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Since: Sep 11

Salina, KS

#1 Dec 12, 2012
I am trying to figure out why being a right to work state is a bad thing, as mainstream media and President Obama put it. I think giving a worker a choice of being in the union, and paying union dues, would be a good thing. I feel that the unions dislike it because the union bosses are collecting their salary from the dues, and if you give a worker a right to choose, they will lose (possibly) their income. And the violence acts they did yesterday only push forward the view that unions are run by thugs and criminals. When I think of a union boss, mafia types always come to my mind. In my mind, the Union bosses are worse than career politicians, because they don't even try to hide the fact that they are only out for themselves. I am interested in opinions regarding why right to work is really anti union.

Since: Nov 12

Fort Riley, KS

#2 Dec 12, 2012
I think the idea that unions are needed is a bit outdated. They started as a very noble entity but, like most organizations, are easily corruptable. I don't think they are really needed anymore.
enigma

Sierra Vista, AZ

#4 Dec 12, 2012
Ditto JerBro. In general, unions have outlived their usefulness.

Just take a look at Hostess, for example.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#5 Dec 12, 2012
The concept one should not have to belong to an organized labor group while reaping the benefits of same is not correctly called "The Right to Work." It is the "Right to Shirk." It is to say to those heroes who perished that you would have the weekend off to languish in front of your big screen TV (which, BTW, you can afford because unions created a reality in which life is above a subsistence level for most) and say to those brought this to be, "Screw you, my pennies are more important than my honor."

Accordingly, it is a "right to work for less" law as well.

Since: Oct 10

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#6 Dec 12, 2012
enigma wrote:
Ditto JerBro. In general, unions have outlived their usefulness.
Just take a look at Hostess, for example.
Yes, look at it - and the bonuses paid to its executives for dismantling the company.
100 Percent Union

Junction City, KS

#7 Dec 12, 2012
It's interesting how many people think all the hard won things we take for granted, like weekends, health care, sick leave, vacation, overtime, etc., will be here to stay if unions disappear. People in my union sometimes gave their lives for those benefits, and we're not giving up without a fight. And anytime a person uses phrases like 'union bosses' or any of the talking points gingrich put out in 1994, and parroted by the conservative entertainment complex (such as fox news), I suspect that person gets their info from said complex. I would also suggest middle class folks have much less to fear from unions (whose officers are elected by the members) than from billionaires who spend millions to elect politicians who do their bidding in lame duck sessions, including a law saying their decision can't be undone by the voters.
100 Percent Union

Junction City, KS

#8 Dec 12, 2012
enigma wrote:
Ditto JerBro. In general, unions have outlived their usefulness.
Just take a look at Hostess, for example.
http://www.alternet.org/corpor ate-accountability-and-workpla ce/twinkie-ceo-admits-company- took-employees-pensions-and-pu t-it?paging=off
Mike

Rossville, KS

#9 Dec 12, 2012
100 Percent Union wrote:
It's interesting how many people think all the hard won things we take for granted, like weekends, health care, sick leave, vacation, overtime, etc., will be here to stay if unions disappear. People in my union sometimes gave their lives for those benefits, and we're not giving up without a fight. And anytime a person uses phrases like 'union bosses' or any of the talking points gingrich put out in 1994, and parroted by the conservative entertainment complex (such as fox news), I suspect that person gets their info from said complex. I would also suggest middle class folks have much less to fear from unions (whose officers are elected by the members) than from billionaires who spend millions to elect politicians who do their bidding in lame duck sessions, including a law saying their decision can't be undone by the voters.
All of those things are here forever, with or without any unions because employers want to attract and keep good employees. If the employer pulled benefits, employees would find someplace else that offers what they expect. Just like good wages, most employers seeking to keep skilled and technical workers have no choice but to offer a good wage (depending on the area and size & availability of the labor pool) because the employer down the street may want their skilled labor.

Government and unions should never interfere with market forces because all these interferences do is harm the market, its customers and the labor pool they claim to want to help.
dex

Marion, IL

#10 Dec 12, 2012
Mike,
Dont you get it. When the unions are gone then the companies can do whatever they want. They can cut your pay, benefits etc... And good luck finding something better because every company will do the same thing. There will be no good jobs left.
Mike

Rossville, KS

#11 Dec 12, 2012
That is an outright lie and you know it. The only ones who will get their pay & benefits cut are the former union people who negotiated astronomical wages and benefits, as well as negotiated (extorted) legacy costs to pay for benefits long after they are gone.

Good employers will always be good employers. Bad employers will always lose good employees. It is a fact of life.
dex

Marion, IL

#12 Dec 12, 2012
Mike,
Wrong again. When there are no unions left to set the benchmark, 40 hour weeks, paid overtime, livable wages, then companies will be able to do what they want. There will be no good jobs left, there will be no benefits. Most people are just jealous of union workers because they are mad they dont get paid a livable wage. Everyone should support the unions, they are there for the workers, without them big business will run amoke.
yay

United States

#13 Dec 13, 2012
dex wrote:
Mike,
Wrong again. When there are no unions left to set the benchmark, 40 hour weeks, paid overtime, livable wages, then companies will be able to do what they want. There will be no good jobs left, there will be no benefits. Most people are just jealous of union workers because they are mad they dont get paid a livable wage. Everyone should support the unions, they are there for the workers, without them big business will run amoke.
I'm in a union and I love it! Yay
yay

United States

#14 Dec 13, 2012
Is there such a thing as unpaid ot?
Mike

Rossville, KS

#15 Dec 13, 2012
dex, if you came to work for me, and you could produce more benefit for my company than you cost it, did your job and were respectful to others, you would be gainfully employed. If however you decided to form a union in order to extort from me that which your labors do not justify, your next task would be pounding the pavement, seeking other employment.

The amount I earn from MY business is MY business, not yours. I never hear one of you union dolts clamoring to protect people who risk their entire life savings, plus finance more than they could ever hope to repay if their business fails, but you certainly seek to bring them and their risked investment to their knees, forcing them to take losses because otherwise they may not be able to compete then you would have no job.

Extortion is illegal in any and every other venue, when not performed by unions, their leadership and their members. Not once has a union stepped forward and demanded that change be made to improve production, lower costs, make a company more profitable, or do what is in the best interest of the company while encouraging competition from others. THIS is the world business owners and CEOs live in, not that fantasy world of equal pie for everyone regardless of effort or merit.

The selfishness... the, "Me, me ME!" attitude displayed by you union thugs is perplexing. No individual risk taken, yet YOU expect to dictate the terms, otherwise you'll harm the business that employs you? I'd fire you in a second, just before Christmas, and not lose a moment of sleep.
Too Fking Bad

Junction City, KS

#16 Dec 13, 2012
Right to Work is like Right to Choose. It doesn't end Unions but it does give people a CHOICE!

Fewer than 12% of the United States workforce is Union.

Take out the government employees unions and that number drops to 7%.

Every time Right to Work is enacted, people leave unions in droves.

Every time Right to Work is enacted, unemploymebnt drops and our tax burden is lifted.

Go ahead and fuss and cry and stomp your feet.

People prefer Right to Work over Unions.

Unless you are one of the 7% afraid that you can't make it without Union protection. Pussy.
Ok Bob

Junction City, KS

#17 Dec 13, 2012
Too Fking Bad wrote:
Right to Work is like Right to Choose. It doesn't end Unions but it does give people a CHOICE!
Fewer than 12% of the United States workforce is Union.
Take out the government employees unions and that number drops to 7%.
Every time Right to Work is enacted, people leave unions in droves.
Every time Right to Work is enacted, unemploymebnt drops and our tax burden is lifted.
Go ahead and fuss and cry and stomp your feet.
People prefer Right to Work over Unions.
Unless you are one of the 7% afraid that you can't make it without Union protection. Pussy.
It`s easy for you and Birddawg to bash unions....with your pensions and health care coming from the taxpayers. The Army is much like a Union, you can join, but you don`t have to. Most enlist for the pay and perks, much more so than to do their "Patriotic Chore". Everybody wants good pay, benefits, and security. The JCPD and JCFD are unionized, and their pay has been frozen for a long time. The city manager is about to receive a 16 % raise. Of course that rankles them, as it should. If some perp is breaking down your door, or your house is in flames, are you going to refuse their help because they are "union thugs" ? Get real. Or build a shrine to the Carnegies and Rockefellers and worship the greedy Robber Barons. What goes around comes around, and THEY`RE BACK !!! And they don`t give a damn about you or your family, no matter what FoxNews tells you.
dex

Marion, IL

#18 Dec 13, 2012
I think its comical wheb army guys bash the union. I have worked with the military and veterans for 30 years and they are the most give me give me give me group out there. People would be appalled by the military compensation and pension system. this is money retired military claim above and beyond their military retirement. The are getting 30-40% DISABILITIES FOR LOW BACK ARTHRITIS. Everyone in thir late 40's to early 50's has low back arthritis from walking in gravity. Its a joke these guys complain about unions when they always have their hand out.
dex

Marion, IL

#19 Dec 13, 2012
When the unions are all gone these same people will be complaining about low pay, no vacation, and crappy if any benefits. Everyone takes these things for granted but they will all dissapear
whatever

Junction City, KS

#20 Dec 13, 2012
Ok Bob wrote:
<quoted text>It`s easy for you and Birddawg to bash unions....with your pensions and health care coming from the taxpayers. The Army is much like a Union, you can join, but you don`t have to. Most enlist for the pay and perks, much more so than to do their "Patriotic Chore". Everybody wants good pay, benefits, and security. The JCPD and JCFD are unionized, and their pay has been frozen for a long time. The city manager is about to receive a 16 % raise. Of course that rankles them, as it should. If some perp is breaking down your door, or your house is in flames, are you going to refuse their help because they are "union thugs" ? Get real. Or build a shrine to the Carnegies and Rockefellers and worship the greedy Robber Barons. What goes around comes around, and THEY`RE BACK !!! And they don`t give a damn about you or your family, no matter what FoxNews tells you.
Could you possibly be more full of bullsht?

One big difference would be that the Army doesn't go on strike for stupid benefits. We serve and obey.

Another big difference would be that the Army has to be answerable to the Government, regardless of which presidential screw-up is in office. If order to go, we go into harms way and quite possibly die.

Another huge difference would be that there is no candy-assed union boss taking part of the wages I earned dodging bullets in the sand and then partying it up at the conventions while donating my money to causes I may disagree with.

Of course, I am certain that those Union Bakers that pushed Hostess over the edge probably had to do their share of death dodging while squiggling that frosting on the cupcakes.

You coulda signed up and earned what we have, but you didn't.

You make your own life decisions, good or bad.

Grow up.

Now take your thumb out of your mouth and be a man.


(BTW - If some perp is breaking in to my door there is a much better than average chance that he won't break into another. Don't worry about my house going up in flames. I have an awesome alarm system and plenty of insurance.)
enlisted

Junction City, KS

#21 Dec 13, 2012
whatever wrote:
<quoted text>

You coulda signed up and earned what we have, but you didn't.
You make your own life decisions, good or bad.
Grow up.
I did sign up. Twice. Served two tours in combat zones. Intended to stay 20 years. Too many dickheads and a$$holes like you made the decision not to a no-brainer. That WAS a good decision. Drink your prune juice and go to bed, Bob. PT at o-dark-thirty at Homer`s Pond. LMAO !!!

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