Solution for Arab Tensions
Cheese Puff Daddy

Park Hills, MO

#21 Apr 27, 2013
USA wrote:
<quoted text>Another way would be to leave their asses alone. We invade their countries. My god, we killed 130,000 Iraqis. WE ARE THE TERRORISTS. and until America understands that, we are going t get bombed. Ad right so.
George bush is a war criminal and I hope both he and Cheney end up in hell.
Have a very nice day
I was in 6th grade during the first Gulf War as it was booked as a holy war and kids my age were more or less fed the "its them against us Christians versus Muslim" propaganda. Then 9-11 happens and we're all gung ho to kick some Muslim ass again. The war starts in Afghanistan and I think we all thought it would end pretty quickly. We kept waiting. No WMD were found. The war continued. We elect a new president that promises change and a means to an end to the war, he does nothing to stop it. Here we are 12 years later with no end to the current war and new ones in sight. We are still being attacked by terrorists as the bombing in Boston proves. I think it's time we humor ourselves and leave them alone. If Islamic terrorists are the problem then maybe they should monitor who comes into this country a little bit better. Then the question is raised how do you do that without infringing on the rights of Muslim Americans.
Cheese Puff Daddy

Park Hills, MO

#22 Apr 27, 2013
Silverado wrote:
<quoted text>Come on CPD, let's not play word games. You know what kind of war I'm referring to - an all out aerial, naval, and land occupation. As for attacks on American citizens by extremist Islamic groups prior to the first Gulf War:

04/14/72
01/19/73
07/01/73
07/18/73
10/19/73
10/29/73
11/25/73
12/11/73
12/13/73
12/20/73
12/22/73
12/24/73
01/24/74
04/01/74
04/16/74
03/09/77
07/22/80
08/31/80
11/06/89
01/31/90
11/05/90

And these don't even take into account the numerous attacks against American embassies around the world where many Americans have lost their lives. The wars on Arab soil are just an excuse to extend a hatred that has existed for decades.
Now I want you to scrounge me up that list but put similar acts of violence done by non Muslims over that same time frame. Crazy ass people come in all races and religions. Was the guy that killed all those kids at Sandy Hook a Muslim? How bout the guy in Colorado at the theatre?

Are you saying that you're afraid that if we don't have troops in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan and North Korea (or any combination of the 2) that we're in danger of being invaded?
John

Newland, NC

#23 Apr 27, 2013
Cheese Puff Daddy wrote:
<quoted text>
Now I want you to scrounge me up that list but put similar acts of violence done by non Muslims over that same time frame. Crazy ass people come in all races and religions. Was the guy that killed all those kids at Sandy Hook a Muslim? How bout the guy in Colorado at the theatre?
Are you saying that you're afraid that if we don't have troops in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan and North Korea (or any combination of the 2) that we're in danger of being invaded?
Let's not forget Tim McViegh. He was another extremist.
Cheese Puff Daddy

Park Hills, MO

#24 Apr 27, 2013
John wrote:
<quoted text>Let's not forget Tim McViegh. He was another extremist.
He was a Christian extremist/radical and so was Eric Rudolph and most every other abortion clinic bomber in history
Cheese Puff Daddy

Park Hills, MO

#25 Apr 27, 2013
John wrote:
<quoted text>Let's not forget Tim McViegh. He was another extremist.
Can't forget that Rudolph was the Atlanta Olympics bomber too, and not a Muslim
Cheese Puff Daddy

Park Hills, MO

#26 Apr 27, 2013
Silverado wrote:
<quoted text>I thought Obama was supposed to clip the tit that fed the machine, wasn't he? Maybe he arrived in office and became enlightened to info that people like you and I haven't been. Still occupying Afghanistan into Obama's second term should be very telling to those of us have questioned our continued occupation there - the threat against our country may be more sever than what we are being told.
This is where I have to respectfully agree to disagree. Your trust in our government far exceeds mine as I see your ability to still believe that they keep secrets for our own good. I'm inclined to believe the only secrets they keep benefit them and not the American People.
Silverado

Elizabethton, TN

#27 Apr 27, 2013
Cheese Puff Daddy wrote:
<quoted text>
Now I want you to scrounge me up that list but put similar acts of violence done by non Muslims over that same time frame. Crazy ass people come in all races and religions. Was the guy that killed all those kids at Sandy Hook a Muslim? How bout the guy in Colorado at the theatre?
Are you saying that you're afraid that if we don't have troops in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan and North Korea (or any combination of the 2) that we're in danger of being invaded?
I don't think you understand the difference between extremists and "crazy ass people.". What ideology were the shooters at Sandy Hook and Aurora espousing when they committed their crimes? Did the shooter at Sandy Hook have great hatred against second and third graders? Did the shooter in Aurora have great disdain for theater-goers? Do you not see how ludicrous your argument has become?

I totally disagree with having troops in these countries without a valid reason for being there. I do like having the comfort in knowing that if a plot to invade our country is uncovered, we will have the necessary forces available in any region of the world to take the fight to them in their backyard instead of ours. To believe in this day and time that leaving extremists alone will cause them to leave us alone is extremely comical in my opinion. I've shared many of the same opinions with you on posts before, but this is obviously not one of them.
Silverado

Elizabethton, TN

#28 Apr 27, 2013
Cheese Puff Daddy wrote:
<quoted text>
This is where I have to respectfully agree to disagree. Your trust in our government far exceeds mine as I see your ability to still believe that they keep secrets for our own good. I'm inclined to believe the only secrets they keep benefit them and not the American People.
Trust and government are rarely two words that I use in conjunction with one another.
Cheese Puff Daddy

Park Hills, MO

#29 Apr 27, 2013
Silverado wrote:
<quoted text>I don't think you understand the difference between extremists and "crazy ass people.". What ideology were the shooters at Sandy Hook and Aurora espousing when they committed their crimes? Did the shooter at Sandy Hook have great hatred against second and third graders? Did the shooter in Aurora have great disdain for theater-goers? Do you not see how ludicrous your argument has become?

I totally disagree with having troops in these countries without a valid reason for being there. I do like having the comfort in knowing that if a plot to invade our country is uncovered, we will have the necessary forces available in any region of the world to take the fight to them in their backyard instead of ours. To believe in this day and time that leaving extremists alone will cause them to leave us alone is extremely comical in my opinion. I've shared many of the same opinions with you on posts before, but this is obviously not one of them.
Eric Rudolph and Timothy McVeigh were bonified extremists. Whether Sandy Hook or Aurora gunmen fall under that definition the fact remains that their actions can be classified as terrorism. Their acts struck fear into people. Fear to attend a movie, fear to send their children to school. I doubt we will ever deal with an invasion of the United States but if we do I'd rather have our troops here on American soil defending us then overseas. Leaving these people alone will not stop all acts of terrorism from their extremists but I have to believe that if we stop "stirring the bees nest" it has got to help versus what we're doing now which many theorize is breeding a whole new generation of bitterness towards Americans and a new generation of extremists. If one of these whacked out paramilitary groups here in the states went to Afghanistan and started terrorizing their people do you think it would justify the afghani military (if capable) to turn the United States into a Police State in an attempt to irradiate them?
Longtemps

Kingsport, TN

#30 Apr 27, 2013
It seems to me that we people have forgotten the basics of human relationships. Sure we try to do things peacefully, but many extremist nations take this as a sign of weakness. It just seems to me that a show of force, without it being just a show is the answer. Let's face it, America has the ability and the resources to put the foot on any nation regardless of their high handed tactics and half ass threats. What would Theo Roosevelt do? The days of being a nice guy have ended. I say, deliver an ultimatum to these Arab countries: either take care of the extremists or suffer our wrath. I'm sick of the pussyfooting!
Right

Abingdon, VA

#31 Apr 27, 2013
Silverado wrote:
<quoted text>
I respect your stance, but it disturbs me that, as a veteran, you believe we could deploy a fully staffed and outfitted air carrier, an absolute necessary component if we have no available air bases in another country, half way across the world in a matter of "days or weeks." I am pretty adept at our technology capabilities and I have yet to see anything that could produce those results.
What about the number of jobs, including both our soldiers and the residents of those countries, that would be eliminated if we shut down bases across the world. At any given moment over the past sevral years, we have anywhere to 200,000 to 500,000 soldiers deployed overseas. Do you really think our economy could sustain another several hundred thousand people on the unemployment lines?
Do you really want other countries to invade us on our own land? I can't imagine many veterans would answer "yes" to that question. Do you really think if we just sit back and mind our own business that other countries are going to leave us alone? If you haven't read the papers lately, we aren't the only country seeking world dominance.
Aircraft carriers are floating cities and already remain at sea for months at a time, stopping on occasion at friendly ports. Closing overseas bases would not change that. As far as the "days or weeks" comment you're kidding yourself if you think we cannot deploy lethal force anywhere in the world quickly at will. There are many options depending on the situation. As far as jobs, the military doesn't exist to employ hundreds of thousands of people for the sake of boosting employment numbers...that's absurd. The drawdown of bases would takes years anyway and the loss of required troops could easily be accomplished mostly through attrition and would scarcely affect unemployment. We already spend more on our military than the next 13 countries combined so who realistically is going to come rolling up to our border with the intent of invading? And the fact you ended your post with the notion that the US wants world domination is a huge part of the problem. We shouldn't be wanting to dominate anyone or anything and should learn to live in peace with other peaceful countries.
Cheese Puff Daddy

Park Hills, MO

#32 Apr 27, 2013
Longtemps wrote:
It seems to me that we people have forgotten the basics of human relationships. Sure we try to do things peacefully, but many extremist nations take this as a sign of weakness. It just seems to me that a show of force, without it being just a show is the answer. Let's face it, America has the ability and the resources to put the foot on any nation regardless of their high handed tactics and half ass threats. What would Theo Roosevelt do? The days of being a nice guy have ended. I say, deliver an ultimatum to these Arab countries: either take care of the extremists or suffer our wrath. I'm sick of the pussyfooting!
That line of thinking means the war never ends or we wipe out 1 billion Muslims and hope we got em all. The war has helped cripple our economy. If we can't agree maybe the people on this thread can see a compromise by cutting our interests down the middle. What if our military involvement was drastically cut to a few thousand specialists that fought the war on terror "from the shadows" so to speak. Lets take away that feeling of intrusiveness our military brings and use intelligence information and good ole fashioned detective work to sort out who is extremist and anti American. If we can't "leave them alone" so to speak, maybe we could offer the illusion of leaving them alone while taking these groups apart from the inside out. Do it in a way that doesn't breed new extremists or god forbid bring about sympathy from a nuclear weapons capable country that could align themselves with them.
Silverado

Elizabethton, TN

#33 Apr 27, 2013
Longtemps wrote:
It seems to me that we people have forgotten the basics of human relationships. Sure we try to do things peacefully, but many extremist nations take this as a sign of weakness. It just seems to me that a show of force, without it being just a show is the answer. Let's face it, America has the ability and the resources to put the foot on any nation regardless of their high handed tactics and half ass threats. What would Theo Roosevelt do? The days of being a nice guy have ended. I say, deliver an ultimatum to these Arab countries: either take care of the extremists or suffer our wrath. I'm sick of the pussyfooting!
We can't because we are the good guys. We play by rules that these Arab extremists don't have to play by. We don't deny our captured combatants due process of law and then behead them on national television. We don't hide known terrorist leaders and then thwart the victim country's efforts in locating them. We attempt diplomacy before entering war while the enemy practices savagery. We warn our enemies before we attack and in most instances, we don't fire upon the enemy unless fired upon. We have all the necessary weaponry to obliterate nations from the world map, yet we choose to apply restraint. We give candy bars to children while the enemy uses them as human bombs. So no, we can't react as you suggest because we are a civilized people. People like many of the posters on here can't understand that concept because they have never had to live among those type of people. People who would love nothing more than to slit your throat because of the country you're from.
Silverado

Elizabethton, TN

#34 Apr 27, 2013
Cheese Puff Daddy wrote:
<quoted text>
That line of thinking means the war never ends or we wipe out 1 billion Muslims and hope we got em all. The war has helped cripple our economy. If we can't agree maybe the people on this thread can see a compromise by cutting our interests down the middle. What if our military involvement was drastically cut to a few thousand specialists that fought the war on terror "from the shadows" so to speak. Lets take away that feeling of intrusiveness our military brings and use intelligence information and good ole fashioned detective work to sort out who is extremist and anti American. If we can't "leave them alone" so to speak, maybe we could offer the illusion of leaving them alone while taking these groups apart from the inside out. Do it in a way that doesn't breed new extremists or god forbid bring about sympathy from a nuclear weapons capable country that could align themselves with them.
My only objection has been to your argument about our bases overseas and your belief that we would be just as safe without them. As for the war in Afghanistan, it should have been ended years ago and all of our troops returned to their stations.
Select

Newland, NC

#35 Apr 28, 2013
Longtemps wrote:
It seems to me that we people have forgotten the basics of human relationships. Sure we try to do things peacefully, but many extremist nations take this as a sign of weakness. It just seems to me that a show of force, without it being just a show is the answer. Let's face it, America has the ability and the resources to put the foot on any nation regardless of their high handed tactics and half ass threats. What would Theo Roosevelt do? The days of being a nice guy have ended. I say, deliver an ultimatum to these Arab countries: either take care of the extremists or suffer our wrath. I'm sick of the pussyfooting!
Yeah, that's worked great so far, huh??
Cheese Puff Daddy

Park Hills, MO

#36 Apr 28, 2013
Silverado wrote:
<quoted text>My only objection has been to your argument about our bases overseas and your belief that we would be just as safe without them. As for the war in Afghanistan, it should have been ended years ago and all of our troops returned to their stations.
By leaving them alone I didn't mean to abandon all the bases. Just to drastically cut our military involvement down to a non intrusive level. I see my friends on FB overjoyed by the return of their husbands from the war zones and then right back down in the dumps shortly after finding out their being redeployed. After expecting an end to the war in 2011 they're getting frustrated at this point and wondering what we're fighting for. It's down right cruel really. I wish these people were allowed to get back to living their lives and raising their families.
Cheese Puff Daddy

Park Hills, MO

#37 Apr 28, 2013
Silverado wrote:
<quoted text>We can't because we are the good guys. We play by rules that these Arab extremists don't have to play by. We don't deny our captured combatants due process of law and then behead them on national television. We don't hide known terrorist leaders and then thwart the victim country's efforts in locating them. We attempt diplomacy before entering war while the enemy practices savagery. We warn our enemies before we attack and in most instances, we don't fire upon the enemy unless fired upon. We have all the necessary weaponry to obliterate nations from the world map, yet we choose to apply restraint. We give candy bars to children while the enemy uses them as human bombs. So no, we can't react as you suggest because we are a civilized people. People like many of the posters on here can't understand that concept because they have never had to live among those type of people. People who would love nothing more than to slit your throat because of the country you're from.
I agree 100% with this post, well said.

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#38 Apr 28, 2013
USA wrote:
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Leave them alone and they will leave us alone. Period. But see, we have a $686 billion dollar war machine that needs feeding and bush and Cheney fed them our children. I hope they end up in hell. No offense
You've gotta be kidding? Leave them alone and they will leave us alone. like 9/11 huh?

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#39 Apr 28, 2013
Sure we have the idiots/home grown terrorists, etc. like McVeigh, etc. And, we have the crazies like at Newtown, CT.. I'm not sure we will ever be able to prevent those kinds of things occurring by our own people.. that being said, I despise the Muslims. Didn't before, but do now. I don't trust them.. I'd like to ship them all back to wherever they came from. And, maybe "some" of them are as you say, Puff Daddy, but you can't tell me the majority of them living here.. even if they would never ever participate in terroristic behavior, don't silently, tacitly approve when we have to go through something like Boston last week. I just dont' believe that people like that who are taught to hate Americans, our way of life and think of us as infidels are suddenly our friends just because they are on American soil. I respect that you have made friends with them and feel differently about them, but I don't trust them. And, if more of the BOston things keep happening, you are going to see Americans' attitudes hardening toward them..
Joe

Newland, NC

#40 Apr 28, 2013
What some of you don't seem to understand is that we brought the hatred of theses people upon ourselves. We have interfered in their affairs for years. We have helped to overthrow their governments. We armed Iraq to fight against Iran. Saddam was our biggest ally in the region. We did not care abou the atrocities he committed as long as he served our purpose. The whole thing boils down to oil. They have it and we want it. We created the Taliban. We set up the Shah in Iran. When the people of these nations have seen and felt the atrocities committed by the dictators and governments that we have openly supported and funded, they most likely do not see us as the "good guys".

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