Guest 2

Jonesboro, AR

#45 Dec 7, 2012
I heard that he actually reach out to ASU also. Is it true? Psshh, who knows? I do not agree with what he did at U Of A, or at Atlanta for that matter, BUT if by some chance he did go to ASU it would be a use-use situation. We would use him during his time here to boost our program, while he would use us to rebuild his shattered rep and enable himself to get back into a bigger conference. He is pretty taboo right now to a lot of schools. I won't believe anything til it's over and the fat lady sings.
guest

Dallas, TX

#46 Dec 7, 2012
Well now, aint this grand. Accordin' to most ASU fans, Petrino was nothin but a piece of shat while at UofA. Suddenly, he's the greatest thing since sliced bread, the second coming, the grandest football coach ever. What a bunch of reeking, desperate hippocrites. Unbelievable. But then, when I think about it just a little more, I really wouldn't have expected any different. Pitiful, sniveling, hippocrites.
Bwaahaha

Jonesboro, AR

#47 Dec 7, 2012
guest wrote:
Well now, aint this grand. Accordin' to most ASU fans, Petrino was nothin but a piece of shat while at UofA. Suddenly, he's the greatest thing since sliced bread, the second coming, the grandest football coach ever. What a bunch of reeking, desperate hippocrites. Unbelievable. But then, when I think about it just a little more, I really wouldn't have expected any different. Pitiful, sniveling, hippocrites.
Sad but true! Same situation as with Malzhan, only reversed. When he first arrived ASU fans swore he walked on water. A year later he's sinking in the sewer.
Guest

Jonesboro, AR

#48 Dec 7, 2012
I don't know about this. Petrino is known for leaving programs in shambles, from Louisville to Atlanta to Arkansas. We have built our program up to something we can be proud of, do we really want to take that chance? I would rather we get a coach that may not be as good but carries a lot less baggage.

Cathouse Mouse

Since: Aug 10

Cathouse Mouse

#49 Dec 7, 2012
If ASU wants a long term committment from a coach, they should look into nationally ranked high school coaches looking to move up. They tend to stay 3-6 years, depending on the luck of the draw.

That's not an underhanded slap at the ASU program, that's a fact. Gus Malzahn went from High School to running the NC offense at Auburn in that time frame.

Black

Fayetteville, AR

#50 Dec 7, 2012
My, my. How quickly attitudes change.
smart

United States

#51 Dec 7, 2012
Cathouse Mouse wrote:
If ASU wants a long term committment from a coach, they should look into nationally ranked high school coaches looking to move up. They tend to stay 3-6 years, depending on the luck of the draw.

That's not an underhanded slap at the ASU program, that's a fact. Gus Malzahn went from High School to running the NC offense at Auburn in that time frame.
They actually like short term coaches .. U get top of the line play caller , hot new name out there that can recruit them get a new toy next Christmas to keep the buzz out there .. Workin out
Black

Fayetteville, AR

#52 Dec 7, 2012
smart wrote:
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They actually like short term coaches .. U get top of the line play caller , hot new name out there that can recruit them get a new toy next Christmas to keep the buzz out there .. Workin out
Yes, they've had two coaches be very successful with the foundation that Steve Roberts left.

What happens when that foundations runs out, considering that no one else has stuck around long enough to even begin building a new one?
DW

United States

#53 Dec 7, 2012
I think it's a good hire!! I think everyone deserves a second chance and Bobby Petrino is an excellent ball coach and is in a position that he would have to stay for several years to rebuild his tarnished reputation. ASU football is building a program and the towns support has been growing with leaps and bounds. Bobby Petrino could help keep the program going in the right direction.
Guest

Jonesboro, AR

#54 Dec 7, 2012
Black wrote:
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Yes, they've had two coaches be very successful with the foundation that Steve Roberts left.
What happens when that foundations runs out, considering that no one else has stuck around long enough to even begin building a new one?
This is what worries me. Everyone wants these one and done coaches but what happens when recruits stop looking at ASU out of fear that the coach that recruits them may be gone after their freshman year. I'm sick of these sexy hires I want stability within the program.

Cathouse Mouse

Since: Aug 10

Cathouse Mouse

#55 Dec 7, 2012
Guest wrote:
<quoted text>
This is what worries me. Everyone wants these one and done coaches but what happens when recruits stop looking at ASU out of fear that the coach that recruits them may be gone after their freshman year. I'm sick of these sexy hires I want stability within the program.
Bobby Petrino won't give it to you.

I can't imagine any respectable parent allowing Bobby Petrino in their home to talk to their son.

I can't imagine any self respecting parent to allow Bobby Petrino to walk away with the resposibilty of guiding their son for 4 years.

I can't imagine any son respecting a parent who would consider Bobby Petrino a role model.

I can however imagine an 18-19 year old copping an attitude that if the parents have no issue with "coach", then I can get away with about anything, leading to a possible life changing bad decision while under Bobby Petrino's charge.
DW

United States

#56 Dec 7, 2012
Cathouse Mouse wrote:
<quoted text>Bobby Petrino won't give it to you.

I can't imagine any respectable parent allowing Bobby Petrino in their home to talk to their son.

I can't imagine any self respecting parent to allow Bobby Petrino to walk away with the resposibilty of guiding their son for 4 years.

I can't imagine any son respecting a parent who would consider Bobby Petrino a role model.

I can however imagine an 18-19 year old copping an attitude that if the parents have no issue with "coach", then I can get away with about anything, leading to a possible life changing bad decision while under Bobby Petrino's charge.
I don't think that the parent has to agree with Petrino's past decisions. I just think that they have to believe in forgiveness. And Bobby Petrino is a heck of a recruiter you would have lots of talented athletes that would want to play in his system. I don't agree with his past but I believe that people can change.

Cathouse Mouse

Since: Aug 10

Cathouse Mouse

#57 Dec 7, 2012
DW wrote:
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I don't think that the parent has to agree with Petrino's past decisions. I just think that they have to believe in forgiveness. And Bobby Petrino is a heck of a recruiter you would have lots of talented athletes that would want to play in his system. I don't agree with his past but I believe that people can change.
There's nothing wrong with forgiveness, but would you gamble your teenage son on that decision to forgive?
DW

United States

#58 Dec 7, 2012
Cathouse Mouse wrote:
<quoted text>There's nothing wrong with forgiveness, but would you gamble your teenage son on that decision to forgive?
First off we are talking about 18 year old adults here not 13 year old children. And I believe that my children have been raised in a Christian home and at 18 they have been molded in a way that they know the difference in what's right and wrong and they make their own decisions based on their set of moral values. In no way do I support Petrino's infidelity however I know he is an outstanding ball coach and as a Christian I believe he deserves a second chance. And with today's media like it is I know he would be under a magnifying glass thus forcing him to walk a straight line.
guest

Dallas, TX

#59 Dec 7, 2012
guest wrote:
Well now, aint this grand. Accordin' to most ASU fans, Petrino was nothin but a piece of shat while at UofA. Suddenly, he's the greatest thing since sliced bread, the second coming, the grandest football coach ever. What a bunch of reeking, desperate hippocrites. Unbelievable. But then, when I think about it just a little more, I really wouldn't have expected any different. Pitiful, sniveling, hippocrites.
Worth repeating.
Professor Forgotitall

Jonesboro, AR

#60 Dec 7, 2012
Don't forget the wise words of storied coach Knute Rockne: "Never trust a red-headed Italian, they'll screw all the women, steal all the money and escape into the night like a bad dream".
DW

United States

#61 Dec 7, 2012
Professor Forgotitall wrote:
Don't forget the wise words of storied coach Knute Rockne: "Never trust a red-headed Italian, they'll screw all the women, steal all the money and escape into the night like a bad dream".
I can't find anywhere that Knute Rockne said that lol though it is very funny.
Guest

Little Rock, AR

#62 Dec 7, 2012
I don't know if there are any restrictions on the contractss that the colleges draw up for their coaches but I believe I would make the next contract for ASU one that would be very damned expensive for another college to buy out! I don't even know if they have to include a buyout provision. I don't know if the conference has contractual criteria that has to followed or what.

In multi-year business contracts, they usually have harsh penalties for breaking the terms of the contract and it sounds like ASU needs to consider this. If a prospective coach doesn't like the terms of the contract, he doesn't have to sign. In the interest of doing right by the players, fans, & financial supporters, we really need a coach who is ready to stay at least 3 years.
Black

Fayetteville, AR

#63 Dec 7, 2012
Guest wrote:
I don't know if there are any restrictions on the contractss that the colleges draw up for their coaches but I believe I would make the next contract for ASU one that would be very damned expensive for another college to buy out! I don't even know if they have to include a buyout provision. I don't know if the conference has contractual criteria that has to followed or what.
In multi-year business contracts, they usually have harsh penalties for breaking the terms of the contract and it sounds like ASU needs to consider this. If a prospective coach doesn't like the terms of the contract, he doesn't have to sign. In the interest of doing right by the players, fans, & financial supporters, we really need a coach who is ready to stay at least 3 years.
You can put whatever buyout clause in the contract that you want. If the buyout it larger than what the coach values the job at, though, it's going to be off-putting.

In the "multi-year business contracts" that you're referring to, the difference is that the company is the dominant party in that situation. When it comes to college coaches, they're on relatively even standing with the school, which is why you don't see such punitive buyout terms. Even still, you're mistaken if you think that Gus (or any other coach that's left for a new job) "broke his contract". He very clearly adhered to the buyout clause that was written into his contract.

There's an interesting double standard when it comes to situations like this. If a coach leaves for a new job, he "broke his contract", "is disloyal", "should have had the character to fulfill his obligations", etc. But, when a coach is fired for not winning enough, i.e., without cause, suddenly people aren't as outspoken about contracts. When Steve Roberts was fired, there were very few, if any, ASU fans who were worried about the time that was still remaining on his contract.
Guest

Little Rock, AR

#64 Dec 7, 2012
I agree with you on that and I'm not one of those saying he broke his contract because he didn't. I did notice that UofA had stiffened the buyout figures on the new coach. I guess the coaches wouldn't take the job if they wouldn't include the buyout provisions but I would be interested to know if any college teams have contracts without buyouts. ASU fans are tired of ASU coaching positions being stepping stones almost immediately. While it may be the norm it's not fair to players recruited by coaches that leave after making promises or to fans and big financial supporters who make sure the coaches have everything under the sun they could want seperate from contractual obligations. The flip-side to this argument is that if a school wants to get rid of coach, they have to buy out the contract unless they're fired for cause which breeches the contract like Petrino.

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