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Asking

Junction City, KS

#1 Jul 28, 2012
I'd like to know the responses of religious people, especially Christians and Jews, to the above question. Why does God allow rape of children (everything from scandals within the Catholic Church to the child prostitution rings in third world countries)? Would not a loving God not allow such a thing to happen?

I have heard many excuses ranging from free will (which would seem to disprove the concept of both an all loving and omnipotent God, since that would mean that, if he has the ability to stop such occurrences, he chooses to let humans wreak havoc simply because he does not want to interfere with the will of sinful people) to "God has a plan for all this" (which would mean that the theoretically both omnipotent and all loving God requires child rape to further his "glorious plans"). Such explanations don't seem to make sense to me.

Why would God allow a system where a child who is innocent (or, at least has done nothing evil yet) to be raped? Is it that God knows that kid is going to do something worthy of a raping later on in life? Why would God create a system where such events are necessary for growth and strength in God? I get the whole free will concept, and the Joyce Meyer comment is insightful, yet one must wonder. Why would God create a world where such events are allowed to occur?

Consider the following; why did God create creatures that would have such urges? We have the urges, but we were created the way we were. Why do we have such urges? Is it the Fall? Why did God allow a system where one couple's actions would affect the rest of humanity negatively? How is that fair to all children raped? Is it Satan? Why did God create a creature which would be able to (and apparently does) such evil things, if he sees all? Why would he not stop Satan before such evil happens?

I'd like to hear from the mouths of the devoted, from those who would spend their time on Topix defending their faith. Why does God allow child rape? I suppose this can also be a question of why does God allow the innocent to suffer in general, but that is probably a slightly different topic.

All of you anti-religious posters please be assured that I understand your perceptions of God over such an issue (there's no God, he doesn't care, he's a sick creature, etc); that's why I am asking the question above. I am looking for a sincere anonimous conversation.

The bottom line I think would be either God isn't all powerful and all loving in which case the Bible and Tora are complete works of fiction therefore "God" doesn't exist or God is imperfect and therfore can't care for and look out for all of us or God doesnt exist.

If a child that was raped makes it to Heaven, what do you suppose God could possibly say to that child to justify the rape?

If you knew your father stood around watching a child get raped but he had the absolute ability to stop it, would you view your father differently?

What must Jesus think?

“Dump Brownback ”

Since: Oct 10

Junction City KS

#2 Jul 28, 2012
Asking wrote:
The bottom line I think would be either God isn't all powerful and all loving in which case the Bible and Tora are complete works of fiction therefore "God" doesn't exist or God is imperfect and therfore can't care for and look out for all of us or God doesnt exist.
This is kind of the thesis of Rabbi Harold Kushner's "Why Bad Things Happen to Good People" - the first part, that is. God is not "all-powerful". It's kind of like somehow there are limitations on Superman's strength, heat visiion, and freezing breath - that God is subject to physical laws. but the conclusions do not follow from that. God is not Santa Claus. everybody prays. Some right-wing preachers claim they pray for good parking spaces and they get them every time. They're lying their asses off when they say that. God is not responsible for men's crimes.
If a child that was raped makes it to Heaven, what do you suppose God could possibly say to that child to justify the rape?
If you knew your father stood around watching a child get raped but he had the absolute ability to stop it, would you view your father differently? What must Jesus think?
Well, since he got crucified between two theives...

A god who could provide on a whim good parking spaces for those he likes and parking spaces blocks away for those he doesn't wouldn't be much of a god.
LOL

Junction City, KS

#3 Jul 28, 2012
The Kangaroo wrote:
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This is kind of the thesis of Rabbi Harold Kushner's "Why Bad Things Happen to Good People" - the first part, that is. God is not "all-powerful". It's kind of like somehow there are limitations on Superman's strength, heat visiion, and freezing breath - that God is subject to physical laws. but the conclusions do not follow from that. God is not Santa Claus. everybody prays. Some right-wing preachers claim they pray for good parking spaces and they get them every time. They're lying their asses off when they say that. God is not responsible for men's crimes.
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Well, since he got crucified between two theives...
A god who could provide on a whim good parking spaces for those he likes and parking spaces blocks away for those he doesn't wouldn't be much of a god.
LOL !! God loves rich people like me. LOL !!!
LOL

Junction City, KS

#4 Jul 28, 2012
If you are trying to find it, the book is titled "When Bad Things Happen to Good People".

It was a good read but for me personally it really was more of a side-track than an answer. In Kushners rabbinical style he poses more questions than he answers so I am not sure that book is going to give you the answer you hope for.

Kushner ultimately comes to the conclusion "God" is not omnipotent and that "we must move beyond the question of “why did this happen?” and find an answer to the question “what can I do now that is has happened?”

This link goes to Jacksons Gift where there is a rather thorough review of the book.

http://www.jacksonsgift.com/suggested-reading...

Another good read on the subject of traumatic incident recovery would be Dr. Mark Lerners "Its Ok Not To Be OK -...Right Now (How to Live Through a Traumatic Experience)

http://www.amazon.com/OK-Right-Live-Through-T...

I hope you find the answers you are looking for.

“Dump Brownback ”

Since: Oct 10

Junction City KS

#5 Jul 29, 2012
LOL wrote:
If you are trying to find it, the book is titled "When Bad Things Happen to Good People".
That's what I said, Jerry.
It was a good read but for me personally it really was more of a side-track than an answer. In Kushners rabbinical style he poses more questions than he answers so I am not sure that book is going to give you the answer you hope for.
Kushner ultimately comes to the conclusion "God" is not omnipotent and that "we must move beyond the question of “why did this happen?” and find an answer to the question “what can I do now that is has happened?”
Exactly the point - he doesn't accept the illusion that there are some (answers).
LOL

Junction City, KS

#6 Jul 30, 2012
Not trying to start another pissing contest but:

You gave the title as "Why" not "When".

You post your opinion of the book as if it were doctrine when it is just another opinion...as is mine.

This person seems to be looking for answers to a direct question as opposed to a distraction.

I simply pointed that out before they went and purchased the book expecting something more.

I also gave them an alternative to address the deeper conflict.

Have a good day, George.
LOL

Junction City, KS

#7 Jul 30, 2012
FTR: There is another book called "Why Do Bad Things Happen to Good People" by David Arnold.

This book approaches the subject from a primarily Christian Fundamentalist perspective.

It is more or less a Biblical quote laden book with the same old assurances about God's great mysteries.

Doubtful they would get the answers they are looking for there either.
The truth

Baldwin City, KS

#9 Aug 7, 2012
This is the devils playground!!! God gives people choices!
answer

Junction City, KS

#10 Aug 7, 2012
Why does God allow child rape ? Hmmmm... good question for Edwin Young. The tabernaclers are in shock and awe about a similar ongoing situation that happened under their noses while they blindly followed a hustler. LOL!!!
cronn
#11 Aug 17, 2012
I knew since day one that I was my own God I created myself and will create myself again after death..
cronn
#12 Aug 17, 2012
you created your own dam self..

you are probably a liar and it's probably not even your first life..
cronn
#13 Aug 17, 2012
God is just an inner concept.. that man hides from it'sself..

man created Gods laws.. and heaven and hell.. but they are still applicable..

is my take on it..
cronn
#14 Aug 17, 2012
God is not real but he's still real and is activated as if he were real even while not being real..

but only because of something you did..

and prayer works but does't work.. because everyone is a kind of God..

with influence on the universe..

and someone hates your friend and gave them a disease with their mind..
cronn
#15 Aug 17, 2012
Jesus isn't God he's just a guy that had the most powers..
cronn
#16 Aug 17, 2012
we all have powers..

how the hel you think olympics works..

some of that is metaphysical..
boo

Gadsden, AL

#17 Aug 22, 2012
cronn wrote:
God is not real but he's still real and is activated as if he were real even while not being real..
but only because of something you did..
and prayer works but does't work.. because everyone is a kind of God..
with influence on the universe..
and someone hates your friend and gave them a disease with their mind..
You don't make any sense whatsoever. Stop talking!!!
boo

Gadsden, AL

#19 Aug 22, 2012
cronn wrote:
we all have powers..
how the hel you think olympics works..
some of that is metaphysical..
Conn get a brain stupid
cronn

Runnemede, NJ

#20 Aug 23, 2012
but here is the thing.. the fact that I don't make sense.. opens your eyes up to the fact that life doesn't make any sense in the first place...

what makes sense tell me one thing that makes sense and why..

Why does the olympics make any sense if everyone is genetically equal..

what is the point we should have mastered it and reached the highest level by now..
cronn

Runnemede, NJ

#21 Aug 23, 2012
boo wrote:
<quoted text>Conn get a brain stupid
I already know..

but you thought I didn't know.

So you reacted as if you knew for a fact that I had no clue I in fact did and anticipated your response..

but it meant nothing because I needed you to realize .. how hard it is.. to come up with an answer to this question..
cronn

Runnemede, NJ

#22 Aug 23, 2012
well if you think about it when God allows a criminal to do bad things it pleases the victim to see that criminal put to justice..

then God made the criminal FOR the victim so that he could milk praise out of the victim..

why would you even ask didn't you read the bible??

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