Faith Tabernacle
Being your own priest

Seattle, WA

#1760 Aug 27, 2012
Darnell wrote:
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Seriously? Sexually? When I used the word intimate some automatically place that word to mean something of sexual context or something more lascivious.. Don't point a finger at me when you obviously have no idea what I meant. Resides in me? Maybe alot of carnality but perversion? Come on, you TRULY are just asinine. Give me a break. My desire is more important? You're ridiculous lol.. Check your ignorant assumptions at the door before you come railing at me with your vain jangling. It's unwarranted, unsolicited and unnecessary.
See, that is the shortcoming of religions that don't preach the way so many are opposing. We need the whole scripture not just what we choose. This, honestly was Young's shortcoming. He wouldn't be preached to, though. He banned preachers who preached on his sin. Many of you are of the same spirit and deny it. Don't say I am wrong for this or that. A sponge will never sharpen iron. The Bible still says be holy in all manner of conversation and avoid the very appearance of evil. Since television was talked about, tell me the appearance of evil doesn't exist with it. Oh, we can control it. No, you can't. The Bible says flee fornication. That is the only scripture you really need. Television is filled with fornication. I get riled up by excuse makers. Especially the rebellious who want to play a sympathy role for us poor brainwashed believers. Get the iniquity out of your heart and repent. You spineless, weak wannabe Christians. Jesus Christ went through hours of torment for your soul, but you cry about hard preaching and standards. Young was an infidel, period. The ones hurt need support, but you take this opportunity to support your backsliding and rail on Elder Dudley a good man. Get a backbone and be sharpened!
ftabmember

Denver, CO

#1763 Aug 27, 2012
Being your own priest wrote:
<quoted text> Since television was talked about, tell me the appearance of evil doesn't exist with it. Oh, we can control it. No, you can't. The Bible says flee fornication. That is the only scripture you really need. Television is filled with fornication.
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"Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled".....Titus 1:15

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CarolinaFathead

United States

#1764 Aug 27, 2012
Darnell wrote:
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I'm going to tell you just like I would tell Dunlap, Bow, Dudley, Young or anyone. Television pales in wickedness to the Internet. If I were a pastor I'd ban your tail from being on a stupid forum posting your nonsense quicker than I would an individual owning a television. If you can prove to me tv is worse than Internet I'll shut up. You cannot.
Checkmate
CarolinaFathead

United States

#1765 Aug 27, 2012
ftabmember wrote:
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"Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled".....Titus 1:15
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Checkmate again
Whoop there it is

Fishers, IN

#1766 Aug 27, 2012
Being your own priest wrote:
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See, that is the shortcoming of religions that don't preach the way so many are opposing. We need the whole scripture not just what we choose. This, honestly was Young's shortcoming. He wouldn't be preached to, though. He banned preachers who preached on his sin. Many of you are of the same spirit and deny it. Don't say I am wrong for this or that. A sponge will never sharpen iron. The Bible still says be holy in all manner of conversation and avoid the very appearance of evil. Since television was talked about, tell me the appearance of evil doesn't exist with it. Oh, we can control it. No, you can't. The Bible says flee fornication. That is the only scripture you really need. Television is filled with fornication. I get riled up by excuse makers. Especially the rebellious who want to play a sympathy role for us poor brainwashed believers. Get the iniquity out of your heart and repent. You spineless, weak wannabe Christians. Jesus Christ went through hours of torment for your soul, but you cry about hard preaching and standards. Young was an infidel, period. The ones hurt need support, but you take this opportunity to support your backsliding and rail on Elder Dudley a good man. Get a backbone and be sharpened!
Standards don't save anyone. A true relationship with God does. I have seen people not have a television but play terrible ungodly video games because they followed a standard but did not have a relationship with God's Spirit. Hmmmm convictions are God given not man mandated. It is so funny how people think rules can make us holy. His blood and Spirit make us holy. How is it that people can speak in tongues and then run down other saints because they have different standards. Really don't put what your church teaches on other churches. Just live it yourself but if I don't keep your church standards what business is that of yours!!!! Funny how the Bible says not to compare ourselves among ourselves because that is not wise, but you constantly compare others to you. Did you die on the cross for me, or heal me, or deliver me??? Answer that one. Where were you last year when I was sick? Did your name heal me? Answer this if u can. If I needed a financial blessing should I call on your name or should I call your church to help me?? No so please live whatever way u want but don't you dare compare me to your church standards. If I went to your church and talked about your Pastor being liberal because other churches or religions have stricter rules like no watches, no remarriage, no video games, etc. and ran him down you would get mad and so would he and ask me to keep my opinions to myself. How do you think God feels when you cause division in his kingdom on a macro level by you or your Pastor putting their mouths on other saints or Pastors because they don't have the same standards. See you justify yourself or your Pastor on a macro level against other saints or Pastors but will kick people out for doing it on a micro level in your church!!!'. Hypocrites!!! I went to my Pastor and told him when he said something about another Pastor one time. I did it humbly and respectfully and he thanked me and I have never heard him do it again. Can you talk to your Pastor that way or do you fear him more than God?
yada yada yada

Melrose Park, IL

#1767 Aug 27, 2012
Being your own priest wrote:
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See, that is the shortcoming of religions that don't preach the way so many are opposing. We need the whole scripture not just what we choose. This, honestly was Young's shortcoming. He wouldn't be preached to, though. He banned preachers who preached on his sin. Many of you are of the same spirit and deny it. Don't say I am wrong for this or that. A sponge will never sharpen iron. The Bible still says be holy in all manner of conversation and avoid the very appearance of evil. Since television was talked about, tell me the appearance of evil doesn't exist with it. Oh, we can control it. No, you can't. The Bible says flee fornication. That is the only scripture you really need. Television is filled with fornication. I get riled up by excuse makers. Especially the rebellious who want to play a sympathy role for us poor brainwashed believers. Get the iniquity out of your heart and repent. You spineless, weak wannabe Christians. Jesus Christ went through hours of torment for your soul, but you cry about hard preaching and standards. Young was an infidel, period. The ones hurt need support, but you take this opportunity to support your backsliding and rail on Elder Dudley a good man. Get a backbone and be sharpened!
A men brother God knows the voice of His sheep.
yada yada yada

Melrose Park, IL

#1768 Aug 27, 2012
ftabmember wrote:
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"Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled".....Titus 1:15
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Since when is a one eyed devil,sewer pipe line from hell pure?????
ftabmember

Denver, CO

#1769 Aug 27, 2012
yada yada yada wrote:
<quoted text> Since when is a one eyed devil,sewer pipe line from hell pure?????
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I don't see anyone forcing you to believe what God says.

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Whoops there it is

Fishers, IN

#1770 Aug 27, 2012
yada yada yada wrote:
<quoted text> Since when is a one eyed devil,sewer pipe line from hell pure?????
He was not saying that it is pure. He was saying he is pure and that he won't use it for impure things.
Examples:
1. I have the Internet but I do not use it to do evil things. The Internet is not evil of itself but people who are not pure use it for evil because they are not pure in their motives.
2. I have a PS3 but I do not use it for evil, games or videos, the PS3 does not control what I use it for, I do.
3. I have a car but I do not sell drugs from it, or meet young girls for adulterous affairs with it. My car is not good or evil, but it does whatever I want it too.

Hey make your standards as tight as you want!!! But let me ask you something. When was the last time you went and got some poor kids and brought them to your house and had a BBQ and taught a bible study and then used your money and bought them food and clothes and did without? When was the last time you taught three bible studies in one week??? When was the last time you drove 2.5 hours and picked up people for church and then took them home with your gas money and did without so they could be in church???? What is your personal "standard" for spending on souls every month?? What is your personal "standard".of how many people you bring to church in your cars??? How many people have you brought to church in the last year that are still there? How many hours have you spent in your home cooking meals for people to come over and teach bible studies week after week??? What is the standard in your church for these things??? When was the last time you took your money and went and bought pizzas and sodas for kids who moms and dads are crack heads and took them to the park for some fun and games???? Why is it that the Apostles were always out teaching in houses and in the streets but today's Men of God rarely leave their office or house and when was the last time your Pastor was teaching a home Bible Study to a sinner??? Peter was an Apostle but he went to Samaria and then to Cornelius to teach a home Bible Study!!!!! Oh wait but at least your not wearing ankle socks, short sleeves, jewelry, don't have a television, don't this don't that. In all your don'ts why don't you learn to pray and do something to build the kingdom!!!! Just a hint for you: running down others to make yourself feel good is not building anything except your ego!!!!! If you are really all that then give me ten people in your church that you have personally taught a bible study to, spent over $200.00 in cash on and 20 hours with. I am so sick of people comparing others to a outward standard, let's see who has spent more time with sinners and have actually birth some babies into the kingdom.
Truth Hurts

Fond Du Lac, WI

#1772 Aug 27, 2012
ftabmember wrote:
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I want to make something clear. My posts are passionate because my spirit resists the spirit in men like Edwin and Dudley and any man who would scream his demands for perfect control over the personal lives and souls of the sheep by continually crossing the line God set for what his servant-shepherds should be.
I do believe there are some folks in these kinds of congregations who truly desire a close and happy walk with God. But sadly, I also believe they can never attain to that as long as they choose to suffer these hyper-controlling men who demand perfect obedience to themselves in exchange for salvation.
In a very real sense I think that God's salvation 'by faith' may be more difficult for these folks than the salvation 'by works' taught in these churches, as each one swallows the lie of his pastor that he really can 'measure up' and pay for his own salvation. Oh how different that is from the soul who has surrendered his own righteousness for the righteousness paid by Jesus for sin.
My prayer is that each member of these churches will wake up and simply put his rest and his hope in Jesus, and stop looking to unkind pastors and themselves as the be-all end-all of salvation.
I would love to see all of these sheep memorize the following passage so that you can know each and every day the Spirit that is in the heart of a true shepherd....
"Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light." (Matt 11:28-30)
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How would you explain the scripture that says
"obey them that have the RULE over you, and SUBMIT yourselves for they watch for your souls." ????!!
Being your own priest

Seattle, WA

#1773 Aug 27, 2012
Darnell wrote:
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I'm going to tell you just like I would tell Dunlap, Bow, Dudley, Young or anyone. Television pales in wickedness to the Internet. If I were a pastor I'd ban your tail from being on a stupid forum posting your nonsense quicker than I would an individual owning a television. If you can prove to me tv is worse than Internet I'll shut up. You cannot.
The Internet can be filtered successfully. It is also a necessity in a lot of careers. Television is not a necessity nor can it be filtered. You are talking out of the side of your neck, too. Here you are on the Internet. You seem very familiar with Apostolic preachers. However, I was taught by Bishop Tom Johnson. I am in Washington for a short time. I will be returning to Colorado soon. As far as who I am or my pastor is not significant. What is significant is what you believe. My Pastor does not allow free rein with the Internet. We don't subscribe to Facebook and the like. What purpose is there in television? We live in an entertainment saturated society whose belly is their god. Why is it so difficult to not have a tv, dress modestly, etc.? It is selfishness Plain and simple. The reason I posted here was I went through molestation as a child. A good friend of mine in CO did also and we are going to write a book. Years later, even with the Holy Ghost, we still deal with insecurities from it. However, we both believe in strong standards and preaching. We cherish that protection. We love our pastors. They gave more to us than just the truth. They put manhood in us that was horribly stripped away. They loved us when everything was coming apart inside. You really have no clue the damage it causes. Yet, I will not rail against good men of God that preach it straight. They themselves love being preached to. They are honest humble men who believe God can straighten out any life. It is interesting the further you get away from that kind of preaching, the more programs appear in the church. We don't need programs. We need solid strong preaching, prayer, fasting, humility, and a backbone to stand in this evil hour. Drive on, drill sergeant with your foolishness and you will fall. Those that can be shaken will be shaken.
Persuaded and guide

Waterford, MI

#1775 Aug 28, 2012
Truth Hurts wrote:
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How would you explain the scripture that says
"obey them that have the RULE over you, and SUBMIT yourselves for they watch for your souls." ????!!
Maybe it would help to look up what the word 'obey' means in the Greek and where else this same word was used in the Bible and how it was translated.

It more closely means to be persuaded- in other words to be teachable.

It isn't the same Greek word that was translated 'obey' in Hebrews 5:9, which does mean more about obedience to a command.

See http://concordances.org/greek/3982.htm Vines Expository Dictionary also says to persuade or win over. Vine's states, "The 'obedience' suggested is not by submission to authority, but resulting from persuasion." (Again, the Greek word here is not the same Greek word used in Hebrews 5:9, that would mean submission to authority.)

Rule means more to lead or guide.

It would be better said, "be persuaded of them that guide you." Jesus made it clear that no believers were to lord it over another believer. The one who wishes to be greater, is to be a servant.

Consider, too, what the Bible teaches about the character of a pastor (such as slow to anger). And how when Paul spoke to the Bereans, they went and searched it out for themselves, to see if what Paul taught was true. They were being teachable, yet at the same time they wanted to know for themselves. The Bible also speaks of submitting one to another.

All these things and more must be taken into consideration when applying this passage. You cannot isolate a verse like this and not look at what the rest of the Bible says.
yada yada yada

Melrose Park, IL

#1778 Aug 28, 2012
Whoops there it is wrote:
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He was not saying that it is pure. He was saying he is pure and that he won't use it for impure things.
Examples:
1. I have the Internet but I do not use it to do evil things. The Internet is not evil of itself but people who are not pure use it for evil because they are not pure in their motives.
2. I have a PS3 but I do not use it for evil, games or videos, the PS3 does not control what I use it for, I do.
3. I have a car but I do not sell drugs from it, or meet young girls for adulterous affairs with it. My car is not good or evil, but it does whatever I want it too.
Hey make your standards as tight as you want!!! But let me ask you something. When was the last time you went and got some poor kids and brought them to your house and had a BBQ and taught a bible study and then used your money and bought them food and clothes and did without? When was the last time you taught three bible studies in one week??? When was the last time you drove 2.5 hours and picked up people for church and then took them home with your gas money and did without so they could be in church???? What is your personal "standard" for spending on souls every month?? What is your personal "standard".of how many people you bring to church in your cars??? How many people have you brought to church in the last year that are still there? How many hours have you spent in your home cooking meals for people to come over and teach bible studies week after week??? What is the standard in your church for these things??? When was the last time you took your money and went and bought pizzas and sodas for kids who moms and dads are crack heads and took them to the park for some fun and games???? Why is it that the Apostles were always out teaching in houses and in the streets but today's Men of God rarely leave their office or house and when was the last time your Pastor was teaching a home Bible Study to a sinner??? Peter was an Apostle but he went to Samaria and then to Cornelius to teach a home Bible Study!!!!! Oh wait but at least your not wearing ankle socks, short sleeves, jewelry, don't have a television, don't this don't that. In all your don'ts why don't you learn to pray and do something to build the kingdom!!!! Just a hint for you: running down others to make yourself feel good is not building anything except your ego!!!!! If you are really all that then give me ten people in your church that you have personally taught a bible study to, spent over $200.00 in cash on and 20 hours with. I am so sick of people comparing others to a outward standard, let's see who has spent more time with sinners and have actually birth some babies into the kingdom.
That one eyes devil will send you go hell and you know it. You can't even watch commercials without the Appearance Of Evil!!!
Whoops there it is

Fishers, IN

#1780 Aug 28, 2012
yada yada yada wrote:
<quoted text> That one eyes devil will send you go hell and you know it. You can't even watch commercials without the Appearance Of Evil!!!
Yeah that's what I thought all faith and no works!!! Led by man and not by the Spirit. No answer about making a difference in people's lives. You live a life of what you don't do but I live a life of works which shows relationship with the Spirit. The reason why the Apostles were soul winners was because they were led by the Spirit to hungry souls. Philip with the eunuch, peter with Cornelius, Paul all over Asia, but you none. Brother that is your problem you think you are right with God because you keep a set of standards but you are naked and blind. Jesus came to seek and save that which was lost and commanded us to go and teach. I don't have time to do evil because I am so busy about my Fathers business. The sin of Sodom and Gomorrha was not homosexuality, that was the result from the sin of fullness of bread and idleness. Since you dont watch television you should have plenty of tine to be out winning souls. Once again answer me on the questions I asked you in the previous post.
CarolinaFathead

United States

#1781 Aug 28, 2012
What's even more damning to these "holiness" churches is the fact that you're not going to find a more restricting, constricting, and rules oriented church than faith tabernacle yet here we have one of the most lascivious scandalous, and lewd stories I have ever heard of. You couldn't even make this up on "the one eyed devil"! Yet we are supposed to believe these standards and convictions actually STOP people from doing things contrary to the spirit? Is someone actually coming on this thread, of all threads, to argue that insanity? Oh the irony. I've said it once and I'll say it again, im amazed at the things peope post/say before they think about what they are saying. Its called a brain to mouth filter like the old sayig goes, its best to keep your mouth shut and let people think you are an idiot than open it up and prove you are

These same peope condemning Darnell and others a two months ago wouldn't have hesitated a second to run to the defense of Edwin and Jordan young and railing on anyone criticizing them because he was "a powerful man of god". Thats the really rich irony of this situation edwin wasnt some "pansy lib" preacher he was a conservative stalwart ,a hero , and all these "holiness" posters on this thread would have done anytjing for him(pastor worship). Yet here they are a month later throwing him under the bus. Hey how do you know your pastors aren't as lascivious as Edwin and his son? Because they teach multitudes of standards? Really?
Joker

Clay City, IL

#1782 Aug 28, 2012
I think men who have a pierced ear are better prepared for marriage. They've experienced pain and bought jewelry.
Joker

Clay City, IL

#1783 Aug 28, 2012
I was in the express lane at the supermarket today and a woman slipped ahead of me pushing a cart piled high with groceries. Really burnt my biscuits. Imagine my delight when the cashier told the woman to come forward, looked into her cart and asked sweetly,'So which six items would you like to buy?'. Made my day.
Smh

Kansas City, MO

#1784 Aug 28, 2012
Darnell wrote:
<quoted text> yes very well said tv internet video games yes there can be crazy stuff on there but that's not gonna stop someone from having faith in the lord its just away of living an wearing certain clothes also ain't gonna stop u from having faith in the lord. Cuz look what done happened in this church makes u wonder so I say keep prayin an live life to the fullest u can watch tv an still go to church even tho jc says its not a church its an orginization that's why they do the things they do cuz god says come as u are I'm just sayin
Well said.
thanks
casual observer

Casselberry, FL

#1785 Aug 28, 2012
This discussion is getting seriously off course. Allow me to take back this thread to its original focus.

EY and JY need prayer and forgiveness from God. If anyone choses to give them mercy then it should be considered a gift. That said there are a few things that I think are important to say.

First of all, in cases of immoral sin even though God's forgiveness is instantaneous true restoration takes time to complete. We can forgive EW and JW but they must earn the trust of the people again--which may well be the rest of their lives.

Secondly, if any laws have been broken then justice must be served for the sake of the victims. At this point these are mere allegations that have been made and it is JY's right to a fair trial as an American. If he is found guilty then he should be punished accordingly.

Furthermore, I personally remember hearing EY preach on several occasions. The condescending tone that he used toward people who had failed God was merciless. Everyone who thinks that he is being treated too harshly should understand that he is simply reaping what he has sown. He should expect that people would be disappointed in him. He should also expect that their reaction would be the equivalent to what he gave to others But be warned that there will come a day when you will need mercy. How do you want people to treat you when you fail?

Lastly, Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.(Galations 6:1)
Whoops there it is

Fishers, IN

#1787 Aug 28, 2012
yada yada yada wrote:
<quoted text> That one eyes devil will send you go hell and you know it. You can't even watch commercials without the Appearance Of Evil!!!
Why didn't you tell that to brother Edwin when he was spending so much time with young ladies of the church right in front of your eyes. Because if you did he would have rebuked you and you live in fear and not in faith. You don't think anyone should be able to question the "Man of God". But a true Man of God is humble and will listen to a sincere person. A man has authority over his wife but she has the right to question him about issues which directly affect her. He does not have the right to yell at her or mistreat her. Any Pastor who has a problem with accountability to his church Is prideful.

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