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Newt Gingrich

Linville, NC

#62 Mar 21, 2013
Hillbillyboy wrote:
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Not.
That is ridiculous, butr an often used fasle argument from the left.
Every sort of evil derives from this false logic as you just presented.
Evils such as this latest bit of socialist stupidity from the UK, which is a wet dream society that our own leftist often point to as a "model society". Check this out...
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/420...
Thats right. The UK socialist regime is banning school children from making best friends. How ridiculous!
But thier argument in support of the latest Orwellian evil, hinges on a variation of the very argument that you just posed.
And its wrong. The government does not own our emotions or our bodies, despite what you socialist may think.
This is the old socialist thinking that the government owns us and must control everything we do, down to the smallest detail.
Slavery is a sin, BTW. You should stop promoting and defending it.
You are a Socialist Hillbillyboy. When you "choose" not to get coverage you want the rest of us to pay your medical bills if you have a heart attack. The idea behind Romneycare and Obamacare was developed initially by the Heritage Foundation. Are they socialist?
Hillbillyboy

United States

#63 Mar 21, 2013
Newt Gingrich wrote:
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You are a Socialist Hillbillyboy. When you "choose" not to get coverage you want the rest of us to pay your medical bills if you have a heart attack. The idea behind Romneycare and Obamacare was developed initially by the Heritage Foundation. Are they socialist?
I dont want you to pay nothing.

You dont get it, do you?

I want you to leave me alone and quite telling me what you and society and the damned communist are going to do to me.

If I get sick I will pay for the treatment. If I cant pay then Ill hump up on the mountain and root hog or die.

I would rather be free than have a bunch of half baked quacks clucking over me. Obamacare is probably going to have a lot of experimental programs, or low cost (read placebo) medicines anyway.

I dont think Obamacare treatment is going to be any better than the treatment that farmers do for sick hogs anyway.

Thats another thing that you arent getting. You wont have good medical treatment anymore. Not under Obamacare.

It will be far more expensive, true enough.

But it wont be better. It will be unavailable, except on paper.

On paper youll be covered, sure enough. But in reality, they will give you an old cold tater and tell ye to wait.

That is the trouble with the Obamacare question. Democrats can only see the theoretical. Conservatives can see the reality behind the theory (the real world, where the rubber meets the road).

If I get sick, would rather just go dig up some yellow root in the mountains to gnaw on until I get better, and tell the government Obamaquacks to go suck a lemon.

In a free country, I would have the right to do that. But in the communist nation that Obama and you are building, we wont even have the chance to say that.

Freedom is more important to me than crackpot theory or placebo pills.
Needed

Linville, NC

#64 Mar 21, 2013
Hillbillyboy wrote:
<quoted text>
I dont want you to pay nothing.
You dont get it, do you?
I want you to leave me alone and quite telling me what you and society and the damned communist are going to do to me.
If I get sick I will pay for the treatment. If I cant pay then Ill hump up on the mountain and root hog or die.
I would rather be free than have a bunch of half baked quacks clucking over me. Obamacare is probably going to have a lot of experimental programs, or low cost (read placebo) medicines anyway.
I dont think Obamacare treatment is going to be any better than the treatment that farmers do for sick hogs anyway.
Thats another thing that you arent getting. You wont have good medical treatment anymore. Not under Obamacare.
It will be far more expensive, true enough.
But it wont be better. It will be unavailable, except on paper.
On paper youll be covered, sure enough. But in reality, they will give you an old cold tater and tell ye to wait.
That is the trouble with the Obamacare question. Democrats can only see the theoretical. Conservatives can see the reality behind the theory (the real world, where the rubber meets the road).
If I get sick, would rather just go dig up some yellow root in the mountains to gnaw on until I get better, and tell the government Obamaquacks to go suck a lemon.
In a free country, I would have the right to do that. But in the communist nation that Obama and you are building, we wont even have the chance to say that.
Freedom is more important to me than crackpot theory or placebo pills.
What you don't understand is that people that are covered pay for those who choose not to be. Unless you are a multi-millionaire you would never be able to pay for a catostrophic health incident. Obamacare is about having everyone take personal responsibility. People like you cost everyone with health insurance an average of $1,500 a year. Stop your mooching and get out of your fantacyland of going to the mountains to die. I you are at the store and have a heart attack someone will call an ambulance and we will end up paying your bill. Don't be a leech. Don't force us to be socialist for you!
Hillbillyboy

United States

#65 Mar 21, 2013
Needed wrote:
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What you don't understand is that people that are covered pay for those who choose not to be. Unless you are a multi-millionaire you would never be able to pay for a catostrophic health incident. Obamacare is about having everyone take personal responsibility. People like you cost everyone with health insurance an average of $1,500 a year. Stop your mooching and get out of your fantacyland of going to the mountains to die. I you are at the store and have a heart attack someone will call an ambulance and we will end up paying your bill. Don't be a leech. Don't force us to be socialist for you!
You shouldnt make assumptions that you cant back up. I aint costing you anything.

I pay my own way, thank ye very much. And I just want to be left alone.
Hillbillyboy

United States

#66 Mar 21, 2013
BTW, you said some things about leeches (even called me one, but I aint mad at ye).

Isnt Obamacare actually going to turn this into a "leech nation" of out of control entitlement spending?

Look how the number of people on food stamps has just about doubled under him?

Entitlements here, European-like nanny state programs there. This is the setting up of a nanny state. And it is unsustainable there.

Even more so here, because we are the worlds biggest debtor nation. When we run out of other peoples money, we will fall with a thud so loud that the whole world will shake.

And what happens when a socialist nanny state runs out of money?

Click on the link and see what the British media says about it. The London riots are a good example of a nanny state making minor cutbacks because of lack of money to fund the unsustainable nanny state ideology (warning, may be graphic)...



This is what is sure to happen in America unless we repeal Obamacare. It is unsustainable, and it is setting us up for failure.

Catastrophic failure.

Socialism dont work in Europe. It didnt work in Eastern Europe or the old USSR, and it simply wont work here either. Socialism doesnt work anywhere.

And unless we rid ourselves of this menace, America will suffer even worse than these other failed nations, simply because we are so much bigger.

And that is not a theory.It is a mathematical fact.
Needed

Linville, NC

#67 Mar 21, 2013
Medical bills are leading reasons people declare bankruptcy in the U.S. Many of those individuals and families have insurance. There is no excuse for that in the U.S.A. You never have answered what type of coverage you enjoy.illbillyboy.
wonder woman

United States

#68 Mar 21, 2013
Hillbillyboy wrote:
<quoted text>You shouldnt make assumptions that you cant back up. I aint costing you anything.

I pay my own way, thank ye very much. And I just want to be left alone.
Conservative idiot hypocrites like you make me sick. You want less government and you want "to be left alone" but people like you want to tell everyone else how to live. You want women to have no rights at all, you are against marriage equality(which will happen whether you like it or not BTW) no abortion, yet you want the death penalty. You conservitards are walking contradictions. If you want to be left alone so bad bye a private island or go live off the grid on a mountain and leave the rest of us decent people alone.
Hillbillyboy

United States

#69 Mar 21, 2013
Needed wrote:
Medical bills are leading reasons people declare bankruptcy in the U.S. Many of those individuals and families have insurance. There is no excuse for that in the U.S.A. You never have answered what type of coverage you enjoy.illbillyboy.
I have answered you repeatedly that I am not going to tell you, either. But you can go on asking anyway. Im not offended by your asking.

Actually, I think Im starting to like you.

You do seem to be able to debate a scruffy old curmuffigan like me and keep your patients and civility. I admire that in a man. Patients is a credit to any man, so your winning my grudging respect.

So lets keep talking. We can settle down to an honest debate and talk sense. We might even find some common ground, you and I?

And yes, I agree with you that everyone should have access to health care coverage, and I also agree that the cost of healthcare and the bankruptcy issue is one that we should do something about.

Common ground?

But I am also concerned about the loss of freedom. After all, freedom has to come first. It has to trump everything else, for we are lost without it. Nothing at all matters if we loose our freedom, no matter how high that cost may be.

Even if it costs us everything.

But it doesnt have to. There are other solutions to the health care problem that do not include the odious things about Obamacare that I just cant stand.

Like the mandatory part.

If Obamacare was an optional plan for the poor and those in the catch 22 cracks, then I would be its biggest supporter.
superman

Elizabethton, TN

#70 Mar 21, 2013
wonder woman wrote:
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Conservative idiot hypocrites like you make me sick. You want less government and you want "to be left alone" but people like you want to tell everyone else how to live. You want women to have no rights at all, you are against marriage equality(which will happen whether you like it or not BTW) no abortion, yet you want the death penalty. You conservitards are walking contradictions. If you want to be left alone so bad bye a private island or go live off the grid on a mountain and leave the rest of us decent people alone.
Yes, darling, you are right. One day man will be able to stick his penis in anything he wants and woman can have anything or anyone stuck into her vagina, we will be able to kill all the fetuses we want without repercussion, and the stories of murderers will be lauded because of their horrible upbringings and what they had to endure that surely created what they became.

Yes, sweetums, you will get all that and more one of these days. In fact, every fallen civilization got the very things you are asking for right before they became, well....fallen. Enjoy!!!!!!
wonder woman

United States

#71 Mar 21, 2013
superman wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, darling, you are right. One day man will be able to stick his penis in anything he wants and woman can have anything or anyone stuck into her vagina, we will be able to kill all the fetuses we want without repercussion, and the stories of murderers will be lauded because of their horrible upbringings and what they had to endure that surely created what they became.

Yes, sweetums, you will get all that and more one of these days. In fact, every fallen civilization got the very things you are asking for right before they became, well....fallen. Enjoy!!!!!!
LOL Live in fear if you like but no modern civilization has fallen due to having marriage equality and women's rights.
you are disgusting

Johnson City, TN

#72 Mar 21, 2013
superman wrote:
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Yes, darling, you are right. One day man will be able to stick his penis in anything he wants and woman can have anything or anyone stuck into her vagina, we will be able to kill all the fetuses we want without repercussion, and the stories of murderers will be lauded because of their horrible upbringings and what they had to endure that surely created what they became.
Yes, sweetums, you will get all that and more one of these days. In fact, every fallen civilization got the very things you are asking for right before they became, well....fallen. Enjoy!!!!!!
Aren't you proud of yourself and your filthy mouth. Somebody needs to report this as abuse and get this taken off!!!
dumb

Abingdon, VA

#73 Mar 21, 2013
superman wrote:
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Yes, darling, you are right. One day man will be able to stick his penis in anything he wants and woman can have anything or anyone stuck into her vagina, we will be able to kill all the fetuses we want without repercussion, and the stories of murderers will be lauded because of their horrible upbringings and what they had to endure that surely created what they became.
Yes, sweetums, you will get all that and more one of these days. In fact, every fallen civilization got the very things you are asking for right before they became, well....fallen. Enjoy!!!!!!
You Sir are neither super nor are you a man.
superman

Elizabethton, TN

#74 Mar 22, 2013
wonder woman wrote:
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LOL Live in fear if you like but no modern civilization has fallen due to having marriage equality and women's rights.
"Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
superman

Elizabethton, TN

#75 Mar 22, 2013
you are disgusting wrote:
<quoted text>Aren't you proud of yourself and your filthy mouth. Somebody needs to report this as abuse and get this taken off!!!
I am glad that it sickens you....as it should. Unfortunately, we have people in our country fighting FOR the very things I mentioned. That should be what sickens you.
superman

Elizabethton, TN

#76 Mar 22, 2013
dumb wrote:
<quoted text>
You Sir are neither super nor are you a man.
I am both and so much more.
wonder woman

Jonesborough, TN

#77 Mar 22, 2013
dumb wrote:
<quoted text>You Sir are neither super nor are you a man.
You are so correct.
wonder woman

Jonesborough, TN

#78 Mar 22, 2013
superman wrote:
<quoted text>"Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
No modern civilization has fallen due to marriage equality and women's rights.
Needed

Linville, NC

#79 Mar 22, 2013
Hillbillyboy wrote:
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I have answered you repeatedly that I am not going to tell you, either. But you can go on asking anyway. Im not offended by your asking.
Actually, I think Im starting to like you.
You do seem to be able to debate a scruffy old curmuffigan like me and keep your patients and civility. I admire that in a man. Patients is a credit to any man, so your winning my grudging respect.
So lets keep talking. We can settle down to an honest debate and talk sense. We might even find some common ground, you and I?
And yes, I agree with you that everyone should have access to health care coverage, and I also agree that the cost of healthcare and the bankruptcy issue is one that we should do something about.
Common ground?
But I am also concerned about the loss of freedom. After all, freedom has to come first. It has to trump everything else, for we are lost without it. Nothing at all matters if we loose our freedom, no matter how high that cost may be.
Even if it costs us everything.
But it doesnt have to. There are other solutions to the health care problem that do not include the odious things about Obamacare that I just cant stand.
Like the mandatory part.
If Obamacare was an optional plan for the poor and those in the catch 22 cracks, then I would be its biggest supporter.
Obamacare is a conservative idea which requires everyone to participate in order to keep premiums low. Now Insurance companies "cherry pick" people they cover and until Obamacare refused to cover those with "pre-existing conditions". Insurance company employees, i.e. bureaucrats with no medical training denied care that doctors recommended for their patients so as not to affect their bottom line profit. The mandatory aspect of Obamacare that was originally proposed by the Heritage Foundation and was the foundation of Romneycare is a necessary evil so as to create a pool of covered individuals who pay premiums. Should it be voluntary the majority of individuals with coverage will need the most care and those who are well (medically speaking) will not choose to get coverage until they need it. That being the case it will not be economically feasible to operate. The manadatory aspect of the law is necessary to make it work.
Hillbillyboy

Oklahoma City, OK

#80 Mar 22, 2013
wonder woman wrote:
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No modern civilization has fallen due to marriage equality and women's rights.
The way you put them, they almost sound like good things; marriage equality and womens rights. But is this is just a euphemism? Is this putting a nice PC term to the age old concept of hedonism (anything goes).

Or, sin. That is what you really mean, isnt it? Hedonism?

Unless I misunderstand you, I think you aren't really concerned about womens rights or marriage equality at all? But I think you are just putting PC spin terms on hedonism, anything goes?

Let me see if I can fathom the PC spin terms you are using...Lets see...

Marriage rights equals gay marriage, or any other non-traditional other marriage?

Womens rights could be anything, even actually womens rights? Ill leave that alone and lets just talk about marriage equality, whatever that is.

Do you seek a removal of traditional norms and mores in favor of hedonism? Hedonism, where there are no absolute values? Where anything goes and there is no one to say this is wrong or that is wrong...where you no longer recognize right from wrong?

You are being quite deceptive when you say that no modern society has fallen from those things you mention. But they themselves are just euphemisms, so what is it your really saying? That no modern society has fallen from...hedonism?

When you say that no modern society has fallen from these hedonistic things, its another deception.

Every society that has them present, a little bit, has indeed fell a little bit. The more hedonistic, the more fallen.

You PC leftist often point to Britain as the shining example of what you want us to be like (no doubt you do).

Great Britain used to have a global empire, its citizens used to be free and then they could own guns, had relatively low taxes, and so on. That was back when they still worshipped God and followed Biblical standards and had values.

But they became hedonistic, turned away from God as a nation, and now look at them. By enforced government policy, and by plain old sin and debauchery, Britain has sank lower and lower into hedonism.

They are no longer great, nor do they have an empire. They are just a tiny, broken and impoverished little piss ant country dangling off the arse of Europe like a tick on a dogs butt. Their citizens cant own guns anymore, and they have lost most other freedoms in their socialist nanny state.

If you walk down the street, you can see the biggest part of mothers pushing prams are unmarried mothers. The young people (such as the chavs) go about festooned with tattoos and body piercings, and they loudly spew out an almost unintelligible form of English that uses a profanity to connect every other word.

In other words, its a hellhole.

A couple of years ago, their own people burned down their own cities. Hedonism does indeed have a price.

Even the Scots want to break away from them. So they went from being Grerat Britain (had to change the name because they arent great anymore), so they adopted the PC name United Kingdom (but they wont be united anymore if the Scots break away).

So what will we call the place? England?

Probably, unless it breaks up into shires.

Lesson from all of this? Hedonism does not equal freedom.
wonder woman

Tucker, GA

#81 Mar 22, 2013
Oh Billy boy you do like to ramble on to try and make yourself seem intelligent don't you. Sorry, Fluffy, everyone sees right through you. You really have nerve to compare marriage equality to hedonism. The divorce rate among heterosexual couples is nearing 50% within the first ten years of marriage. Over half of those divorces list infidelity as the reason for divorce. Sounds a little hedonistic right there doesn't it? Also since you brought up the bible and religion lets explore what traditional marriage according to the bible. Is a contract where the woman is treated like property. It was usually a business deal between her father and a potential mate. Often times the woman never even knew her husband before she was forced to marry him and even then at a price. Husbands were allowed to have as many concubines as they wanted that sounds a little like hedonism to me. I'm talking about two people who love each other and are committed to each other enjoying the responsibility and rewards of that commitment. Being able to build lives and homes together with no worries that you will be forced out of that home if one partner dies or not being able to make decisions on your partners behalf if they were unable to. That you backwoods idiotic hypocrite is not hedonism. I'm not even going to respond to your asinine statements about women's rights. I wish you conservitards could come up with a good reason as to why this would cause our civilization to crnle but you always have to go back to the old religion argument. The same arguments you probably used to try and fight interracial marriage. BTW your bible says it is ok to own slaves. How many do you have? If your going to follow one bible verse shouldn't you follow them all? YAWN. It's played out pumpkin, and defeated with one simple phrase: separation of church and state. Plus who says your religion is the right one? You can't prove all the millions of other religions are wrong. Can you?? I would love to see that!! Please sit on your front porch and try to whittle yourself a brain and realize its a big wide world and there is room for us all.

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