Republican led House of Representatives
Posted in the Jonesborough Forum
#1 Mar 7, 2013
I heard today on the Ruch Limbaughshow, that the Republican led House of Representatives is going to pass a bill to fund Obamacare.
That is the very last thing they were elected to do.
Why would we (Republican voters) even bother to vote for these nimrods again, if they are just going to talk conservative in the election cycles, and then just roll over and vote with the Democrats after the election is over?
This is a good case for the Tea Party, isnt it? The GOP leadership isnt listening to the voice of Republican voters.
So, what good are they?
#2 Mar 12, 2013
What type of coverage do you have Hillbillyboy?
In America today the poor have coverage, as do veterans, the old, the young, and the disabled. The only people not covered are working people whose employers do not provide coverage.
You see them everyday when you get gas, or fast food, when you go to Wally-world, or get groceries. In America health care should be a right and not a privilage!!!
Good for them even though I doubt what you say is true based on the way the current House operates.
#3 Mar 13, 2013
Its all part of the growing and stiffling control and over-regulation of every aspect of our lives. The portion control measures by the mayor of New York comes to mind. There, that maniac is trying to regulate what size of soft drinks that restaurants can sell.
Obamacare will be a creeping and suffocating monster. You wait and see.
Another phrase from the Bible comes to me, from the Book of Isaiah, and it goes something like this...(NIV version)
"For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:"...Isaiah 28:10
And then it goes on to verse 28:13 with the result...
..."But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken."...Isaiah 28:13
And that is the flavor of what is going on in our government these days. Its a case of "here a little, there a little, until we become so ensnared that we fall backward and are taken.
That is why the Republicans in the House need to put the lobbyist on hold and go out and actually fight for our freedoms. Otherwise, our end result is mathematical, as explained with the above passages of scripture.
And its all done by "here a little, there a little".
#4 Mar 13, 2013
It is a shame that working people often cannot afford health coverage. It is not the responsibility of employers to provide it however. Those that don't should lose good employees to those that do. Wally does provide coverage but it's not cheap and some people complain that it's not very good. But I take issue with health care as a right. Consumption of services is not a right on par with a right to freedom, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. These are the concepts, the ideas, that were the framework for constructing a nation that rewarded work, thrift, and ability.
Unfortunately we have veered from that path to a society of entitlements. In other words we are trending from capitalism to socialism. Socialism did not work in the Soviet Union and it does not work in Cuba today. Small groups of the population did live in relative luxury in those places, but it was at the expense of the majority of the population.
A new Pope was announced today. He is from Argentina. Believe it or not less than six score ago Argentia's economy was larger than the United States. Then began a decades long experiment, driven not by individual liberties, but rights to consumption. Their economy crumbled brick by brick until collapse. The causes were many but in short needs become more important than ability. Innovation and skills became second fiddle to political maneuvering. The country went from wealth to poverty.
I know some people who make the same argument as you. Health care is a right. But at who's expense? The health care system can be saved but it begins with a recognition that nothing is free. I begins by recognizing that a productive work that generates profit IS the goose that lays the golden egg.
Likely the highest paid executives in this community work at the hospital. A not for profit organization. The rank and file are paid poorly I've heard. Is there a connection? More and more of the economy shifted away from sustainable profit organizations to, in some cases, unsustainable not-for-profit organizations. The public and non-profit sector. Exactly what you are calling for. It's not the answer and certainly not the republicans fault.
P.S. I do believe that society should support families in need. My concern is that if politicians continue the trend of mollifying every voting block, every perceived need, while ignoring innovation and productive work, the goose may succumb from the demands place upon it.
#5 Mar 14, 2013
My dad just spent here months in 4 facilities and hospitals. IT'S A HUGE CATASTROPHIC RIPOFF. HISPITAL ADMINISTRATION LOOKS FOR EVERY SINGLE WAY TO OVERBILL MEDICARE. ALL FOUR OF THEM SENT THEIR SPEECHA DN SWALLOWING TEAM, BLOOD EVERY DAY, BLOOD PRESSURE 6 times PERDAY, IN 65 days, so help me , they Xrayed him every single GD day and NEVER ONCE TOLD US ANY KIND IF RESULT. Just jacking up the bill. You know the little paper cups that they put the pill into to put in your mouth?$6.10....
The guy that runs UNITED HEALTH GROUP makes $101.5 Million per year. His customer service reps that are HAMMMERRD all day long on the phone for $13.17 per hour? They work for united health care? Tey ARE GIVEN THE ABSOLUTE WORST HEALTCARE PACKAGES YOU HAVE EVER SEEN.$2500 deductibles and they eat them like HELL.
If you don't think we need Obamacare, I hope one of your republican team party family members gets a catastrophic fatal disease and spend 10 months in a hospital and assisted living.....then dies.......on top of being devastated, I hope you lose your home.
If you're going to suck the KNOB of the worm that makes $101 million and the Koch Brothers and the Walton family.....you deserve to die a slow and painful death and land smack in the middle of HELL.... No offense
#6 Mar 14, 2013
Yes, the rich and powerful are taking in obscene amounts of money, yes that is true. But, Obamacare and the other radical socialist agendas arent going to change that.
Who do you think supported Obama? Who do you think wants Obamacare?
The ultra rich support Obama. But why would they?
Think about it, the only reason that they would do something like that is because there is even more for them to gain than they have now. What could they have that they dont already have?
A tyrannical, socialistic regime with the ultra rich enjoying a semi-feudal Lordship status, who exercise total control over the peons and serfs.
But there is one thing standing in the way of this 1984 Orwellian plan. Can you name what that obstacle is?
Its called the U.S. Constitution.
And it is supported by fundamentalist Christians, who insist on sticking to Biblical standards of morality, and will not conform or lower their standards to be compatible with the worldly standards.
And these types are the hard-core conservative voters who absolutely will not bend or waver. The left hates them.
And that is what the Obama camp, the 5 liberal Supreme Court judges who approved the unconstitutional Obamacare, the leftist news media, and all the other entities with ties to the dark arts, anti-Christian agendas, socialist and communist, extremist atheist groups and the occult are seeking to destroy.
Its really about the true Christians (not the fake ones) and the anti-Christians struggling for the heart and soul of America.
And the socialist dont want to discus that openly. Instead, they want you to be distracted into believing some pie in the sky theory, or swallow the old "for your own good" line, while they take away a little more of your freedoms.
The theorys sound good. But when they hits the cold air of reality, they turns ugly.
Sweet in the mouth but sour in the belly.
#7 Mar 14, 2013
Hillbillyboy, what is socialist about Obamacare. All of the $$$ goes to insurance companies. The last time I checked they were pretty capitalistic. We do however need universal care in the U.S. That would be socialistic. Every industrialized nation on planet earth provides health care to their citizens. The health outcomes in those nations put ours to shame. Why should there be a middleman skimming billions off the top in America? Why people defend huge multi-billion $ insurance companies boggles my mind.
#8 Mar 14, 2013
Working people are going to need some type of coverage cause that numbnut Haslam is trying to push forward a bill that would seriously limit workman's compensation. It basically screws workers.
Your boss will more easily be able to fire you if you get hurt at work, your boss will chose what doctor you can go see and the way they determine the value of your permanent injury will be changed to a way that will more favor the insurance company. Oh yeah, it's also going to prevent workers from utilizing a private lawyer in the event of a dispute.
#9 Mar 14, 2013
What is socialist about Obamacare?
(You are not seriously this naive, are you?)
A government run, inefficient Soviet style health care system that is mandatory,(formerly free citizens being forced to participate whether they want to or not), that is oversaw by panels of non-medically trained political appointees (ala the old Soviet KGB political officers) who will determine what kind of treatment you will be allowed to get (if any) and when and where, and by whom.
I can easily see where undesirable persons (ala Christians or whatever group that the ubber regime dont like) will get seriously screwed, persecuted, or worse.
And in the name of "its in your own good", then more and more control over our diets, food, exercise, and eventually the sexual habits (and every other biological function of our bodies) will be under government control.
Just look at that maniac mayor of New York City and what he is doing with his portion control edicts (that he has no legal authority to do). That is how everything in our lives will be under the ever creeping tentacles of Obamacare.
(I suspect that folks like you will try to find some inane logic to rationalize and justify all of this, no matter how bad it gets.)
Obamacare isnt about helping the poor. That is just the cover story that the left is feeding to the naive dullards of the land...Its not about helping anyone.
This is all about control.
And what could be socialistic about a left wing, totalitarian police state government seizing total control over every aspect of our lives?
Example of a man...
If a man just wants to stay home and be left alone, then he must pay some ridiculous fine for not submitting to Obamacare. He will pay thousands of dollars for his freedom fee (amount set by the whim of the regime). If he dont pay, then the IRS will take away his home and property and send him to prison for tax evasion.
When the poor guy didnt do anything wrong or commit any crimes. He just wanted to be left alone. And the full oppressive weight of the regime will destroy him now. That is how Obamacare really is.
What could possibly be socialistic about that?
#10 Mar 14, 2013
You'll have to excuse hillbillyboy..his brain is so rotted from the horseshit he watches on Fox news he no longer understands truth from reality.
#11 Mar 14, 2013
The leftist news media keeps sending out the false message that Americans want the Republicans to "reach across the aisles" and work with the Dems.
But its a lie.
The Republicans in Congress were elected specifically to stop Obama in his tracks, and that is what the constituents expect of Phil Roe et al. We dont want him to be a mousy guy (like John Boehner or John McCain, etc)
We expect Phil Roe to be like Braveheart.
We sent Phil Roe to Washington to enter into the political equivalent of a bar fight. And the voters of this area will be satisfied with nothing less.
And he kinda has a monkey on his back. Cause if he dont deliver, then there are some Tea Party candidates who will win his seat easily in the next election.
And more than any time in the last 100 years, the folks back home are watching Congress with a magnifying glass.
Its definitely not business as usual time. Not this time.
#12 Mar 14, 2013
Actually I think the American voters voted for change. I think you are absolutely incorrect when you say we want republicans to work against a solution. I think a spirit of compromise is exactly what we want. Neither side should get exactly what they want. Your way may not be the best way.
#13 Mar 14, 2013
christiandemocrats.org there's 40 million of us.
#14 Mar 14, 2013
I would implore you to visit one of these nations that,as you put it, have health care that "puts ours to shame." As someone who has had to rely on one of these health care systems in my travels, I can assure you that you have no clue what you are talking about.
I suffered a severe laceration to my leg on a hike that resulted in a large amount of blood loss. After waiting nearly ten hours to be seen by a physician (and that would have been longer had I not passed out), the suture was so poorly done that I had to spend four days in a hospital upon returning to the states to battle infection.
So, I guess if you don't mind losing an appendage or two, then by all means, lets root for a similar health care system in our country.
#15 Mar 14, 2013
The Republicans were elected by American citizens who are absolutely NOT inclined to compromise away our freedoms.
The line in the sand has been drawn, and we expect our elected representatives to resolutely stand their ground and say no to Obamas radical leftist agenda.
The only thing Phil Roe has to worry about as far as the constituents back home and re-elections are concerned, is not being seen as weak or wishy- washy, like that Boehner guy is.
That is what is wrong with the Republicans today. Every time Obama points a finger at them, Boehner and his republi-wussies wet themselves and give in.
Let us hope that Phil Roe proves that he is made from tougher stuff than that.
#16 Mar 14, 2013
#17 Mar 15, 2013
a panel of non-medically trained political appointees (ala the old Soviet KGB political officers) who will determine what kind of treatment you will be allowed to get (if any) and when and where, and by whom.
What's the difference between what you describe here and insurance company bureaucrats who are "non-medically trained" and "determine what kind of treatment you will be allowed to get (if any)"? Why do you defend insurance companies?
In the U.S. over half of all bankruptcies are due to medical bills accrued by individuals WITH INSURANCE! That is WRONG.
Individuals with coverage pay, on average,$1,500.00 per year to cover the bills incurred by the uninsured.
Everyone needs coverage. Everyone should be required to have it. At present coverage is cost prohibitive for many working people in the U.S.
Health coverage should not be a privilage for those with money, it should be enjoyed by every citizen.
What kind of coverage do you have? Do you think a "non-medically trained" person would determine what type of care you get?
#18 Mar 15, 2013
Dude, take a look at the WHO rankings. I travel to Europe and have a brother in Finland. It works pretty good there. In the U.S. we spend the most per capita and have a low ranking on outcomes. We lack preventative care here and citizens without means are S.O.L. We should get rid of the middle-man insurance companies who ration care and walk away with briefcases full of cash. Why do people such as yourself defend big insurance?
#19 Mar 15, 2013
Dude, Finland has a population of about millions, and the health care cost is about all they can afford.
In America, we have around 400 millions. What does this tell you?
(Psst...America is too big to cover everyone. There isnt enough $$$, you see)
If America went totally socialist, where there was no more private ownership of land or cars, or money, or anything else (where Obama and the radical left wants to take us eventually) then we could cover everyone for a while.
Until we ran out of money and the monetary system collapsed, ala the USSR.
Nobody wants to lend money to socialist countries, you see. Slave labor and nations with seething, repressed populations waiting for a chance to overthrow thier masters isnt a good investment in the long term.
(Unless you are a Wall Street banker in one of the bailed out firms, who likes China).
Like Margret Thatcher once said, "The trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other peoples money".
It will take more than cutesy slogans (such as health insurance is a right, ban guns to stop gun violence, save the whales, etc) and college professors spouting Marxist propaganda to save America from Obamacare.
Im afraid that now that the venom has been injected into the national economy, Obamacare will drag down the economy and the monetary system. Eventually we will have to repeal Obamacare, or do away with all forms of freedom and free economy and just go with a 100% communist nation.
That is what will be required to support Obamacare.
If you cant see it, then you will need to look past the slogans and the bad examples of tiny nations with tiny populations.
Look to how socialism works in a large nation with a large population (like the USSR).
Draw your conclusions from that.
Or we can learn from the wisdoms of those who have gone before.
Ronald Reagan - Curbing the Size of Government
#20 Mar 15, 2013
The WHO is a UN organization, and it is extremely politicized with all sorts of leftist nonsense, such as promoting gun bans from all forms of civilian ownership, etc etc. Quoting them, you might as well just read to us from the Communist Manifesto. They will make up false data to use as propaganda. Dont trust them,
They aint our friends, and they aint on our side.
As far as the wonderful nationalized health, well, I can remember when I visited a German girlfriend of mine who had broken her ankle (I was stationed in West-Germany during the Cold War).
Well, the wards were just a bunch of steel beds crammed in about as close as you could manage them. There was 1950s era machines and equipment around the place. It reminded me of the hospital scenes from the movie "All Quiet on the Western Front", which is a movie from the World War One era.
That is how I remember my visit to a West German hospital...in 1988. It felt more like 1928 in that place.
Well, they hastily threw on a clumsily wrapped towel around here ankle and sent her out the door for her family to take care of. She was there maybe 15 mins, and the hospital didnt do anything for her.
But technically, she had "coverage". Thats all you care about, right? Getting everybody "coverage" like that, right?
But the proponents of nationalized health (the leftist news media, the communist, the Obama supporters, etc) care wont tell you the honest things that I have.
Yiu had better hope that you dont have anything physically wrong with you.
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