Hobby Lobby closing??

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#123 Mar 14, 2013
Wormwood wrote:
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SIGH...you're insane.
And you are a frightened little man.
Wormwood

United States

#124 Mar 14, 2013
We Know all wrote:
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And you are a frightened little man.
I'm not frightened. I'm not a man. I am however, fairly small.

And you...are still insane. And stupid.

Since: Jul 09

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#125 Mar 14, 2013
Wormwood wrote:
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I'm not frightened. I'm not a man. I am however, fairly small.
And you...are still insane. And stupid.
Seems to me you are the stupid one, he knows his bible better than you seem to.

“We are watching you.”

Since: Dec 11

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#126 Mar 14, 2013
Simple minded folk who can't rationalize things always end up saying bad things to the person who questions their beliefs, after all, all they know is what they have been indoctrinated with all their lives.
Go away now, you bore me with your lack of anything but insults.
Wormwood

United States

#127 Mar 14, 2013
Different identities are so childish, "We Know all". "Hell's Reaper", "reader"...I don't blame you for denying it's your warped personas trying to give yourself credibility. I just thought I'd let you know it's pathetically clear. You look like a fool.

You have no idea how much I know of the bible or indeed, any religion. Go back to your last post, "We Know all"...it describes you perfectly. I haven't put much effort into you...you are a waste of such.
Joyce

Itasca, IL

#128 Mar 21, 2013
really wrote:
I heard they will closing, is that true?? I hope not, I love Hobby Lobby.
i have heard it's because they are beig forced to offer abortion coverage with the medical insurance. morally, they think this is wrong. i am also trying to found out if this is true.
reader

Little Rock, AR

#129 Mar 21, 2013
Wormwood wrote:
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SIGH...you're insane.
I don't think he's insane. I think his reaction to christianity and the church is completely normal for the crap we, as the Body of Christ have believed, practiced and forced on others.
You seem like an intelligent person, can you not discuss it without calling him insane or stupid?
I think his points and questions are valid.
Seriously, if Jesus said "ask anything in my name and is shall be done" then why isn't He doing what we ask? You can explain all you want but He didn't put conditions on it. He said ANYTHING.
We as the church try to lure the world into our club and then change them, give them a set of rules and make them act like we think they should.
Seriously, all of that is crap - it's BS. So disgusting.
Wormwood

United States

#130 Mar 22, 2013
Okay, "reader", I'll take the hook once more. What he asked me to do was insane. "I Know All" asked me to pray that God "poof [him]out of existence". If it happened, who is supposed to even know? And who was that supposed to prove anything to? "I Know All"? No, he wouldn't benefit from gaining faith in God because it'd be too late, and he'd be gone. Me? No, I don't need such a display to have faith (nor would I know if it even happened). It was a stupid and childish request.

You claim to be a Christian, but if anything you sound agnostic at best. Actually, you sound more like "I Know All" trying to prove his point. And his point is moot. Nothing I can say will change his mind, and not even a pry bar can crack a closed mind.

Perhaps God doesn't feel like He has to prove anything to "I Know All". Nor in fact, to anyone. If you are indeed a Christian (and "I Know All" knows his bible so well LOL), you should be familiar with the cessation of miracles. Several books and chapters refer to it- Daniel, Zechariah, Acts, Corinthians, etc. I will only give you one- 1 Corinthians 13 (New King James Version, if you prefer). Please read it all, and pay close attention to verses 8-10. However, it all goes together to be fully understood.

Now, this being said, what is in debate is when (and if) cessation of miracles has come to pass. I personally don't feel God has to use radical miracles to prove his existence, but I do feel miraculous things happen when one has eyes open to see them. Perhaps God doesn’t work the way we THINK He should. Or maybe he does… Maybe I prayed instead that “I Know All” gets a slow growing cancer that he doesn’t catch until it’s too late. Or maybe I prayed he has a car with his name on it that broadsides him one day. It could be I prayed for him to have a heart attack when he least expects it. If it happens, is he going to remember this nugatory argument on Topix and think,“Now I get it?”. Nah. I doubt it.

What I really find funny, is how he can insult me with names and call me out to meet him somewhere, but it really bothers him (you) that I simply called him insane and stupid LOL. BTW, I still stand by that.
reader

Little Rock, AR

#131 Mar 22, 2013
Wormwood wrote:
Okay, "reader", I'll take the hook once more. What he asked me to do was insane. "I Know All" asked me to pray that God "poof [him]out of existence". If it happened, who is supposed to even know? And who was that supposed to prove anything to? "I Know All"? No, he wouldn't benefit from gaining faith in God because it'd be too late, and he'd be gone. Me? No, I don't need such a display to have faith (nor would I know if it even happened). It was a stupid and childish request.
You claim to be a Christian, but if anything you sound agnostic at best. Actually, you sound more like "I Know All" trying to prove his point. And his point is moot. Nothing I can say will change his mind, and not even a pry bar can crack a closed mind.
Perhaps God doesn't feel like He has to prove anything to "I Know All". Nor in fact, to anyone. If you are indeed a Christian (and "I Know All" knows his bible so well LOL), you should be familiar with the cessation of miracles. Several books and chapters refer to it- Daniel, Zechariah, Acts, Corinthians, etc. I will only give you one- 1 Corinthians 13 (New King James Version, if you prefer). Please read it all, and pay close attention to verses 8-10. However, it all goes together to be fully understood.
Now, this being said, what is in debate is when (and if) cessation of miracles has come to pass. I personally don't feel God has to use radical miracles to prove his existence, but I do feel miraculous things happen when one has eyes open to see them. Perhaps God doesn’t work the way we THINK He should. Or maybe he does… Maybe I prayed instead that “I Know All” gets a slow growing cancer that he doesn’t catch until it’s too late. Or maybe I prayed he has a car with his name on it that broadsides him one day. It could be I prayed for him to have a heart attack when he least expects it. If it happens, is he going to remember this nugatory argument on Topix and think,“Now I get it?”. Nah. I doubt it.
What I really find funny, is how he can insult me with names and call me out to meet him somewhere, but it really bothers him (you) that I simply called him insane and stupid LOL. BTW, I still stand by that.
Yea, I suppose he did call you names. And I guess on topix, it's easy to come back at someone like that. I know, I've done it, too.

No, I'm not agnostic. I am definitely a believer. And my basic beliefs are probably very similar to yours. Saved by grace through faith in the shed blood of Christ and the resurrection for our sins and justification.

The problem with what I just said in the preceding paragraph is that it sounds like graffiti on an overpass on the interstate or something the fat preachers in the pulpit say. It means nothing to most people because they don't truly understand it.

My problem with US as the church is exactly what I said. We tell people that God loves them the way they are. We lure them in with grace and forgiveness then we put the rule book on them to change them. We try to live by the 10 commandments, which were given to the Jews, not the gentiles and were part of the old covenant - Paul called them the ministry of death. And what happened to God loving us the way we are?

We have ignored so many things in the bible and when people question us on obvious contradictions in the scripture (and they are there) then we get offended and rude. For instance, Jesus said in the gospels that if you don't forgive others when you pray, God won't forgive you. But then Paul teaches that God has taken our sin and removed it and completely forgiven us. So, which is it? We pray the Lord's prayer that says "forgive us as we forgive others." So if our forgiveness is based on how we forgive then we are doomed, aren't we?
reader

Little Rock, AR

#132 Mar 22, 2013
The fact is that Jesus' teachings were NOT for the church. They were for the Jews. He said himself that he came for no one but the lost house of Israel. He was a jewish rabbi teaching the law. And we are completely discharged from the law - that is what Paul said. He also said that apart from the law, sin is not imputed. But what does the church preach on? Sin. Almost all of the time.

Read the Great Commission sometime in your bible. The Great Commission is engraved in furniture, written on plaques, hung on the wall, displayed on banners... the church says this is what we are supposed to be doing. Go ye therefore.... go back and read it. Jesus told the disciples specifically - very specifically NOT to go to the gentiles. The Great Commission was NOT for us - it was for the Jews preaching the gospel of the kingdom which is COMPLETELY different than the gospel of grace given to the gentiles.

The fact is that people are tired of religion. "We Know All" has many valid observations of the church that we would do well to heed. He/she speaks for a lot of people that feel that same way. The local church has turned into nothing more than a club for religious people. No difference in the church today and the Pharisees of Jesus' time. They both constantly condemn people.

God doesn't condemn. He gives life.

It's time for people to rightly divide the word. It's time for the church to quit thinking they are Israel and that they are better than everyone else. It's not the job of the church to point out the sin of the world.

It's our job to rest. No job. No work for God's favor. No effort to please Him. Rest in the love and the grace that He has given to us freely.

By the way, I noticed your screen name. I haven't read the screwtape letters but have you heard of Andrew Farley's new book called "Operation Screwtape: The Art of Spiritual War?"

Read some of Farley's stuff or catch him on youtube. That's where I'm coming from.

If "We Know All" is not a christian, then he's thinking and acting exactly the way he should - in unbelief. Sorry I held you to a higher standard than him, no kidding. I just think that if we listen to people, we will see that they are (most of the time) trying to make a legitimate point though what you hear may be offensive. That's why I can agree with him on so much of what he said.

Basically, I think we would all be better off if local churches would SHUT DOWN AND CLOSE THE DOORS and christians started actually living life in love and bearing fruit the way God intended.

Again, religion is garbage and most if not all of what is said and done in church today is religion. Consequently, most of what is said and done in church today is garbage. Just people stroking their egos and trying to rid themselves of a little bit of guilt.
reader

Little Rock, AR

#133 Mar 22, 2013
I know my posts are too long. I don't like reading long posts either. Wish I could say it all in one little paragraph but I can't.
Wormwood

United States

#134 Mar 23, 2013
Sorry, working takes up time I’d rather be spending on other things LOL. First of all, I don’t really mind long posts as long as it interests me, and it is coherent…after all I’m an avid reader anyway! Some things, you simply cannot condense. Religion (or spirituality, if you wish) is one of those topics.
As I’m rather tired from my long day, I may not be quite to par, but I will try to discuss this with you. Forgive me, but I may even have to condense it- ha! My thoughts may be more random than I’d like…bare with me.

I do believe in grace. I understand it is freely given by God although I am undeserving. However, I don’t know that I believe in “once in grace, always in grace”. Some people turn their back on God…even if he doesn’t turn his back on them. I feel it’s possible for God to just say,“Okay. I’m here if you want me, but I’m not going to force you. I’m through prodding you to see me. I’m bowing out of your life.”

Yes, Jesus mostly preached to the Jews. However, I don’t feel that his message was ONLY for the Jews. The Great Commission Matthew 28:16–20; I see where you are coming from in feeling it was only for the Jews . But remember Paul? Again and again Paul asserted preaching the Gospel to the Gentiles was his particular calling. He does this often in Acts, Galatians 2, Romans 1:16-17. It also seems that John rediscovers Christ’s full mission that was concealed from him during his lifetime…that Christ was reaching to ever increasing circles of believers beyond the Hebrews.

What some people don’t seem to grasp, is that God didn’t send the Ten Commandments to us to pound in his authority. He gave them to us to make us better human beings! It’s all common sense and decency. Yes, He tells us not to put other Gods before him, not to take his name in vain, nor make graven images…This is acknowledging God is the only God we follow, and to show him the proper respect He deserves. The rest of the Ten Commandments lends us to think with a higher self awareness and keeps us from hurting others. Take for example,“ Thou shalt not commit adultery”. Why? Because it hurts others! It hurts the spouse you took for life and it tears apart families. It also helps to save us from bad habits that could come back to hurt our own person (like STDs, or perhaps the wrath of a jealous spouse LOL). He gave us other guides to better help us. For instance, like cautioning against gluttony…look at the impact gluttony has on the body. It causes disease, it morphs the body to ruin, it shortens our life and makes us depressed. It is for our own betterment not to be fat, lazy, greedy, etc.. Hon, that don’t matter if you are a Jew or a Gentile…God’s word is just good instruction to follow :).
Wormwood

United States

#135 Mar 23, 2013
Here’s something for you…I don’t believe in any one religion, but I can usually find something valuable in most all religions pertaining to God. In fact, I have even studied religions not pertaining directly to God/Yahweh/Jehovah/ Elohim/Allah/(and many other names). Even in such, I found something useful to know. Religion serves a purpose for the good. It curtails people from simply being hedonistic and in a state of hubris. Do you know what a Satanist is? It is NOT a person who worships Satan (that is a devil worshiper). A Satanist does NOT believe in the Devil or God. They believe in fulfilling hedonistic tendencies. That’s pretty much it in a nutshell. They are atheists with low morals LOL.

Religion can only lead us astray if we cannot think for ourselves. Unfortunately, many people try to use it for their own means and have twisted it. But, religion has done a lot of admirable things too. Churches have helped the poor, the sick, the homeless, the depressed. It has given hope to people who have nothing. It binds local communities together. It’s helped to imbue people with morals that they may not have had. Although it does not make us perfect, it can indeed make us better than what we might be otherwise. It persuades us to have revelations outside the confounds of what we see, hear and touch every day.

I have not read Andrew Farley's new book called "Operation Screwtape: The Art of Spiritual War". But I have read The Naked Gospel: The Truth You May Never Hear in Church”. I enjoyed it very much. I will look for the book you mentioned. Now I can barely keep my eyes open, and my bed seems like a little bit of Heaven on Earth… I’m going there :). Goodnight.
Wormwood

United States

#136 Mar 23, 2013
It seems that Topix has screwed with my post. If it doesn't correct its self, I'll re-post the first part of my reply later. Again, goodnight.
hey you

Jonesboro, AR

#137 Mar 23, 2013
really wrote:
I heard they will closing, is that true?? I hope not, I love Hobby Lobby.
Over 4 years later and still not closed, so what you heard was a lie.
bef

United States

#138 Apr 3, 2013
This is a letter I received from a friend and reads:

David Sloan "The wisdom that comes from above is, first, pure, then
peaceable, gentle, open to reason, full of mercy and good fruits,
without uncertainty or insincerity." - James 3:17

By David Green, the founder and CEO of Hobby Lobby Stores, Inc.

When my family and I started our company 40 years ago, we were working
out of a garage on a $600 bank loan, assembling miniature picture
frames. Our first retail store wasn't much bigger than most people's
living rooms, but we had faith that we would succeed if we lived and
worked according to God's word. From there, Hobby Lobby has become one
of the nation's largest arts and crafts retailers, with more than 500
locations in 41 states. Our children grew up into fine business
leaders, and today we run Hobby Lobby
together, as a family.

We're Christians, and we run our business on Christian principles.
I've always said that the first two goals of our business are (1) to
run our business in harmony with God's laws, and (2) to focus on
people more than money. And that's what we've tried to do. We close
early so our employees can see their families at night. We keep our
stores closed on Sundays, one of the week's biggest shopping days, so
that our workers and their families can enjoy a day of rest. We
believe that it is by God's grace that Hobby Lobby has endured, and he
has blessed us and our employees. We've not only added jobs in a weak
economy, we've raised wages for the past four years in a row. Our
full-time employees start at 80% above minimum wage.

But now, our government threatens to change all of that. A new
government healthcare mandate says that our family business MUST
provide what I believe are abortion-causing drugs as part of our
health insurance. Being Christians, we don't pay for drugs that might
cause abortions, which means that we don't cover emergency
contraception, the morning-after pill or the week-after pill. We
believe doing so might end a life after the moment of conception,
something that is contrary to our most important beliefs. It goes
against the Biblical principles on which we have run this company
since day one.

If we refuse to comply, we could face $1.3 million PER DAY in
government fines. Our government threatens to fine job creators in a
bad economy. Our government threatens to fine a company that's raised
wages four years running. Our government threatens to fine a family
for running its business according to its beliefs. It's not right. I
know people will say we ought to follow the rules; that it's the same
for everybody.

But that's not true. The government has exempted thousands of
companies from this mandate, for reasons of convenience or cost. But
it won't exempt them for reasons of religious belief. So, Hobby Lobby
and my family are forced to make a choice. With great
reluctance, we filed a lawsuit today, represented by the Becket Fund
for Religious Liberty, asking a federal court to stop this mandate
before it hurts our business. We don't like to go running into court,
but we no longer have a choice. We believe people are more important
than the bottom line and that honoring God is more important than
turning a profit.

My family has lived the American dream. We want to continue growing
our company and providing great jobs for thousands of employees, but
the government is going to make that much more difficult. The
government is forcing us to choose between following our faith and
following the law. I say that's a choice no American and no American
business should have to make.

The government cannot force you to follow laws that go against your
fundamental religious belief. They have exempted thousands of
companies but will not exempt Christian organizations including the
Catholic church.

Since you will not see this in the liberal media, please pass this on
to all your contacts.

Sincerely,

David Green

CEO and Founder of Hobby Lobby Stores, Inc.
guest

Little Rock, AR

#139 Apr 3, 2013
we just want to impose our religeon on our employees so we can feel rightious. never mind if any of this has to do with their health cause we know better than doctors whats important!
Toby

Grand Rapids, MI

#140 Jul 1, 2013
If the $1.3M/day fine is true, ANY store would have to close!!! Is Obamacare REALLY worth it, with all the lies we've been sold about it? Don't think so; just to preserve Obama's legacy? NOT!!!
'NUF SAID!!!
Guest

United States

#141 Jul 1, 2013
Toby wrote:
If the $1.3M/day fine is true, ANY store would have to close!!! Is Obamacare REALLY worth it, with all the lies we've been sold about it? Don't think so; just to preserve Obama's legacy? NOT!!!
'NUF SAID!!!
I believe a judge rules in favor of Hobby Lobby's rights today :) Glad he is taking a stand for America and founding principles and rights.
robin hood

Cape Girardeau, MO

#142 Jul 2, 2013
guest wrote:
we just want to impose our religeon on our employees so we can feel rightious. never mind if any of this has to do with their health cause we know better than doctors whats important!
there is nothing that says you have to work there or even shop there. and they are not push there religeon on you, they just don't want to pay for your insuracne of your insurance.

but that doen't go along with the left way of thinking so they are the scum of the world

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