Republican led House of Representatives
WTF

Johnson City, TN

#41 Mar 17, 2013
Needed wrote:
Everyone in the U.S. should have access to health care, the same as they should not go hungry, and be afforded an education. Republicans are against health care for all, unless you can afford it, they want to cut food stamps and school lunches for the poor in our country, they want to abolish the Department of Education, cut Pell Grants, and hated it when President Obama too the middleman out of student loans. That's what Republicans are for. I say let's help one another!
I would tend to agree with you about folks not going hungry and all being that we supposedly live in the wealthiest and greatest country in the world, but it seems in reality it's only that for about 1% of us.

IMO all federal politicians should be fired for failing miserably to execute their primary functions as our elected officials. They can point fingers all damn day but ALL of them are responsible for the sad state our country is in. What we need is to do away with all special interest groups and lobbyists and reform of the positions by way of term limits, pay tied to the median income of their constituents or home state, no free health care, and NO lifetime benefits. There should be no such thing as a professional/lifetime politician. Also it wouldn't hurt if some of our representatives came from walks of life besides self serving conniving manipulative lawyers.
interesting

Abingdon, VA

#42 Mar 17, 2013
WTF wrote:
<quoted text>
What we need is to do away with all special interest groups and lobbyists and reform of the positions by way of term limits, pay tied to the median income of their constituents or home state, no free health care, and NO lifetime benefits. There should be no such thing as a professional/lifetime politician. Also it wouldn't hurt if some of our representatives came from walks of life besides self serving conniving manipulative lawyers.
Unfortunately that will never happen because it would require changing the constitution and the people in power reaping all of the benefits have to vote on that and they never would. They're in a win/win situation now so why would they change it. Even if they get voted out they still maintain influence and end up being an executive of some company that bought them while they were in office. The whole system is corrupt and disgusting.
Hillbillyboy

United States

#43 Mar 17, 2013
Needed wrote:
Everyone in the U.S. should have access to health care, the same as they should not go hungry, and be afforded an education. Republicans are against health care for all, unless you can afford it, they want to cut food stamps and school lunches for the poor in our country, they want to abolish the Department of Education, cut Pell Grants, and hated it when President Obama too the middleman out of student loans. That's what Republicans are for. I say let's help one another!
If Obamacare was optional, then it would not be tyrannical. But when it is mandatory and enforced by the penalty of the IRS (which then makes it prison) for simply not participating, then it is tyranny.

So, you are saying that everyone in the country has the right to...suffer tyranny?
Hillbillyboy

United States

#44 Mar 17, 2013
Tea party crackpots wrote:
The Tea party is so yesterday and I blame them and their extreme views on social issues for pushing Romney too far to the right. They caused the so called "War on Women" that saw republican women vote for Obama. Republicans need to distance themselves from the tea party or they will never win the presidency. There are only so many old white wealthy males around and they are dying out daily! Either change or be left behind, and stop encouraging Sarah Palin, Todd Akin, Donald Trump etc, to deliver your message!!
What "war on women" are you talking about? I must have missed that one.

Romney to far to the right? He designed the healthcare system that Obamacare was based on, and he compromised away his states freedoms left and right with endless PC laws. He was a weak washrag if anything, and came off that way to Republicans voters.

He needed some backbone.

In the election, Romney vowed to repeal Obamacare and replace it with his clone Obamacare.

He must have missed the Republican voters who were telling him that we wanted Obamacare repealed and replaced with...nothing. We just wanted to be left alone and not have some massive new tyranny draped over us, whatever the name.

Romney was weak, and appeared weak on TV. He gave a lot of canned, well rehearsed lines, but whenever he was asked a question that he hadnt rehearsed for, he just went to his default setting and said the same well rehearsed lines. Even if they didnt apply to the question.

In other words, he looked like just another phoney conservative who would compromise away this and compromise away that and not protect our freedoms or the Constitution.

And you say he was too far to the right?

And then he hooked up with Ryan and he brought in all sorts of wierdo ideas and scared granny into thinking that he was going to take away her social security check (he might have too).

The last election was the Republicans to loose. They had to work really hard to mess it up like they did. Only the supreme stupidity of the GOP leadership allowed them to loose to an unpopular leftist incumbent.

Anybody who thinks the Tea Party is yesterdays news is out of touch. It is being hammered into a viable party, with a viable platform, even as we speak. Its in the shop, so to speak.

As to the old rich guys you are talking about, that aint the Tea party. That is the GOP (big difference). And Palin isnt the reason that McCain lost. McCain was the reason the GOP lost.

Look at who they send out to the voters? Bob Dole. McCain, Romney. Who is next, Pee Wee Herman?

The only reason Bush won was everybody was so sick of the Clintons and their PC mania.

Anyway, I can see from some of the comments from our democratic supporters that they really are out of touch with what is going on in the conservative world. And that is just exactly what I said was going on several posts ago.

The dems won, but they have the totally wrong idea of exactly why they won. And that will be their undoing once the Tea Party comes out of the shop, and the GOP finishes imploding.

Time will tell.
interesting

Abingdon, VA

#45 Mar 18, 2013
Hillbillyboy wrote:
<quoted text>
But when it is mandatory and enforced by the penalty of the IRS (which then makes it prison) for simply not participating, then it is tyranny.
Not true...more Fox news scare tactics and misinformation.
Hillbillyboy

United States

#46 Mar 18, 2013
interesting wrote:
<quoted text>
Not true...more Fox news scare tactics and misinformation.
You are full of leftist propaganda and that is just down right lies.

You can pull your head out of your Fox phobia. I dont need Fox news to tell me something as simple and clear as this. Any time something is forced upon me by some government, is tyranny.

I dont want Obamacare.

I dont want the IRS to confiscate my money or my stuff if I dont participate in Obamacare.

But they will.

That is because Obamacare is tyranny, and Obama is a tyrant.

You leftist will circle the wagaomns around him and you will nevere, ever, ever allow the turth to be said by anybody. You just attack all voices of reason.

Leftist thugs. That is what you are. The ugly face of socialism.

Im sure that if Obama gave the word, and you had a gulag to put me in, you wouldnt hesitate to round up everyone who disagrees with the leftist, and simply herd us into the trucks, would you.

That is how depraved and radical and dangerous you and your kind are.

Leftist
wonder woman

Tucker, GA

#47 Mar 18, 2013
Hillbillyboy wrote:
<quoted text>You are full of leftist propaganda and that is just down right lies.

You can pull your head out of your Fox phobia. I dont need Fox news to tell me something as simple and clear as this. Any time something is forced upon me by some government, is tyranny.

I dont want Obamacare.

I dont want the IRS to confiscate my money or my stuff if I dont participate in Obamacare.

But they will.

That is because Obamacare is tyranny, and Obama is a tyrant.

You leftist will circle the wagaomns around him and you will nevere, ever, ever allow the turth to be said by anybody. You just attack all voices of reason.

Leftist thugs. That is what you are. The ugly face of socialism.

Im sure that if Obama gave the word, and you had a gulag to put me in, you wouldnt hesitate to round up everyone who disagrees with the leftist, and simply herd us into the trucks, would you.

That is how depraved and radical and dangerous you and your kind are.

Leftist
You have went from being slightly amusing to being a full on lunatic.
Hillbillyboy

United States

#48 Mar 18, 2013
wonder woman wrote:
<quoted text>
You have went from being slightly amusing to being a full on lunatic.
No I havent. I was defending myself from a needless "strawman" attack.

If you or some of the other leftist posters went back and actually read my posts concerning the Tea Party, then you might realize that I am not promoting the Tea Party.

I am merely thinking out loud and making predictions based on what I see going on today.

But the leftist supporters here see any voice that does not agree in mindless lock step with them, as someone who should be attacked. So you mindlessly attack.

And the previous poster was using a "strawman" tactic, in building up a red herring, putting words in the opponents mouth, and then tearing down the strawman and making it appear that he is destroying the arguments of his opponents.

When all he is really destroying is the strawman that he himself created.

Its a dirty debating tactic that kids learn in college. Professors who oversee the debating clubs will usually recognize a srawman gambit for what it is and summarily flunk the students who use them.

But the internet is not as well regulated, so dishonest debaters use these strawman tactics all the time.

So based on your own comments, I can only guess that either you are uneducated and didnt even know what a strawman tactic is or how to recognize one...or you do indeed know but are dishonest enough to join in with someone who is using one.

You should do some soul searching. Are you truly so morally bankrupt that you will join in with someone using the dishonest "strawman tactic" just because they are "on your side"?

I dont want dishonest people on my side. I would rather have the truth on my side.

But then again, I am not a leftist extremist.
Silverado

Elizabethton, TN

#49 Mar 18, 2013
Needed wrote:
<quoted text>
Gore won the popular vote in the 2000 election but lost 7 to 2 in the Supreme Court. Look what that got America!Republicans are out of touch Silverado and will not win for quite some time is my prediction.
I respectfully beg to differ. Even you libs are eventually going to tire of the incessant "gimme, gimme, gimme" attitudes of the people associated with your party. Obamacare will eventually be repealed or so watered down because of its failures that Obama will walk out of office much as Bush did in his final days - in shame. And in his later autobiographies he'll still be blaming Bush.....
interesting

Abingdon, VA

#50 Mar 18, 2013
Hillbillyboy wrote:
<quoted text>
You are full of leftist propaganda and that is just down right lies.
Says the guy who spouts misinformation saying you go to jail for not having medical care...get a clue.
Hillbillyboy

United States

#51 Mar 18, 2013
interesting wrote:
<quoted text>
Says the guy who spouts misinformation saying you go to jail for not having medical care...get a clue.
Obamacare is enforced by the brutality of the IRS. If you dont enroll in Obamacare,then the IRS comes down on you and penalizes you. But what happens if you dont pay the Obamacare penalty the IRS assess upon you?

Tax evasion.

Have you not known that the IRS has put a lot of people in prison over the years for this?

Ah yes, the truth and logic comes out. The truth is the very thing Americas leftist dont want us to see.

Ever wonder why they are always attacking Fox news? What is it that they dont want the people to see or hear?

Its called the truth. Its called reason and logic, and you wont find either of them on the mainstream leftist media.

Leftist cannot win a debate based on facts or reason or simple logic. They cannot win in a debate against conservatism once the truth comes out in any debate.

So they attack the messengers of conservatism.

The fact that the leftist hide the truth, misrepresent or twist facts, or just plain lie, is of no consequence to them. The leftist attack dogs seem to have consciousnesses that have been seared with a hot iron, so as to no longer issue any pangs of remorse or guilt about what they do, or the dishonest tactics that they use.

How can these people live with themselves?

Oh, wait, I just answered that question, didnt I?

So I say this to you...get a clue. Recognize the lies in the leftist propaganda, and research these matters out for yourself, and with an open mind. Otherwise, you will become likened unto them.

As Shakespeare once said, "To thine own self be true".
Silverado

Elizabethton, TN

#52 Mar 18, 2013
Hillbillyboy wrote:
<quoted text>
Obamacare is enforced by the brutality of the IRS. If you dont enroll in Obamacare,then the IRS comes down on you and penalizes you. But what happens if you dont pay the Obamacare penalty the IRS assess upon you?
Tax evasion.
Have you not known that the IRS has put a lot of people in prison over the years for this?
Ah yes, the truth and logic comes out. The truth is the very thing Americas leftist dont want us to see.
Ever wonder why they are always attacking Fox news? What is it that they dont want the people to see or hear?
Its called the truth. Its called reason and logic, and you wont find either of them on the mainstream leftist media.
Leftist cannot win a debate based on facts or reason or simple logic. They cannot win in a debate against conservatism once the truth comes out in any debate.
So they attack the messengers of conservatism.
The fact that the leftist hide the truth, misrepresent or twist facts, or just plain lie, is of no consequence to them. The leftist attack dogs seem to have consciousnesses that have been seared with a hot iron, so as to no longer issue any pangs of remorse or guilt about what they do, or the dishonest tactics that they use.
How can these people live with themselves?
Oh, wait, I just answered that question, didnt I?
So I say this to you...get a clue. Recognize the lies in the leftist propaganda, and research these matters out for yourself, and with an open mind. Otherwise, you will become likened unto them.
As Shakespeare once said, "To thine own self be true".
HB, the libs have been spoon-fed propaganda from the media for so long they wouldn't know the truth if it hit them square in the face. I find it hilarious that even the late night lefist entertainers are now joking about Obama's "everything he touches is gold" mentality he receives from the mainstream media. And they have the gall to call FOX News biased.
interesting

Abingdon, VA

#53 Mar 18, 2013
Hillbillyboy wrote:
<quoted text>
Obamacare is enforced by the brutality of the IRS. If you dont enroll in Obamacare,then the IRS comes down on you and penalizes you. But what happens if you dont pay the Obamacare penalty the IRS assess upon you?
Tax evasion.
Have you not known that the IRS has put a lot of people in prison over the years for this?
Ah yes, the truth and logic comes out. The truth is the very thing Americas leftist dont want us to see.
Ever wonder why they are always attacking Fox news? What is it that they dont want the people to see or hear?
Its called the truth. Its called reason and logic, and you wont find either of them on the mainstream leftist media.
Leftist cannot win a debate based on facts or reason or simple logic. They cannot win in a debate against conservatism once the truth comes out in any debate.
So they attack the messengers of conservatism.
The fact that the leftist hide the truth, misrepresent or twist facts, or just plain lie, is of no consequence to them. The leftist attack dogs seem to have consciousnesses that have been seared with a hot iron, so as to no longer issue any pangs of remorse or guilt about what they do, or the dishonest tactics that they use.
How can these people live with themselves?
Oh, wait, I just answered that question, didnt I?
So I say this to you...get a clue. Recognize the lies in the leftist propaganda, and research these matters out for yourself, and with an open mind. Otherwise, you will become likened unto them.
As Shakespeare once said, "To thine own self be true".
Why don't you read the legislation instead of listening to retards on Fox news? Its written into the law they CANNOT charge you criminally for not paying the penalty/tax. All they can do is sue you for it and the most they can get from suing is twice the amount you owe. Again, I know you have Rush Limbaugh turned up real loud in the other room, the IRS CANNOT charge you or put you in jail under Obamacare!
Hillbillyboy

United States

#54 Mar 18, 2013
interesting wrote:
<quoted text>
Why don't you read the legislation instead of listening to retards on Fox news? Its written into the law they CANNOT charge you criminally for not paying the penalty/tax. All they can do is sue you for it and the most they can get from suing is twice the amount you owe. Again, I know you have Rush Limbaugh turned up real loud in the other room, the IRS CANNOT charge you or put you in jail under Obamacare!
You keep telling yourself that one. Maybe if you say it often enough, you might even mesmerize yourself to believe it?

Remember, the flap over Obamacare is all about limiting the government and what it can and cannot do under the law.

So far, Obama and the leftist are having us play a "moving goalpost game", where they just take more and more power.

They promise they wont take anymore if they just get that one last thing.

Hitler did this as well in the 1930s.

And then, when Obama and the radical left get that last little bit of power...they simply move the goal post and demand more.

You had better hope, for your own sake, that myself and the conservatives like me are able to win the ideological war and translate that into votes in the next election cycles.

Otherwise, you guys are in big trouble, along with the rest of America.

Remember, there isnt a national disaster in the offing for republicans and a separate one for liberals. If America falls into disaster, we all go down into it together as a nation.

So perhaps you should be helping me to save you, instead of opposing me?
Hillbillyboy

United States

#55 Mar 18, 2013
Silverado wrote:
<quoted text>
HB, the libs have been spoon-fed propaganda from the media for so long they wouldn't know the truth if it hit them square in the face. I find it hilarious that even the late night lefist entertainers are now joking about Obama's "everything he touches is gold" mentality he receives from the mainstream media. And they have the gall to call FOX News biased.
I know what you mean, silverado. The liberals are hard wired and closed minded to walk, talk, and attack in lock step. I think I know why.

It is the school system, especially the colleges and universities.

You see, what is taught (the teaching method) is a presupposition.

Students are basically brainwashed that what they are taught is presupposed to be correct. Any information or stimuli that opposes the presupposition is to be disregarded and summarily attacked.

Its an old form of brainwashing. Nothing new here.

This is the polar opposite of what universities and colleges taught before they became infiltrated by leftist during the Cold War.

In years past (before the rise of the leftist in the 1960s) colleges and universities taught the skill of critical thinking, or thinking for ones self.

This isnt taught anymore. No longer do the schools teach students how to think, but what to think.

And it is hard wired by means of teaching the presupposition.
Hillbillyboy

United States

#56 Mar 18, 2013
To all and sundry say I this:

It strikes me as rather sad to forsee the day when many of these young liberal firebrands will wake up one morning and realize that they no longer support the policies of the regime in power, whomever it is by that time.

Then they will seek to enjoin themselves to the opposition party, speak with like minded fellows, and organize legal and lawful redress of grievances.

But there will be none.

Then they will think back to these times when they so fervently sought to destroy all the voices of conservative opposition to the regime. They will rue and regret with disgust, how they attacked and silenced the very people whom they would now seek for aid.

I see that it has never occured to these young Lenins how odious Obamacare really is. It is incidious in that what it does is to force an honest man to lease his freedom from the government, one year at a time.

(As long as the regime allows it, and its subject to change at the regimes whim, BTW).

Let me explain it this way...

Suppose a poor man wishes to be left alone. He must pay whatever exorbitant Obamacare fine the regime deems. If he has property, it is subject to confiscation if he dont pay.

If he does pay his man price to be left alone, then he has ransomed himself for one more year. But he is no longer a free man.

But what of a poor Christian man who has nothing, but thinks the RFD chip clause in the Obamacare law (or added to or changed at the regimes whim) is too close to the Biblical "Mark of the Beast" thing?

If the poor man refuses to accept Obamacare, and he has not the means to ransom his freedom for another year, what then will the regime do with him?

Dismiss the penalty against him and just let him go and be free?

Hardly. An example of authority will have to be made of him. He has defied the regime, after all.

If he has no money to ransom himself, no property to confiscate, then all the regime can do is forget about it and let him go, or send him to prison for as many years as the regime deems proper.

What sort of chaps are these leftist who support Obamacare and all of the mandatory penalties? What sort of chaps support a nation of formerly free citizens being made to lease from the regime, their freedom to just be left alone?

What sort of chaps would do these things to their fellow countrymen?

And this President has a track record of ruling by fiat, and ignoring the law and the Constitution anyway. The next leftist ruler will likely be ever worse.

With the GOP and the conservative movement in tatters, who will protect these young leftist of today, who will be the disillusioned middle-agers and elderly of tomorrow?

They will have no voice. They are destroying it today, by their own actions.
Needed

Linville, NC

#57 Mar 19, 2013
I dont want Obamacare.
What type of coverage do you have Hillbillyboy?
Hillbillyboy

United States

#58 Mar 19, 2013
Needed wrote:
I dont want Obamacare.
What type of coverage do you have Hillbillyboy?
I dont want to reveal too much on the internet. But, it should always be optional (my choice), not mandatory and enforced by the IRS with the threat of confiscation of all of my property, money, savings or worse (prison)...just if I decided I just wanted to be left alone.

Why dont the govt just set up some free clinics and free hospitals for the poor and leave it at that?

Because...

Obamacare aint about helping the poor. That is just a scam that they pan handle off onto the idiots that will be gullible to believe it.

It isnt about helping people, but total control and micromanagement of people.

Control.
Needed

Linville, NC

#59 Mar 19, 2013
Hillbillyboy wrote:
<quoted text>
I dont want to reveal too much on the internet. But, it should always be optional (my choice), not mandatory and enforced by the IRS with the threat of confiscation of all of my property, money, savings or worse (prison)...just if I decided I just wanted to be left alone.
Why dont the govt just set up some free clinics and free hospitals for the poor and leave it at that?
Because...
Obamacare aint about helping the poor. That is just a scam that they pan handle off onto the idiots that will be gullible to believe it.
It isnt about helping people, but total control and micromanagement of people.
Control.
Being "left alone" translates into the rest of society paying your bill if something tragic happens to you Hillbillyboy; does it not?
Hillbillyboy

United States

#60 Mar 20, 2013
Needed wrote:
<quoted text>
Being "left alone" translates into the rest of society paying your bill if something tragic happens to you Hillbillyboy; does it not?
Not.

That is ridiculous, butr an often used fasle argument from the left.

Every sort of evil derives from this false logic as you just presented.

Evils such as this latest bit of socialist stupidity from the UK, which is a wet dream society that our own leftist often point to as a "model society". Check this out...

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/420...

Thats right. The UK socialist regime is banning school children from making best friends. How ridiculous!

But thier argument in support of the latest Orwellian evil, hinges on a variation of the very argument that you just posed.

And its wrong. The government does not own our emotions or our bodies, despite what you socialist may think.

This is the old socialist thinking that the government owns us and must control everything we do, down to the smallest detail.

Slavery is a sin, BTW. You should stop promoting and defending it.

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