NYS AUDIT Results #1
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Alfred, NY

#1 Dec 15, 2013
"The Council and the Treasurer have not ensured adequate internal controls are in place over cash receipts and disbursements handled by the Treasurer's Office. The Treasurer did not perform adequate bank and reconciliations and did not record all financial transactions accurately, completely, timely, and in a clear and transparent manner. In addition, there is not adequate segregation of duties within the Treasurer's Office."
TOLD YOU

Little Falls, NY

#2 Dec 15, 2013
We will see if our leaders take the audit and fiscal score of 39 and start to deal with reality. We have a spending problem not a revenue problem.
Committee Member

Little Falls, NY

#3 Dec 15, 2013
Who are board members of the audit and finance cmte,? Shouldn't they take some responsibility.

TOLD YOU wrote:
We will see if our leaders take the audit and fiscal score of 39 and start to deal with reality. We have a spending problem not a revenue problem.
dumbazz

Albany, NY

#4 Dec 15, 2013
Committee Member wrote:
<quoted text>Who are board members of the audit and finance cmte,? Shouldn't they take some responsibility.
Everything is fine. Burleson said so.

“Do SOMETHING !!!”

Since: Jan 08

Indian Trail, NC

#5 Dec 15, 2013
I think Burleson's meaning was more along the line that there are no major problems, and the shortcomings revealed by the audit will be effectively and quickly dealt with.
Putting words in his mouth just ain't fair.
City Official

New Hartford, NY

#6 Dec 15, 2013
Yeah everything's fine, our treasurers office is committing felonies by falsifying business records. Other than that thinks are honky Dorie.
One Angry Who

Little Falls, NY

#7 Dec 15, 2013
"The Treasurer made journal entries that reduced the cash balance in the accounting records by $114, 163, without support or reasonable explanation"
dumbazz

Albany, NY

#8 Dec 15, 2013
UTLT wrote:
I think Burleson's meaning was more along the line that there are no major problems, and the shortcomings revealed by the audit will be effectively and quickly dealt with.
Putting words in his mouth just ain't fair.
What Burleson mainly said was there was no fraud uncovered. Having inadequate controls of taxpayer money IS a major problem, if there ever was one.
One Angry Who

Little Falls, NY

#9 Dec 15, 2013
dumbazz wrote:
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What Burleson mainly said was there was no fraud uncovered. Having inadequate controls of taxpayer money IS a major problem, if there ever was one.
Right. "The Treasurer made journal entries that reduced the cash balance in the accounting records by $114,163 without support or reasonable explanation." but there was no fraud uncovered.

Technically, that is absolutely correct. What seems to have been uncovered is EMBEZZLEMENT, not fraud.

Since: Feb 13

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#10 Dec 15, 2013
dumbazz wrote:
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Everything is fine. Burleson said so.
And everything is fine. When a crack team of professional, dispassionate, steely eyed forensic accountants spend months looking into the City accounts, and find no criminal activity, I call that fine. Can there be improvements in procedures and methods? Sure. Just remember after long months of work, the State must then justify the cost of the audit. You will never, ever, have the State Comptrollers office issue a sunshine and lollipops every thing is wonderful, this is a model for all municipalities should follow result report.

“Do SOMETHING !!!”

Since: Jan 08

Indian Trail, NC

#11 Dec 15, 2013
Dave:
Would you speculate as to why so many Topix posters seem to be hoping and praying for negative outcomes for the city? To me it seems as though they'd be most happy if the city was to file for bankruptcy. Anything short of that and they seem unfulfilled. They seem eager for folks to be fired and they'd really like some random arrests. What causes such a negative-nelly attitude?
TOLD YOU

Little Falls, NY

#12 Dec 15, 2013
You my friend are a joke.You go on topix and are so flippant about the problems It is really shamefull. You have no leadership qualities at all.

“Do SOMETHING !!!”

Since: Jan 08

Indian Trail, NC

#13 Dec 15, 2013
TOLD YOU wrote:
You my friend are a joke.You go on topix and are so flippant about the problems It is really shamefull. You have no leadership qualities at all.
Dave, like me, sees the audit as a rather neutral report with suggestions for improvement. You seem to view it as uncovering a vast reservoir of fraud, deception and thievery; to which the only adequate response is firing and jail-time.
Then you feel that any 'true' leader must, of course, agree with you.

I suggest there are other realities to which your rage has blinded you.

Since: Feb 13

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#14 Dec 15, 2013
TOLD YOU wrote:
You my friend are a joke.You go on topix and are so flippant about the problems It is really shamefull. You have no leadership qualities at all.
All seriousness aside, I shall try to "grim up" just for you.
dumbazz

Syracuse, NY

#15 Dec 15, 2013
UTLT wrote:
<quoted text>Dave, like me, sees the audit as a rather neutral report with suggestions for improvement. You seem to view it as uncovering a vast reservoir of fraud, deception and thievery; to which the only adequate response is firing and jail-time.
Then you feel that any 'true' leader must, of course, agree with you.

I suggest there are other realities to which your rage has blinded you.
I suggest there are other realities to which ignorance has blinded you.

You and Dave agree...ya that's about right.
dumbazz

Syracuse, NY

#16 Dec 15, 2013
UTLT wrote:
Dave:
Would you speculate as to why so many Topix posters seem to be hoping and praying for negative outcomes for the city? To me it seems as though they'd be most happy if the city was to file for bankruptcy. Anything short of that and they seem unfulfilled. They seem eager for folks to be fired and they'd really like some random arrests. What causes such a negative-nelly attitude?
STFU, you clown.
dumbazz

Syracuse, NY

#17 Dec 15, 2013
HawaiiStyleDave wrote:
<quoted text>And everything is fine. When a crack team of professional, dispassionate, steely eyed forensic accountants spend months looking into the City accounts, and find no criminal activity, I call that fine. Can there be improvements in procedures and methods? Sure. Just remember after long months of work, the State must then justify the cost of the audit. You will never, ever, have the State Comptrollers office issue a sunshine and lollipops every thing is wonderful, this is a model for all municipalities should follow result report.
No criminal activity doesn't mean it's "fine." We're supposed to be happy that we didn't elect criminals? Wow, high bar we've set.
Hmmm

Herkimer, NY

#18 Dec 15, 2013
I think your moniker is about right dumbazz!
One Angry Who

Little Falls, NY

#19 Dec 15, 2013
HawaiiStyleDave wrote:
<quoted text> And everything is fine. When a crack team of professional, dispassionate, steely eyed forensic accountants spend months looking into the City accounts, and find no criminal activity, I call that fine. Can there be improvements in procedures and methods? Sure. Just remember after long months of work, the State must then justify the cost of the audit. You will never, ever, have the State Comptrollers office issue a sunshine and lollipops every thing is wonderful, this is a model for all municipalities should follow result report.
You're flat out lying.

From the audit:

"The Treasurer's June 2012 Main Checking account bank reconciliation show a difference of $14 between the bank and book balances; we calculated a difference of $4,518."

It goes on and on like this, as you know.

So, does Peters send Masi to arrest the treasurer, or does the treasurer resign, or go on leave pending a full audit, or must I keep posting all the dirty, dirty, details? Because, as you know full well, there are a LOT of them.
City Official

New Hartford, NY

#20 Dec 15, 2013
UTLT wrote:
Dave:
Would you speculate as to why so many Topix posters seem to be hoping and praying for negative outcomes for the city? To me it seems as though they'd be most happy if the city was to file for bankruptcy. Anything short of that and they seem unfulfilled. They seem eager for folks to be fired and they'd really like some random arrests. What causes such a negative-nelly attitude?
perhaps it's because we know it is coming. You can not run a city with the excessive spending. The money spent on vehicles, equipment, and the major waste of money on overtime ie; the fire dept 250,000. If we spent a small portion of that over time money on a business manager instead, we may actually grow our city. People talk about the negativity of the people on here, and the comments made towards the city depts. Perhaps they are sick of seeing there tax dollars wasted. Perhaps if the city were growing people wouldn't say to much on the services and the budget. However when things are slow people tend to access where there money goes and why. Obviously our population has dwindled next to nothing, and services keep costing more. Perhaps it is time to down size, and work on rebuilding the city. Do we need all the Chiefs we have? Do we need all the employees we have. People get so scared when they think of loosing a few police officers, or firefighters, perhaps reevaluating the usage of some people would help transition. Codes dept should be cut, and the fire chief and asst chiefs should over see codes like previously. Perhaps we don't need all the Sgts in the PD. Maybe Masi should be working shifts, same thing with Parese in the Fire Dept. How about four asst chiefs in the FD, really necassary with 12 guys. How many supervisors in the DPW. Maybe we should look at shared services with the Clerk / Treasurers office they both have assistants just maybe one office with the two could get it done. Perhaps we shouldn't have a guy strictly sitting at the desk in the FD perhaps 911 could dispatch as they do all other localities. Do we really need a so called dispatcher in the PD? I know there can be cuts in the DPW however getting peters to do that would be hard. I'm not trying to piss people off, or point people out, just trying to give some recommendations on how to move forward.

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