Equal Playing Time in Sports at Valley View

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Wow

Morrilton, AR

#1 Nov 22, 2009
What do you think about that? Seems there is a panel to check this out? Wonder who is starting this and do they think it will work?

I will say this, and I believe most of the grades up through 7, have equal playing time. Jr High has B games so that gives all kids opportunity. Sr High equal playing time is a injustice to the kids who wish to excell in the sport. By that age, you should be mentally developed enough to know, if your not good enough, then you shouldn't be out there playing just, who wants to play on a team thats not in it to win, and playing anyone just because they think they deserve equal playing but they actually stink and cause them to lose, is a joke.

Parents pull your heads out of your rumps and whoever is trying to get this going, should be pulled in a meeting of all parents and voices be heard. I want this select few to stand in front of me and explain, stop the behind the door tricks and open this up. And I will let you in on a little secret, just so you don't get let down hard, this is not going to fly. But I would like to see you stand up and explain none the less. Should be exciting and I would love to see how you think your child who has lessor skills deserves to be playing equal time as opposed to someone with skill to play. The thought of this is a joke.
richjock

Blytheville, AR

#2 Nov 22, 2009
You must be one of those silver spooned MOTHERF888888 over there at v.v..Equal playing is good for all to enjoy playing the sport no matter what.Children learn to take the good with the bad,but most of all stay together as a team.The real world is not all win win win.Equal playing time teaches the kids that.If they don't learn this at a young age they will grow up with a piss poor attitude thinking that they can just leave instead of sticking it out for the long haul no matter what happens.They will have a long work record full of bad references.They're just kids.Let them all play and have fun win or lose.Life isn't fair.That's another lesson being learned also.Puff puff pass,goodnight.
guest

United States

#3 Nov 22, 2009
Yeah....let the coach explain to the super and school board that the reason they didn't win any games, tournaments, or titles was because they wanted everyone to have equal playing time. A coach's job depends on wins and loses. And, student athletes have to do more than just show up for practice and games to improve their skills. If you haven't noticed, high school sports have changed over the last 20 years. Kids that are playing their selected sport year around have an advantage over other athletes because they have increased their level of play. Of course, if a player is not interested in that, they can practice on their own, hire someone to work with them, or they may be able to practice with the other team at the school. I would hate to think that my job was conducted in front of a huge audience of parents and hinged on wins and loses. Things change once a kid graduates from elementary to junior high ball though.
Blood

Sulphur Springs, TX

#4 Nov 22, 2009
The kids that practice hard are the ones who should play. The kids that play as a team and don't ball hog and make it about them are the ones who should play. The parents who live through their kids should shut up and let the coach decide. It is still a sport, a game, and I do know that winning is important at the high school level but I would only let the kids play that understand it is a team sport!! What I can't stand are those parents who kiss the coaches a$$ thinking it will get their kid more playing time. The parents or parent that talk bad about the other kids on the team!! Good luck VV!! Thank god we don't have that problem anymore!!
Wow wrote:
What do you think about that? Seems there is a panel to check this out? Wonder who is starting this and do they think it will work?
I will say this, and I believe most of the grades up through 7, have equal playing time. Jr High has B games so that gives all kids opportunity. Sr High equal playing time is a injustice to the kids who wish to excell in the sport. By that age, you should be mentally developed enough to know, if your not good enough, then you shouldn't be out there playing just, who wants to play on a team thats not in it to win, and playing anyone just because they think they deserve equal playing but they actually stink and cause them to lose, is a joke.
Parents pull your heads out of your rumps and whoever is trying to get this going, should be pulled in a meeting of all parents and voices be heard. I want this select few to stand in front of me and explain, stop the behind the door tricks and open this up. And I will let you in on a little secret, just so you don't get let down hard, this is not going to fly. But I would like to see you stand up and explain none the less. Should be exciting and I would love to see how you think your child who has lessor skills deserves to be playing equal time as opposed to someone with skill to play. The thought of this is a joke.
FURichJock

Morrilton, AR

#5 Nov 22, 2009
richjock wrote:
You must be one of those silver spooned MOTHERF888888 over there at v.v..Equal playing is good for all to enjoy playing the sport no matter what.Children learn to take the good with the bad,but most of all stay together as a team.The real world is not all win win win.Equal playing time teaches the kids that.If they don't learn this at a young age they will grow up with a piss poor attitude thinking that they can just leave instead of sticking it out for the long haul no matter what happens.They will have a long work record full of bad references.They're just kids.Let them all play and have fun win or lose.Life isn't fair.That's another lesson being learned also.Puff puff pass,goodnight.
Your about as stupid as Obama. You must have been one of those emo kids who walk around with your lips pierced and hair dyed black and your trench coat and wonder why everyone looks and thinks your weird. Who could never play any sport and think everyone hates you cause your different. But lets face facts here instead and attacking each other. The fact is, a school who might consider this is fooling themselves. Winning is everything in life and if you don't believe that, your fooling yourself, or at least making your lest than average attempts at life in whatever it is acceptable. The fact is this is a competitive world and winning is the goal. As along as you win under the rules everyone else has and its ethical and fair. Thats sports. This bullshit about everyone playing to build team unity is a false claim. It will actually rip a team apart and you will end up with players who do not have the skills to play. The school will be a laughing stock of the community in any sport they enter. Pride will be stripped from the school. For those parents who think their kids have a right to play, well its all about competition and if your kid is good I am sure he/she will see some playing time, if not, then maybe he or she is not good enough.

This will not happen at Valley View the people, parents and admin and students will not let it happen. Someone is trying to stir up someone out there maybe, but this will not happen.
burp

Brookland, AR

#6 Nov 22, 2009
The best players should play and that's just how it is. If someone’s child isn't good enough to help the team then they shouldn't play. By the time you're in senior high you should know where you, or your child, falls on ability. These are peoples jobs on the line. Lets face it, they can say it's about education first, but when it comes down to it the only thing that matters is that "wins" column. Now why should a coach put their careers, their families livelihood on the line playing your kid to make you happy. No one will admit it at any school, but it's not personal...it's business.
Blood

Sulphur Springs, TX

#7 Nov 22, 2009
Your right it is a business, all Im saying is coaches should not bow down to a parent who thinks their kid is the best!!Thats the problem in high school sports. Parents think that their kid is the star, the reason they win is because of them and the reason they lose is because of the other players!! I personally think that any parent who runs his mouth about another player on a High School team is a idiot!! Ive only heard about it, never have heard it myself and if I did hear someone downgrading my son, I would knock their block off!! So, let the coaches coach and sit in the stands and SHUTUP!!
burp wrote:
The best players should play and that's just how it is. If someone’s child isn't good enough to help the team then they shouldn't play. By the time you're in senior high you should know where you, or your child, falls on ability. These are peoples jobs on the line. Lets face it, they can say it's about education first, but when it comes down to it the only thing that matters is that "wins" column. Now why should a coach put their careers, their families livelihood on the line playing your kid to make you happy. No one will admit it at any school, but it's not personal...it's business.
James

Mountain Home, AR

#8 Nov 23, 2009
Sounds like it's a parent who has some influence and has a child who doesn't have the necessary skills. For those of you who don't support the equal play, you need to hope that parent doesn't have deep pockets. I've seen it get messy and the wealthy parent gets his way. Yes, life is about winning and working to be the best. It's also about who has the most money and who knows the most influential people.
beenthruit

El Segundo, CA

#9 Nov 23, 2009
You can throw the fair play and everyone is equal out the window. The picking and choosing starts way before junior high. It starts as soon as a child is old enough to play on a traveling team and if they are wealthy enough or in the click with the right crowd. There a lot of very talented children that will never get a chance to play as many games as other children and money and who you know makes the difference. But I will say this, education is way more important that being an athlete and one day everything will be alright.
best

Jonesboro, AR

#10 Nov 23, 2009
always has been and always will be the same, the best athletes will play . some are just better than others. if your kid isnt as good as some one else, trust me he or she knows or they should know unless their mom and dad is an uppity twit from V V and have been told they are good enough to play. the coach doe sknow who is his best players and will play the best kids.
burp

Brookland, AR

#11 Nov 23, 2009
beenthruit wrote:
You can throw the fair play and everyone is equal out the window. The picking and choosing starts way before junior high. It starts as soon as a child is old enough to play on a traveling team and if they are wealthy enough or in the click with the right crowd. There a lot of very talented children that will never get a chance to play as many games as other children and money and who you know makes the difference. But I will say this, education is way more important that being an athlete and one day everything will be alright.
Do you mean "cliq"?
lol

Jonesboro, AR

#12 Nov 24, 2009
sounds like a rich kids parents whining again

Since: Nov 09

Chickasha, OK

#13 Nov 24, 2009
Yea but the fact of the matter is Valley View coaches are too worried about whos parents are gonna throw a fit. My little brother is a lineman for the Jr. High team. He always plays 2nd fiddle to the 4 starters. He's bigger, tougher, and coach admits that he can throw them down with the best of them. He sits on the bench behind a kids whos dad works @ the school, a kid whos parents are big with donating time and money to the school. Unlike everyone else at Valley View my parents and I don't have time to fork over money every time VV needs something.

You don't have money you aint playing simple as that. My brother never missed practice except when he hurt his arm(1 practice)! The coach even told the other lineman be more like him.

Just watch the offensive side, was the same 3 guys everytime. The quarterback and the halfback. Other guys never got the ball or anything. Maybe they woulda won more games!!!
maybe

Starkville, MS

#14 Nov 24, 2009
please... it's not about winning or a business in high school...especially at Vview. coaches are hand-picked and backed to the hilt by administration, unless...the coach puts the school at a liability risk (aka. smith).

most dont know the coaching lineage at Vview...radius baker (superindindent) was gaylon taylor's (AD) coach in high school, while Jason Manchester (Bball Head) is the nephew of Radius Baker's long long time assistant coach during his glory years at Bay. i would say, job security is a definite lock...whether you as a coach are inclined to blow 17 point leads with 2 mins to go or not. and this statement skews the point of the thread...favoritism.

there is favoritism at Vview. simply check out the last names of those who are the handpicked starters. rarely will you see a teacher's kid, coach's kid, or multi-generational blazer family's kid NOT being given the "special treatment". that is job security at it's most base level.

so, my advice to the parents of those kids left out, shunned, forgotten on their school team is to accept it and let go of your idealism that coaches should care for all the kids they coach and should create an environment based on rules, integrity, and equality. there are not many places out there who provide that environment anymore. if it is damaging your child's self-image, take him off the team yourself, and quickly. it is not worth it, and in all probability will get worse and could lead to all sorts of issues for the child. especially when the unequal treatment is evident to all, and is, in fact, a form of bullying; "Relational Bullying is more emotional than it is physical. It includes ignoring, isolating, excluding and shunning."

it would be nice to gather a list of coaches that people in the NEA believe still put their players before themselves. i would love to see a positive slant on this real issue.
guest

Morrilton, AR

#15 Nov 24, 2009
Coaches play to win with whomever they need to play. VV has some fine coaches!!!
No Way

United States

#16 Nov 24, 2009
Someone may have brought this concern up with the school, but is VV going to take a stand and be the first school in Northeast Arkansas to lose their competitiveness in every single sport so they may offer equal playing time for their players? I think not. But if you want to use the logic that it's only "fair" to let every kid who wants to play sports do so and get to play equal time, then you have to let every kid who wants to be in a theatrical production, in the Voices choir, in the Quiz Bowl team, or any other non-sports school-related group do so and get "equal" time. This could create a revolution the likes a public school around here has never seen before.
guest

Bossier City, LA

#17 Nov 24, 2009
guest wrote:
Coaches play to win with whomever they need to play. VV has some fine coaches!!!
Are you familar with our basketball program. Joke LOL
dreamer

Lake Charles, LA

#18 Nov 24, 2009
I am and it bites. The kids have to "try out" in 7th grade. Many guys don't make the team, so they will never be able to play basketball during Jr. High or High School. It would help build their self-esteem if they could at least be part of a team in 7th and 8th grade. Well, life goes on..........
guest

Morrilton, AR

#19 Nov 25, 2009
School sports are extremely competitive and coaches really like to keep their jobs. They have to play whoever can help them win games. Everybody thinks their child is the best athlete on the team!!!!!
guest

Mountain Home, AR

#20 Nov 27, 2009
I know for a fact they are not trying to do equal playing time. THere was a discussion about a committee that would meet as coaches, parents, administrators, and even students that would work to improve communication between parents and coaches and work together to include fund raising.
There are some issues at VV involving 9th graders being moved up and given playing time over others who are equal as players. 9th graders are on a different level and it should be the exception rather than the rule for them to move up. For example in volleyball a 9th grader was moved up who is the coaches goddaughter. She was given playing time over all other players, had the best stats, and billed as a great player. On senior night the coach never let her seniors touch the floor. This is a coach who is out of control. In volleyball the only competetion is Westside and so to move up a player would have made no difference and was not necessary. If the girls had been allowed to play as a team maybe they could have won the state championship. In basketball previously we did not have a girls point guard so a 9th grader was moved up. The coach discussed it with his team and they all agreed. This led to a great team and people who felt part of the process. That is a smart coach. THis is the kind of communication that will make a great team. WHy get so defensive? It can be strange to have communication with parents but it can also be something that may be the beginning of a great thing. I am sure that no one wants to ensure equal playing time. this is a rumor.

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