions,” including:
Heart disease
Cancer
Asthma
High blood pressure
Arthritis
Prior to the enactment of the Affordable Care Act, your insurance company can decide what is a pre-existing condition and refuse to sell you a policy, charge you two or three times more, or limit your benefits so that your condition is excluded.
Thanks to the Affordable Care Act, we have already prohibited these practices for children and by 2014 that will be the law of the land for all Americans. But if efforts in Congress to repeal the health law succeed, all those freedoms will be wiped away."
ROMNEY is trying to KILL THIS and KILL AMERICANS.
Romney is an America-hater.

Sorry to burst your party balloon and I hate to admit it myself but the non-denial of coverage for pre-existing conditions was drafted and executed by the Republicans. Has zip to do with the big Tax that was approved by SCOTUS aka ObamaCare. You can deny all you want and stomp your feet (I've read your disgusting inflammatory comments)but you are simply incorrect. Read the H.R. bills from 2010.

[OzRitz]

Robert wrote:

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Nothing is free OZ. Never has been and never will be. Someone always pays. So when the rich find a loop hole to pay less, or we start to run out of rich ppl, then what genius? You libs just think the the job creators will lay down and give in. That is not how it works. If they do not make enough money they cut benefits, jobs. Benefits like healthcare, retirement. You know the very thing Obamacare is supposed to fix? You libs never get it. Eventually you have more unemployed living on gov dime! I diots!

Why do conservatives always go off on a tangent any time alternate solution is posted. NO ONE mentioned living off the rich, no one mentioned jobs. This fairytale that you guys live on saying that more money in the small percentage of the population always results in jobs. Well the wealthy have that position now, so where are the jobs ? I was talking about health care its nothing to do with socialism, if you think it is then you must also think that having a military is socialist as well. In fact anything the government has its hand in. This was about having health care costed by collecting extra tax not forcing insurance.
In Australia NOT ONE employer provides health insurance, in that circumstance I think the US is unique. So having said that, now everyone thinks its an Entitlement.(the very thing you are arguing against) The private insurance still exists outside that health system because they provide a better service. Simple as that so ppl take it on, and if you are a high earner you take it on to get that tax break. What that has to do with running out of rich ppl I have no idea.

[xxxrayted]

OzRitz wrote:

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Why do conservatives always go off on a tangent any time alternate solution is posted. NO ONE mentioned living off the rich, no one mentioned jobs. This fairytale that you guys live on saying that more money in the small percentage of the population always results in jobs. Well the wealthy have that position now, so where are the jobs ? I was talking about health care its nothing to do with socialism, if you think it is then you must also think that having a military is socialist as well. In fact anything the government has its hand in. This was about having health care costed by collecting extra tax not forcing insurance.
In Australia NOT ONE employer provides health insurance, in that circumstance I think the US is unique. So having said that, now everyone thinks its an Entitlement.(the very thing you are arguing against) The private insurance still exists outside that health system because they provide a better service. Simple as that so ppl take it on, and if you are a high earner you take it on to get that tax break. What that has to do with running out of rich ppl I have no idea.

Actually, Canada is now starting to lean towards private insurance because they are erecting private pay clinics and hospitals. Their system is not working out perfect either.

Where are the jobs? The money is overseas and will stay there until DumBama is out of office. Commie Care scares the hell out of them not to mention that every other speech by DumBama has to do with his desire to raise income taxes on people making over $250,000 per year.

Companies who have 50 employees or more are subject to the 2,800 pages of regulations and fines in Commie Care. This means that growing businesses will stop their growth at under 50 employees. Instead of providing new jobs for people, they will just make their workers work longer hours. It's cheaper that way because they escape all these new healthcare laws. Those who do wish to expand their business will do so outside the US. Canada has less than half of the corporate tax that we do. What's to think about?

[OregonSUX]

xxxrayted wrote:

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Actually, Canada is now starting to lean towards private insurance because they are erecting private pay clinics and hospitals. Their system is not working out perfect either.
Where are the jobs? The money is overseas and will stay there until DumBama is out of office. Commie Care scares the hell out of them not to mention that every other speech by DumBama has to do with his desire to raise income taxes on people making over $250,000 per year.
Companies who have 50 employees or more are subject to the 2,800 pages of regulations and fines in Commie Care. This means that growing businesses will stop their growth at under 50 employees. Instead of providing new jobs for people, they will just make their workers work longer hours. It's cheaper that way because they escape all these new healthcare laws. Those who do wish to expand their business will do so outside the US. Canada has less than half of the corporate tax that we do. What's to think about?

We already know that you support criminals and tax evaders.

You do not have to keep repeating this point.

Republiscums = supporting tax evaders and criminals.

[Robert]

OregonSUX wrote:

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"Uninsured people with pre-existing conditions in every state now have access to coverage through the new, temporary Pre-existing Condition Insurance Plan.
This serves as a bridge until 2014, when insurance companies can no longer deny or limit coverage or charge higher premiums to anyone because of a preexisting condition. "
http://www.healthcare.gov/blog/2011/01/preexi...

You mean Medicaid. That was what they called the unfunded mandate the states have been complaining about. My state is not expanding the medicaid role. And yes insurance can charge more for preexisting conditions but you can not be turned down. Everyone will be charged more to make up for the raping of government to us taxpayers. 66% of all tax revenue collected goes towards entitlements, which leaves 34% for everything else. Health insurance for the poor will eat up that 34% leaving nothing for defense. But I am sure that is ok for you libs who thinks the USA should be ruled by OBAMA and the UN!

[xxxrayted]

OregonSUX wrote:

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We already know that you support criminals and tax evaders.
You do not have to keep repeating this point.
Republiscums = supporting tax evaders and criminals.

For your information, nobody has more tax evaders than the Obama staff. At least Republicans run on lower taxes and try to get those low tax rates. Dumbocrats preach about lower taxes and try to pay the least amount of taxes themselves. Just ask John FFFFF Kerry about his boat. Look up John Edwards and his legal tricks to get out of paying into the Medicare system. Warren Buffett is fighting the IRS because he believes one of his companies is paying too much tax.

Dumbocrats = hypocrites and liars.

[xxxrayted]

Edit: Democrats preach about higher taxes and then try to pay the least amount of taxes.

[OregonSUX]

Robert wrote:

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You mean Medicaid. That was what they called the unfunded mandate the states have been complaining about. My state is not expanding the medicaid role. And yes insurance can charge more for preexisting conditions but you can not be turned down. Everyone will be charged more to make up for the raping of government to us taxpayers. 66% of all tax revenue collected goes towards entitlements, which leaves 34% for everything else. Health insurance for the poor will eat up that 34% leaving nothing for defense. But I am sure that is ok for you libs who thinks the USA should be ruled by OBAMA and the UN!

Since you pay NO TAXES like Smutt Romney intends to pay NO TAXES you America-hating, cheapskate leeches have only lying to hide your nefarious activities.

Everyone knows that Bush trashed this economy. Bush trashed the economy that was ON TRACK TO PAY OFF THE NATIONAL DEBT by 2010.

That is how badly you Republiscum trashed this economy.

You people suck. You people killed this economy, ran up the debt, took us over and over and over and over (still doing it this Jan) to the brink of financial catastrophe because you hate America and want this country to fail.

A vote for Ryan/Romney/Antichrist 2012 is a vote for financial catastrohe...Bush 2.0.

[OregonSUX]

xxxrayted wrote:

Edit: Democrats preach about higher taxes and then try to pay the least amount of taxes.

No one preaches about higher taxes you dufus. Democrats talk about responsibly paying our bills unlike Ryan/Romney who want middle class America to pay the bills of billionaires and global corporations.

You are just another cheapskate, leech Republiscum. You want everything the US provides but want others to pay the bill.

That is 100% of the economic policy of Ryan/Romney/Antichrist 2012: billionaires pay ZERO taxes but get 99% of the benefits. The middle class pays 100% of taxes but gets 1% of the benefits.

We understand exactly what you are saying.

[OregonSUX]

xxxrayted wrote:

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For your information, nobody has more tax evaders than the Obama staff. At least Republicans run on lower taxes and try to get those low tax rates. Dumbocrats preach about lower taxes and try to pay the least amount of taxes themselves. Just ask John FFFFF Kerry about his boat. Look up John Edwards and his legal tricks to get out of paying into the Medicare system. Warren Buffett is fighting the IRS because he believes one of his companies is paying too much tax.
Dumbocrats = hypocrites and liars.

You are supporting a tax dodger who has managed to amass $102 million in his private IRA.

How did he do that? Do the math.

Your Mormon Messiah is also, quite probably, a FELON and possibly even someone who committed VOTER FRAUD.

Of all the Republiscum in your smelly swamp this is the kind of human garbage you push on the USA? This is why you are America-haters.

[xxxrayted]

OregonSUX wrote:

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No one preaches about higher taxes you dufus. Democrats talk about responsibly paying our bills unlike Ryan/Romney who want middle class America to pay the bills of billionaires and global corporations.
You are just another cheapskate, leech Republiscum. You want everything the US provides but want others to pay the bill..

No, that would be you socialists. Socialists want to sponge off the system and send the bill to the wealthy. The US provides for all citizens, but 47% of our citizens pay no federal income taxes. Those taxes are paid by a little over half of the people in our country. If that's not bad enough, the Socialists want them to pay even more.

[xxxrayted]

OregonSUX wrote:

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You are supporting a tax dodger who has managed to amass $102 million in his private IRA.
How did he do that? Do the math.
Your Mormon Messiah is also, quite probably, a FELON and possibly even someone who committed VOTER FRAUD.
Of all the Republiscum in your smelly swamp this is the kind of human garbage you push on the USA? This is why you are America-haters.

What a complete idiot you are. Don't come to a gunfight armed with a knife. People who amass large amounts of money do put those assets into tax shelters such as IRA's. It's not a Romney thing, it's common practice. To your chagrin, legal to boot. Did the Democrat Presidency, Congress and Senate change those rules when they all held majorities? Hell no. Like most Republican great ideas, they kept it.

American haters are not those who want less federal government in their lives, American haters are those who want more; just like you.

[OzRitz]

xxxrayted wrote:

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Where are the jobs? The money is overseas and will stay there until DumBama is out of office. Commie Care scares the hell out of them not to mention that every other speech by DumBama has to do with his desire to raise income taxes on people making over $250,000 per year.
....... Canada has less than half of the corporate tax that we do. What's to think about?

Find me a major company in the US that actually pays the stated rate ?? You will probably count them with both hands. Why because everyone exploits loop holes in the system to aviod tax. So it would be better to close those loop holes and drop the tax to 30% which is on par with everyone else. That I thought was Obama's plan only it hits the wall everytime any of these ideas turn themselves into a bill before congress.

Secondly all this so called commie care, keeping their money in their pocket because of taxes is BS. I'm an investor but I do not see any return on my money if a Republican is elected. So that's why I and millions like me are waiting to see the results of the US elections. Because smart investors know, the more spending power the greater percentage of the population the faster the growth and the bigger returns. Tax is NEVER an issue if the returns are coming in. If Romney is elected I can tell you now the stock market will spike up after the elections then within 6 mths it will tank again. Every bit as bad as 2008 because they know low taxes is NEVER going to stop the flow of jobs off shore. Then deprive the bulk of your population from disposible income and the house of cards collapses. Then even the wealthy will see their incomes plummet. So please don't try and tell me, investors are moving off shore because of taxes or government regs. Its the biggest smoke screen I ever heard.

[OzRitz]

Besides no one is selling Obama as perfect he is far from that. But his ideology is sound and that makes all the difference, we would all like some of those stupid entitlement programs to stop but its no easy quick fix. Because all this has been let happen over a number years. Now its sending cities broke because they can't pay pension plans which were plain stupid and way over the top. That is NOT Obama's fault thou, its at the state and county level. Where Unions seem to have too much influence in elections.

But in the big picture stuff Obama has it more together than Romney especially foriegn policy and fiscal policies. They are the two main players for any economy.

[OregonSUX]

xxxrayted wrote:

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What a complete idiot you are. Don't come to a gunfight armed with a knife. People who amass large amounts of money do put those assets into tax shelters such as IRA's. It's not a Romney thing, it's common practice. To your chagrin, legal to boot. Did the Democrat Presidency, Congress and Senate change those rules when they all held majorities? Hell no. Like most Republican great ideas, they kept it.
American haters are not those who want less federal government in their lives, American haters are those who want more; just like you.

As usual you America-haters ignore Romney's TAX DODGING just as you ignore his FOUR TIME DRAFT DODGING. You are so far up his backside that your brain hasn't received oxygen in months.

How do you - do the math - get $102 Million into a personal IRA.

God, you are such a serf.

[OregonSUX]

xxxrayted wrote:

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No, that would be you socialists. Socialists want to sponge off the system and send the bill to the wealthy. The US provides for all citizens, but 47% of our citizens pay no federal income taxes. Those taxes are paid by a little over half of the people in our country. If that's not bad enough, the Socialists want them to pay even more.

6 Walton heirs own as much as the bottom 40% of Americans.

6 people own as much as 126 million Americans.

I know you are too stupid and full of GOPOX **** to comprehend this but that is dangerous for democracy and the Waltons still want more out of the hides of the previously middle class.

You and other stupids like you echo the Germans during the rise of Hitler. History does not repeat but it certainly does echo.

[xxxrayted]

OzRitz wrote:

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Find me a major company in the US that actually pays the stated rate ?? You will probably count them with both hands. Why because everyone exploits loop holes in the system to aviod tax. So it would be better to close those loop holes and drop the tax to 30% which is on par with everyone else. That I thought was Obama's plan only it hits the wall everytime any of these ideas turn themselves into a bill before congress.
Secondly all this so called commie care, keeping their money in their pocket because of taxes is BS. I'm an investor but I do not see any return on my money if a Republican is elected. So that's why I and millions like me are waiting to see the results of the US elections. Because smart investors know, the more spending power the greater percentage of the population the faster the growth and the bigger returns. Tax is NEVER an issue if the returns are coming in. If Romney is elected I can tell you now the stock market will spike up after the elections then within 6 mths it will tank again. Every bit as bad as 2008 because they know low taxes is NEVER going to stop the flow of jobs off shore. Then deprive the bulk of your population from disposible income and the house of cards collapses. Then even the wealthy will see their incomes plummet. So please don't try and tell me, investors are moving off shore because of taxes or government regs. Its the biggest smoke screen I ever heard.

You don't have to take my word for it. It's all over the internet in business articles such as the Wall Street Journal. I'm just telling you what these company heads tell the media when asked about why they don't bring money back to the US.

I think you better recalculate your financial strategy when it comes to the outcome of our presidential election. We are about to get hit with massive taxes in 2013 unless Romney and the Republicans can get into office and put a stop to it. Many believe it will set off such a domino effect that it will take us into a recession similar to the last one.

Romney and Obama have demonstrated what they know about business and finances. One is a complete failure, and the other is a complete success. My money is on the guy who is a complete success. Everybody else can vote for who they want to.

Be careful what you wish for, it just may come true. This is because (in my opinion) voters are getting dumber and dumber every election. 30 years ago, a guy like Obama wouldn't have stood a chance at getting the presidency; not because he's half-black, but because he has no real political or business experience. Today, these dopes vote on our electors like they vote for their American Idol on television. Obama is a complete failure as President, yet he is running neck and neck with Romney. That's how bad it is in our country today when it comes to voters.

[xxxrayted]

OregonSUX wrote:

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As usual you America-haters ignore Romney's TAX DODGING just as you ignore his FOUR TIME DRAFT DODGING. You are so far up his backside that your brain hasn't received oxygen in months.
How do you - do the math - get $102 Million into a personal IRA.
God, you are such a serf.

Yes, he did a smart thing with money. Too bad your dopey President can't do the same. He's wasting our money on companies like Solyndra and BS stimulus nonsense that never worked.

[xxxrayted]

OregonSUX wrote:

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6 Walton heirs own as much as the bottom 40% of Americans.
6 people own as much as 126 million Americans.
I know you are too stupid and full of GOPOX **** to comprehend this but that is dangerous for democracy and the Waltons still want more out of the hides of the previously middle class.
You and other stupids like you echo the Germans during the rise of Hitler. History does not repeat but it certainly does echo.

It's only in Hitler type of minds that think when a person earns money, government must take it away from them just because they want to. Communists, dictators and Socialists believe that all money belongs to government, and it's government that decides on everybody's lifestyle.