Resolution of Autistic Symptoms in a Child Undergoing Chiropractic...

Feb 2, 2012 Full story: Jordan Independent 80

A 9 year-old boy with Autism presented to a private office for chiropractic care by his mother.

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Wisdom

Williston Park, NY

#1 Feb 3, 2012
HeHe. Any of you chiropractors want to step up and renounce this baloney?

Curing autism by pushing on the kd's neck?

Any chiropractor here ready to admit that chiropractors get no actual clinical experience in childhood disorders like autism?

Hmmmmm?

Because your silence will be heard just as lowdly.

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#2 Feb 3, 2012
I bet you the good doctor isn't billing insurance correctly, either, because no insurance will cover chiropractor services for autism treatment. They rig the billing. Or the parent is forking over out of pocket.

Another thing, Pervasive Development Disorder is the current DSM category, and you cant be diagnosed with a category. You have to be diagnosed with one of the 5 actual diagnosis of the category so my guess is the good Dr. May doesn't know the difference between PDD and PDD-NOS. He also didn't do a good job describing behaviors, either. Plus, the child was on medication the whole time of treatment. Come on.

Vertebral subluxation... there's a difference between the medical and chiropractic definitions of a subluxation. The chiropractic vertebral subluxation complex has been a source of controversy since its inception in 1895 due to its metaphysical origins and claims of far reaching effects on health and disease. In other words, quacks cracking backs. And look, the good doctor is from MN! Maybe I'll check him out.
ChiroTruth

Geneva, NY

#3 Feb 3, 2012
Wisdom no one is claiming to "cure" anything. Chiropractic is geared towards wellness, given that reducing the amount of stress, in which causes the body to deviate from homeostasis, is correlated to the innate ability for natural processes to oppose stressors.

Is chiropractic beneficial to an autistic child? YES
Chiropractic care is beneficial to everyone.

More so when we can look at mechanical processes that occur with many pathologies. Often these mechanical problems contribute to the symptomology of a disease process. By restoring the mechanical aspect generally the symptoms are reduced.(Asthma patients have fatigued and tight muscles associated with respiration, treating these has a profound effect on reducing the symptoms. Do I even have to say that chronic hypertonicity has negative permanent effects at a neurological scale?)

There are studies that show how adjustments can be specifically targeted to induce a parasympathetic response or a sympathetic response quite reliability. There is no doubt that stimulation motion in hypomobile joints has an effect on the nervous system. More so I should say that hypermobile joints are correlated to compensation from surrounding hypomoble joints and soft tissues.

If a disease process is associated with a lack of neurostimulation via a regulated neurological pathway, i.e. dysfunctional joint segments, poor nutrition, and other factors restoring normal biomechanics has a very plausible effect on reducing symptoms of many disease processes.

There are also so many controllable exogenous factors, chemical, behaviors, etc that have negative effects on our body. When the body isn't in balance of proper physiological components it is no wonder why some people are more susceptible to acquire an illness.

Look at obesity. Do you not think that they are chemically imbalanced? Look at the incidence of illness that these individuals are susceptible to.

Wisdom you show an ignorance to understanding anything aside your own assumptions. You lack professional demeanor in all your responses and you are ignorant to the fact you have no intention of providing consumer protection.

Chiropractic is a non-invasive practice that has proven over time to be very beneficial. Not to mention that there has been abundant studies that support many of the claims. Yet there are still many things not fully understood. Doesn't this coincide with the abundance of idiopathic diseases other medical professions fail to adequately treat?

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ChiroTruth

Geneva, NY

#4 Feb 3, 2012
@friend... the model of chiropractic subluxation debacle is old news. If you were versed in chiropractic literature the term subluxation is an umbrella term to demonstrate any source of imbalance. This includes and is not limited to any sort of joint dysfunction and the list can go on.

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#5 Feb 3, 2012
No kidding! Chiropractic vertebral subluxation is not old news, it was mentioned by Dr. May in the article. It also depends on the individual chiropractor as to how they use the term and it's meaning. It's not a set standard in the chiropractic world.

The chiropractic vertebral subluxation (even better if it's not limited. Thanks for pointing that out) complex has been a source of controversy since its inception in 1895 due to its metaphysical origins and claims of far reaching effects on health and disease.

The Willbarger Approach and compressions any parent can do, and it's free.

The best part is the child was on Adderrall XR and Risperdal during this case study, so there is no way to determine which had the greater affect on 'improvements', the chiropractor or the medication or both. If you were versed in credible claims of case studies, you'd know how important that tid bit is.

Oh, and by the way, I have been a long term consumer of Chiropractic care for scoliosis. The care made it manageable, but affected nothing else of my health conditions and lack of surgery to correct the curvature made such care a monthly money maker for the chiropractor. Targeting those children who have autism should require extensive training of a DSM disorder of which I am sure you have no medical training in. I would never take my child who has autism and great bone structure to a chiropractor. They often can do more damage than good and cause injury.
ChiroTruth

Geneva, NY

#6 Feb 3, 2012
Bone structure has nothing to do with seeking chiropractic care. I have never even seen a spine that is symmetrical or perfect. That is not the issue.

Have you ever even correlated the posture of individuals with Autism. There is even associated biomechanic anomalies associated with the disease. Issues like this possess the capability to further induce neurological deficits and increased rate of degeneration.

The chiropractor is not the one who is diagnosing the child with autism. More so it takes a team of people to deal with someone who has autism. And that I can speak of with personal experience. Another point you bring up is about your instance with a chiropractor. Yet there are a variety of chiropractors out there. Its up to the consumer to become knowledgeable and ask other medical corespondents in which chiropractors they recommend and or other patients.

Please enlighten me whereas chiropractors who are treating autistic individuals are causing damage abide rare occurrences where negligence plays a role as in any profession.

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#7 Feb 3, 2012
Autism is not a disease.
It does take a team of professionals, who have medical training in autism. Chiropractors have no such training.
Chiropractors is a profession based on the skeletal system, including manipulation of the spine, other joints, and soft tissues. Fraud, abuse and quackery is more prevalent in chiropractic than in other health care professions. There's actual studies on that alone. The core concept of chiropractic, vertebral subluxation, is not based on sound science.
Damage is not rare and injury often happens more so with chiropractors than any other profession and it has nothing to do with those who have autism, it can happen to anyone. Of course the risk would be far greater of those who have autism for obvious reasons. There are watch groups all over the place about the injury caused by chiropractors and false claims.
Such as the false claims of this case study, of which the patient was on medication while gaining treatment, yet the chiropractor makes the bold conclusion the 'improvement' is due to chirpractic care when there is no way to know if it wasn't the medication which for many, they see the same improvement conculsions with those medications alone. If there was any truth to this doctor, he would of had the child removed from those medications first, not after and it's suspicious that he didn't and anyone who knows anything about autism and studies or any science-based person IS going to question that fact alone as to the claims this doctor is representing. You can also tell it's a scam by the fact he gives his location and phone number. The general public never is just able to contact the doctor of the case study. Besides that, take a look at the man, and his web site and blog and all he sells. Any respectable doctor doesn't make youtube video's. The young doctor joins the ranks with all the others trying to make an additional buck off of autism

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#8 Feb 3, 2012
Any if that isn't enough... Let's all take our kids to this doctor! Of the years on autism mystery and all of the science based interventions, this young guy has found the Resolution of Autistic Symptoms!!!!

Give me a break. Most parents never fall for that.
ChiroTruth

Geneva, NY

#9 Feb 3, 2012
It's simple try out chiropractic if it doesn't work... STOP This is for anything you desire.

This i case study, it wasn't an experiment, so why the heck would the chiropractor inform the patient to stop taking medications? Give me a break "friend". He is not out there claiming to cure autism he had a case and had a successful outcome.

You make it seem that chiropractic care is something horrible when it is promoting natural health and prevention. Yet people like you would still rather conform to the easiest way and not necessarily the natural way of healing.

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#10 Feb 3, 2012
You just don't get it. But then that's expected.

This young doctor claims his services found "Resolution of Autistic Symptoms in a Child Undergoing Chiropractic Care to Correct Vertebral Subluxations".
But the child remained on 2 medications that also results many times for many the same results. Of course he isn't going to tell the parent any info about those medications, he has no medical training dealing with them. Hello. And he obviously doesn't know the purpose of them. There's no way to make such a claim as he does when he cant determine or prove what caused improvements. Some where he should had said "due to the medications, more studies should be conducted with those not on those same medications." But he didn't. He is misleading people to believe his care was the sole result of improvements and it's obvious why he's making such claims.

It's a guy like this that gives the rest of you a bad name.

I hate to tell you, no natural way of healing is going to heal autism. If it did, we'd all be doing it and there'd be no rising rates of autism. The first thing parents learn is don't believe every scam out there. Some parents will still try it and you're right, if it doesn't work and thousands of dollars later, just stop.
ChiroTruth

Geneva, NY

#11 Feb 3, 2012
-So a child with autism was brought to a chiropractor.

-The chiropractor preformed adjustments and scheduled a nutritionest to devolope a diet/supplement enzymes.

-The child showed signs of improvement.

… Dr. May states…“Further research exploring the relationship between vertebral subluxation and autistic disorders should be encouraged.”
Anyone wishing more information may contact Dr. May.

The article does not say Chiropractic will cure autism. Also previous in the article it states that the child had asthma and allergies. Both can be helped through diet, and adjustments can aid with asthma. If you are unaware people with asthma have hypertonic muscles which make breathing more difficult.

All in all it seems chiropractic addressed some of the symptoms and provided the child with further tools, such as dietary. At the end of the day the child has less symptoms and has received additional care.

“Friend” you are missing the point here these are not intended to be experiments. So what would you rather spend some money and get results for a suffering child or wait for things to get worse? The longer you wait to treat something the more side effects occur.

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#12 Feb 3, 2012
I never said the claim was cure. I specifically used the word " improvement". You used the word healing, which implies chiropractic adjustments can heal autism. I'd be more careful with your wording and claims.

As for the asthma and allergies, the tile isn't "Resolution of Asthma and Allergies Symptoms in a Child Undergoing Chiropractic Care to Correct Vertebral Subluxations". So the asthma and allergies has little to do with it and a chiropractor isn't the first person a person would think to do to for those issues. They have to direct expertise in it. A chiropractor would be the last person I'd think to address diet issues to. Try a nutritionist.

Stop with experiments. That's not what this is. In any case study, of which one doing the case study has to rule out other factors that can attribute for the results. If they do not, it's a flawed case study. This is a flawed case study since the medication can easily be attributed to the results, not what the chiropractor did. In order for him to make such a claim of, what did Dr. May state? Oh yes, Resolution of Autistic Symptoms. Maybe chiropractors define the word resolution differently, too. It means resolve autistic symptoms. In order to make such a bold claim, he would have to be sure other on-going therapies and medications did notimpact the 'resolution' conclusions he found.
It's just that easy. And again, this isn't the first chiropractor making this claim, and if it were true, we'd all be doing it. It would be on CNN, not youtube.

So now you're trying to imply that not going to a chiropractor will result in a suffering child with autism to get worse? I hate to inform you, children with autism have been improving with out a chiropractor for more than 20 years. And if you think autism is suffering, you're not very informedand going offend many who have autism.

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#13 Feb 3, 2012
Fixed the typo's
friend wrote:
I never said the claim was cure. I specifically used the word " improvement". You used the word healing, which implies chiropractic adjustments can heal autism. I'd be more careful with your wording and claims.

As for the asthma and allergies, the tile isn't "Resolution of Asthma and Allergies Symptoms in a Child Undergoing Chiropractic Care to Correct Vertebral Subluxations". So the asthma and allergies has little to do with it and a chiropractor isn't the first person a person would think to go to for those issues. They have no direct expertise in it. A chiropractor would be the last person I'd think to address diet issues to. Try a nutritionist.

Stop with experiments. That's not what this is. In any case study, of which the one doing the case study has to rule out other factors that can attribute for the results. If they do not, it's a flawed case study. This is a flawed case study since the medication can easily be attributed to the results, not what the chiropractor did. In order for him to make such a claim of, what did Dr. May state? Oh yes, Resolution of Autistic Symptoms. Maybe chiropractors define the word resolution differently, too. It means resolve autistic symptoms. In order to make such a bold claim, he would have to be sure other on-going therapies and medications did notimpact the 'resolution' conclusions he found.
It's just that easy. And again, this isn't the first chiropractor making this claim, and if it were true, we'd all be doing it. It would be on CNN, not youtube.

So now you're trying to imply that not going to a chiropractor will result in a suffering child with autism to get worse? I hate to inform you, children with autism have been improving with out a chiropractor for more than 20 years. And if you think autism is suffering, you're not very informedand going offend many who have autism.
Wisdom

Williston Park, NY

#14 Feb 3, 2012
Bottom line, this chiroquack implied that he cured the kid's autism by pushing on the side of his neck and "removing a chiropractic subluxation". Then as chiropractors do, played the double speak game by saying he really didn't "cure" autism, he just located and removed the "cause" of the autism.

And that is ALL bull crap. Its what chiropractors claim to be able to do for every person who suffers from any disease or condition. Pure quackery.

There is NO evidence for that quack or any chiropractor to make those types of claims.

But if anyone really knows chiropractic, they would know that, given a patient, NO two chiropractors could even agree as to where that patient's pesky chiropractic subluxations are. Indeed, there are NO best practices models that chiropractors follow. NONE. Each chiroquacker does any damn thing they please. That is NOT up for debate. One quack will treat the same patient by tweaking only the top vertebrae as seen in "nucca" chiropractors, another will treat that same patient by cracking the entire spine as seen in "diversified" or generic manipulators, and another will place blocks under that same patient as seen with "sot" chiropractors and still others will click the spines with a spring loaded clicker as seen with "activator" and "impulse" chiropractors and on and on and on and on.

Chiropractic is wrought with fraud. Period.

And then to top this all off. The fact of the matter is that chiropractors get NO actual clinical training in examining, diagnosing or treating disorders like autism. NONE

Nor do chiropractors get any actual clinical training with using or prescribing medications.

Bottom line, this quack should be investigated. Indeed, the entire chiropractic field needs to be shut down until the overwhelming amount of fraud is weeded out.
Washington Chiro

Buffalo Grove, IL

#15 Feb 3, 2012
He he he. How many patients has the con, wisdom treated in his pathetic life? None you say? he he he Enough said.

BAM!!

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#16 Feb 3, 2012
Wisdom is not the one making the claim he performed Resolution of Autistic Symptoms. A chiropractor is. He also never claimed to be a doctor or have patients.

Chiropractors have been controversial for over 100 years, and doctors like this only contribute to that controversy with such claims.

Nuff said.
ChiroTruth

Geneva, NY

#17 Feb 3, 2012
And here we have two individuals "friend and Wisdom" who have no clinical experience nor post graduate degrees in a speciality field claiming there are experts.

I think they think reading magazines like chiro economics and bias skeptic sites makes them educated enough to voice their opinions.

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#18 Feb 3, 2012
Public opinion is where it is, pal. You don't need clinic experience or degree's but again, you missed the point.

We're disagreeing with the claim made, and it's clear no one agree's with your opinion, of which you have no proof of who you are or if you have any experience or degree's, either.
Wisdom

Williston Park, NY

#19 Feb 3, 2012
Actually "friend", I did finish chiropractic school. I am quite the expert when it comes to chiropractic and chiropractors.

I am now in medicine, primarily critical care. This forum is not about medicine, it is about unfounded chiropractic claims. The usual response from chiropractors, when their quackery is exposed, is to bash medicine. So illogical, but that is what they have learned to do. It begins day 1 in chiropractic school.

And the chiropractor "washington" is correct, I never treated anyone with any of those bizarre chiropractic techniques except as "required" in chiropractic school. Believe me, I was there.

And yes, "friend" you make the exactly correct point ... that it is up to the person who makes the claim to present the evidence. But I've been making that point for years. For most chiropractors, critical thinking is foreign. They just don't get it.

"Washington chiropractor" has claimed on other blogs that he is an expert in "wound care" and that he trained in "wound care" at hospitals and wound care clinics. Let me be clear, NO chiropractor is allowed to diagnose, examine or treat wounds in any hospital or wound clinic anywhere in the U.S. Period.

On other blogs, "washington chiropractor" has also defended bizarre claims that chiropractors can cure bed wetting, eczema, sexual dysfunction and has also defended the claim that chiropractic adjustments can reduce the insulin needs in type 1 diabetics. And that claim is disgusting.

And now he defends the bizarre claim that adjustments can cure autism. And he claims he is a licensed chiropractor. Scary indeed.
Washington Chiro

Buffalo Grove, IL

#20 Feb 3, 2012
Wisdom just lied. BIG TIME.
For years he denied being a DC or an MD. But in just three short weeks he not only became a chiropractor but an MD and phd as well. Remarkable!
Of course, wisdom is lying. At best (and this is generous) he might have finished a half a semester at a community college. He certainly does not know chiropractor or medicine.
What's funny about this loser is that even though he's not a chiropractor, he boasts about being a failed one! he he he
Well, I guess when you have nothing else, you might as well brag about being a loser.

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