Solution for Arab Tensions

Solution for Arab Tensions

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dollars and sense

Kingsport, TN

#1 Apr 27, 2013
Why don't we just organize a group of pro-American terrorist? Fund them with tons of money, just like the so called Arab friends do. Let them wreak havoc overseas while under "cover". The United States can always say "we are doing our best to quell them." Just like the phony Arab countries do. Government funding would not be a problem. We could hide behind the same stuff these Mideast countries do. "We are doing everything in our powers to control these hell bent radicals". For every one American killed, multiply it by 1000 in response. That just might make these parasitic countries face the facts.
History has proven that the only way to deal with these animals is to overwhelm them with force. I'm not a blood and guts guy, just saying America has put up with this kind of bullshit long enuff.
John

United States

#2 Apr 27, 2013
dollars and sense wrote:
Why don't we just organize a group of pro-American terrorist? Fund them with tons of money, just like the so called Arab friends do. Let them wreak havoc overseas while under "cover". The United States can always say "we are doing our best to quell them." Just like the phony Arab countries do. Government funding would not be a problem. We could hide behind the same stuff these Mideast countries do. "We are doing everything in our powers to control these hell bent radicals". For every one American killed, multiply it by 1000 in response. That just might make these parasitic countries face the facts.
History has proven that the only way to deal with these animals is to overwhelm them with force. I'm not a blood and guts guy, just saying America has put up with this kind of bullshit long enuff.
We've been doing that for years. Our funded organization is called the CIA. It's why we're in this mess to begin with. Goes all the way back to 1953 when we overthrew Iran's democracy and set the Shah up as dictator. All because the Iranian president, who was democratically elected, wanted to nationalize there oil fields, which would have taken them out of the control of British Petroleum.
Cheese Puff Daddy

Park Hills, MO

#3 Apr 27, 2013
I think Ron Paul had the best idea. Quit invading their countries, it seems to piss them off. If the shoe was on the other foot and the US was under Martial Law at the hands of their Army I'd hate them and wanna kill them too.
Right

Abingdon, VA

#4 Apr 27, 2013
John wrote:
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We've been doing that for years. Our funded organization is called the CIA. It's why we're in this mess to begin with. Goes all the way back to 1953 when we overthrew Iran's democracy and set the Shah up as dictator. All because the Iranian president, who was democratically elected, wanted to nationalize there oil fields, which would have taken them out of the control of British Petroleum.
Not only that, we also have 1000 military bases/posts overseas. We are hated by much of the world because we stick our damn noses in everyone else's affairs when we have our serious problems here at home. We need to mind our own damn business and realize we cannot afford (monetarily or diplomatically) to be the world's policeman any longer. Signed, a veteran.
Cheese Puff Daddy

Park Hills, MO

#5 Apr 27, 2013
Right wrote:
<quoted text>Not only that, we also have 1000 military bases/posts overseas. We are hated by much of the world because we stick our damn noses in everyone else's affairs when we have our serious problems here at home. We need to mind our own damn business and realize we cannot afford (monetarily or diplomatically) to be the world's policeman any longer. Signed, a veteran.
I couldn't agree more sir

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Since: Jan 11

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#6 Apr 27, 2013
I guess it sounds good on paper to lament about the USA "sticking their nose in everyone's business" but it really doesnt' work that way does it? That is a very naieve and simplistic statement and dumb to boot.
Cheese Puff Daddy

Park Hills, MO

#7 Apr 27, 2013
FriendofDog wrote:
I guess it sounds good on paper to lament about the USA "sticking their nose in everyone's business" but it really doesnt' work that way does it? That is a very naieve and simplistic statement and dumb to boot.
Since we're dumb for considering the action versus reaction theory which is shared by many of our countries leaders, I'm really curious to hear your solution to the problem..
WTF

Johnson City, TN

#8 Apr 27, 2013
Cheese Puff Daddy wrote:
I think Ron Paul had the best idea. Quit invading their countries, it seems to piss them off. If the shoe was on the other foot and the US was under Martial Law at the hands of their Army I'd hate them and wanna kill them too.
Right wrote:
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Not only that, we also have 1000 military bases/posts overseas. We are hated by much of the world because we stick our damn noses in everyone else's affairs when we have our serious problems here at home. We need to mind our own damn business and realize we cannot afford (monetarily or diplomatically) to be the world's policeman any longer. Signed, a veteran.
Oh so very right!
Is it surprising though? Just look through various topix forums from different locations. In general it seems a lot of non government folks have the same problem of sticking their noses in other's business and trying to impose their own views and values on them instead of minding their own damn business and leaving folks to live their own lives as they see fit.

A wise man once said, "Just because you can say or do something doesn't always mean you should."
Silverado

Elizabethton, TN

#9 Apr 27, 2013
In trying to form a response to those of you who disagree with the US having bases throught the world, I came across a response from a military retiree who answers your question much better than I ever could:

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index...

And I hope noone on this forum is naive enough to believe that we would be any less hated if we were to abandon our bases in other countries.
Cheese Puff Daddy

Park Hills, MO

#10 Apr 27, 2013
Silverado wrote:
In trying to form a response to those of you who disagree with the US having bases throught the world, I came across a response from a military retiree who answers your question much better than I ever could:

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index...

And I hope noone on this forum is naive enough to believe that we would be any less hated if we were to abandon our bases in other countries.
I don't think any of us said we should abandon the bases, we're pretty much in favor of not invading their countries with force and then wondering why their citizens come here and wanna blow up our civilians..
Right

Abingdon, VA

#11 Apr 27, 2013
Cheese Puff Daddy wrote:
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I don't think any of us said we should abandon the bases, we're pretty much in favor of not invading their countries with force and then wondering why their citizens come here and wanna blow up our civilians..
Agreed CPD. That yahoo response wasn't a very good one. It implies the only way to deter enemies is to stage forces on a country's border. That's the mentality of warfare decades ago. Deterrence today is accomplished by other means. With today's technology, it no longer takes days or even weeks to deploy weaponry around the world. Start closing those bases and use those billions of dollars on rebuilding our own country.
Silverado

Elizabethton, TN

#12 Apr 27, 2013
Cheese Puff Daddy wrote:
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I don't think any of us said we should abandon the bases, we're pretty much in favor of not invading their countries with force and then wondering why their citizens come here and wanna blow up our civilians..
Regardless of our occupation in any country, we are still going to be seen as the Great Satan and people are still going to try to blow up our civilians. Whether it be because Muslims want to rule the world or they hate our stance on Israel or one of the many dozens of other reasons to hate us, they are still going to want to blow up our citizens, regardless if we "mind our own business" or not.

If our having bases in other countries prevents wars from occurring on our own soil, I'm all for it.
Silverado

Elizabethton, TN

#13 Apr 27, 2013
Right wrote:
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Agreed CPD. That yahoo response wasn't a very good one. It implies the only way to deter enemies is to stage forces on a country's border. That's the mentality of warfare decades ago. Deterrence today is accomplished by other means. With today's technology, it no longer takes days or even weeks to deploy weaponry around the world. Start closing those bases and use those billions of dollars on rebuilding our own country.
I respect your stance, but it disturbs me that, as a veteran, you believe we could deploy a fully staffed and outfitted air carrier, an absolute necessary component if we have no available air bases in another country, half way across the world in a matter of "days or weeks." I am pretty adept at our technology capabilities and I have yet to see anything that could produce those results.

What about the number of jobs, including both our soldiers and the residents of those countries, that would be eliminated if we shut down bases across the world. At any given moment over the past sevral years, we have anywhere to 200,000 to 500,000 soldiers deployed overseas. Do you really think our economy could sustain another several hundred thousand people on the unemployment lines?

Do you really want other countries to invade us on our own land? I can't imagine many veterans would answer "yes" to that question. Do you really think if we just sit back and mind our own business that other countries are going to leave us alone? If you haven't read the papers lately, we aren't the only country seeking world dominance.

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#14 Apr 27, 2013
Cheese Puff Daddy wrote:
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Since we're dumb for considering the action versus reaction theory which is shared by many of our countries leaders, I'm really curious to hear your solution to the problem..
I think part of it is deciding "what is sticking our nose in someone else's business" and "What is in the best interests of AMerica" and I think the line is blurred. Surely you don't think that America joining WWII was a mistake do you? We were there for the right reasons. Vietnam (which I thought was a huge mistake), Korea and fast forward to Iraq and Afghanistan. I supported Bush and believed in going to Afghanistan and Iraq at that time. Now? Not so much. Frankly I think we would have been better served to kick all the Muslims out of the country after 9/11, sealed our borders and told them all to "f" themselves...But that's hindsight. I truly now believe the best we can really do is to just protect ourselves as best we can. It gets mucked up in trying to decide how to do it. I do not believe that NOW at this juncture we can just sit back and watch and not look out for ourselves. The tricky part is deciding what to get involved in...I don't trust any of the assholes in Washington..It's not that I necessarily disagree with you, but I just don't believe we can be passive in these times. But jumping into every country's problems is not the solution- I agree with you there.
Cheese Puff Daddy

Park Hills, MO

#15 Apr 27, 2013
FriendofDog wrote:
<quoted text>I think part of it is deciding "what is sticking our nose in someone else's business" and "What is in the best interests of AMerica" and I think the line is blurred. Surely you don't think that America joining WWII was a mistake do you? We were there for the right reasons. Vietnam (which I thought was a huge mistake), Korea and fast forward to Iraq and Afghanistan. I supported Bush and believed in going to Afghanistan and Iraq at that time. Now? Not so much. Frankly I think we would have been better served to kick all the Muslims out of the country after 9/11, sealed our borders and told them all to "f" themselves...But that's hindsight. I truly now believe the best we can really do is to just protect ourselves as best we can. It gets mucked up in trying to decide how to do it. I do not believe that NOW at this juncture we can just sit back and watch and not look out for ourselves. The tricky part is deciding what to get involved in...I don't trust any of the assholes in Washington..It's not that I necessarily disagree with you, but I just don't believe we can be passive in these times. But jumping into every country's problems is not the solution- I agree with you there.
To me WWII was the last war the United States entered into that was a must go, the world depends on us type deal. Those folks were called the greatest generation for a reason. I too supported Bush at first but who of us thought that we'd be there going on 12 years? I understand your frustrations towards radical Islam but not all Muslims are that way. In fact the radicals on represent a small portion of them. I have Muslim friends and they're just like us, they work to support their families and are just trying to make it in the world. John Lennon was killed by a radical Christian, Timothy McVeigh was a radical Christian also but not once have I heard anyone say we should ship off all the Christians and close our borders. There are evil people in this world. There always will be and there's nothing we can do about it and still live in a "free" society. From Korea on I question our Governments motives in sending our troops to war. I, like you, have a great distrust in the UnitedStates government, they've done nothing to earn any trust and everything to alienate it.
Cheese Puff Daddy

Park Hills, MO

#16 Apr 27, 2013
Silverado wrote:
<quoted text>Regardless of our occupation in any country, we are still going to be seen as the Great Satan and people are still going to try to blow up our civilians. Whether it be because Muslims want to rule the world or they hate our stance on Israel or one of the many dozens of other reasons to hate us, they are still going to want to blow up our citizens, regardless if we "mind our own business" or not.

If our having bases in other countries prevents wars from occurring on our own soil, I'm all for it.
These terrorist attacks ARE a form of war on our own soil. It's sad that the media has the people of the United States brainwashed into thinking all Muslims hate America. Most of them don't give us a second thought until they see our military strolling through their back yard. Before the first Gulf War, how many extremist Islamic terrorist attacks did we have here?
USA

Bluff City, TN

#17 Apr 27, 2013
dollars and sense wrote:
Why don't we just organize a group of pro-American terrorist? Fund them with tons of money, just like the so called Arab friends do. Let them wreak havoc overseas while under "cover". The United States can always say "we are doing our best to quell them." Just like the phony Arab countries do. Government funding would not be a problem. We could hide behind the same stuff these Mideast countries do. "We are doing everything in our powers to control these hell bent radicals". For every one American killed, multiply it by 1000 in response. That just might make these parasitic countries face the facts.
History has proven that the only way to deal with these animals is to overwhelm them with force. I'm not a blood and guts guy, just saying America has put up with this kind of bullshit long enuff.
Another way would be to leave their asses alone. We invade their countries. My god, we killed 130,000 Iraqis. WE ARE THE TERRORISTS. and until America understands that, we are going t get bombed. Ad right so.
George bush is a war criminal and I hope both he and Cheney end up in hell.
Have a very nice day
USA

Bluff City, TN

#18 Apr 27, 2013
FriendofDog wrote:
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I think part of it is deciding "what is sticking our nose in someone else's business" and "What is in the best interests of AMerica" and I think the line is blurred. Surely you don't think that America joining WWII was a mistake do you? We were there for the right reasons. Vietnam (which I thought was a huge mistake), Korea and fast forward to Iraq and Afghanistan. I supported Bush and believed in going to Afghanistan and Iraq at that time. Now? Not so much. Frankly I think we would have been better served to kick all the Muslims out of the country after 9/11, sealed our borders and told them all to "f" themselves...But that's hindsight. I truly now believe the best we can really do is to just protect ourselves as best we can. It gets mucked up in trying to decide how to do it. I do not believe that NOW at this juncture we can just sit back and watch and not look out for ourselves. The tricky part is deciding what to get involved in...I don't trust any of the assholes in Washington..It's not that I necessarily disagree with you, but I just don't believe we can be passive in these times. But jumping into every country's problems is not the solution- I agree with you there.
Leave them alone and they will leave us alone. Period. But see, we have a $686 billion dollar war machine that needs feeding and bush and Cheney fed them our children. I hope they end up in hell. No offense
Silverado

Elizabethton, TN

#19 Apr 27, 2013
Cheese Puff Daddy wrote:
<quoted text>
These terrorist attacks ARE a form of war on our own soil. It's sad that the media has the people of the United States brainwashed into thinking all Muslims hate America. Most of them don't give us a second thought until they see our military strolling through their back yard. Before the first Gulf War, how many extremist Islamic terrorist attacks did we have here?
Come on CPD, let's not play word games. You know what kind of war I'm referring to - an all out aerial, naval, and land occupation. As for attacks on American citizens by extremist Islamic groups prior to the first Gulf War:

04/14/72
01/19/73
07/01/73
07/18/73
10/19/73
10/29/73
11/25/73
12/11/73
12/13/73
12/20/73
12/22/73
12/24/73
01/24/74
04/01/74
04/16/74
03/09/77
07/22/80
08/31/80
11/06/89
01/31/90
11/05/90

And these don't even take into account the numerous attacks against American embassies around the world where many Americans have lost their lives. The wars on Arab soil are just an excuse to extend a hatred that has existed for decades.
Silverado

Elizabethton, TN

#20 Apr 27, 2013
USA wrote:
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Leave them alone and they will leave us alone. Period. But see, we have a $686 billion dollar war machine that needs feeding and bush and Cheney fed them our children. I hope they end up in hell. No offense
I thought Obama was supposed to clip the tit that fed the machine, wasn't he? Maybe he arrived in office and became enlightened to info that people like you and I haven't been. Still occupying Afghanistan into Obama's second term should be very telling to those of us have questioned our continued occupation there - the threat against our country may be more sever than what we are being told.

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