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free with control

Jonesboro, AR

#1 Jan 10, 2013
I want to talk about gun control. Let me say, I'm neither pro or anti gun. I am pro freedom and anti government control.

I hear the reporters and TV personalities and politicians saying people don't need automatic weapons or big clips. Therefore, it should be reasonable to do away with them.

Here's what I'm wondering:

I think everybody would agree it is dangerous to text while driving. There are already laws against this but people still do it. Would anyone agree that people don't need to send a text while driving, so phones that text should be done away with (outlawed).

I think most reasonable people would agree that driving 90 or 100 miles per hour would be dangerous. People do it and all the car companies make cars that will. Would anyone agree that we should ban all cars that might exceed 80 mph?

I've seen on the news that theft of copper wire from construction sites has become a major problem. Wouldn't it solve the problem if we closed down all the places that buy copper for recycling?

My point is, texting and driving is already illegal, we don't do away with phones; driving 90 mph is already illegal, we don't do away with the cars that go that fast; stealing copper is already illegal, but we don't do away the places that buy it.....shooting people is already illegal, why would we need to do away with the guns?

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Cathouse Mouse

Since: Aug 10

Cathouse Mouse

#2 Jan 10, 2013
free with control wrote:
My point is, texting and driving is already illegal, we don't do away with phones; driving 90 mph is already illegal, we don't do away with the cars that go that fast; stealing copper is already illegal, but we don't do away the places that buy it.....shooting people is already illegal, why would we need to do away with the guns?
I find it resfreshing to encounter someone who admits to being confused about the need and overwhelming desires to visit the gun control issue.

In response to your questions, I will offer these questions as an answer.

1. What did we do when we realized that lead in gasoline and paint was killing us?

2. What did we do when we realized asbestos in home insulations was killing us?

3. What did we do when we realized certain baby cribs was killing our defenseless children?

4.. What should we do now that we realize guns are killing us?

I bid you a good day.
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Gregory, AR

#3 Jan 10, 2013
the difference between Firearms and:
Lead
Asbestos
Baby Cribs
the above do its damage by simply being present, the damage is inflicted without involvement from any other person or force.

The firearm must be interacted with by a person or other force.

If you want true discussion you can forget Cathouse mouse and LBT
guest

Trumann, AR

#4 Jan 10, 2013
Guns dont kill people, people kill people
Post Turtle

Pineville, AR

#5 Jan 10, 2013
On Sunday December 16, 2012, 2 days after the CT shooting, a man went to a restaurant in San Antonio to kill his ex-girlfriend. After he shot her, most of the people in the restaurant fled next door to a theater. The gunman followed them and entered the theater so he could shoot more people. He started shooting and people in the theater started running and screaming. It’s like the Aurora, CO theater story plus a restaurant!Now aren’t you wondering why this isn’t a lead story in the national media along with the school shooting?There was an off duty county deputy at the theater. SHE pulled out her gun and shot the man 4 times before he had a chance to kill anyone. So since this story makes the point that the best thing to stop a bad person with a gun is a good person with a gun, the media is treating it like it never happened.Only the local media covered it. The city is giving her a medal next week. Just thought you’d like to know.Source:http://www.mysanan tonio.com/news/local_news/arti cle/Two-wounded-in-theater-sho oting-4122668.php#ixzz2GOP72zB X
lol

United States

#6 Jan 10, 2013
Cathouse Mouse wrote:
<quoted text>I find it resfreshing to encounter someone who admits to being confused about the need and overwhelming desires to visit the gun control issue.

In response to your questions, I will offer these questions as an answer.

1. What did we do when we realized that lead in gasoline and paint was killing us?

2. What did we do when we realized asbestos in home insulations was killing us?

3. What did we do when we realized certain baby cribs was killing our defenseless children?

4.. What should we do now that we realize guns are killing us?

I bid you a good day.
You idiot guns ain't killing us stupid people are
the real guest

Ridgedale, MO

#7 Jan 10, 2013
guest wrote:
Guns dont kill people, people kill people
And all this time I thought it was those damn bullets!

Cathouse Mouse

Since: Aug 10

Cathouse Mouse

#8 Jan 10, 2013
lol wrote:
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You idiot guns ain't killing us stupid people are
Actually, people with guns are killing people. That's the focus.
doofer

United States

#9 Jan 10, 2013
Cathouse Mouse wrote:
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4.. What should we do now that we realize guns are killing us?
I saw a gun walking down the street the other day. I figured he was up to no good. You know how they all are. I followed him and asked him why he was in my neighborhood, he shoulda been on the other side of town you know. He was wearing a bandanna on his barrel like he belonged to one of those thug gun gangs.

He told me to mind my human business lest he put one of his caps in me. He showed them to me like his trigger was itchy. He was ranting about how he was having to walk home because he couldn't flag down a cab. He said no cab would pick him up....just because he was a gun...
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Gregory, AR

#10 Jan 10, 2013
Cathouse Mouse wrote:
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Actually, people with guns are killing people. That's the focus.
actually its mentally unstable people on prescriptions killing people
GUEST

Jonesboro, AR

#11 Jan 10, 2013
Cathouse Mouse wrote:
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I find it resfreshing to encounter someone who admits to being confused about the need and overwhelming desires to visit the gun control issue.
In response to your questions, I will offer these questions as an answer.
1. What did we do when we realized that lead in gasoline and paint was killing us?
2. What did we do when we realized asbestos in home insulations was killing us?
3. What did we do when we realized certain baby cribs was killing our defenseless children?
4.. What should we do now that we realize guns are killing us?
I bid you a good day.
What did we do after 170 million people were killed at the hands of their own government? You would have us believe the right thing to do is give our menacing guns to the government. The only reason somebody wants you to be defenceless is so you can't fight back.
GUEST

Jonesboro, AR

#12 Jan 10, 2013
Cathouse Mouse wrote:
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Actually, people with guns are killing people. That's the focus.
Wrong again Lady GaGa, that's NOT the focus....that's YOUR focus!
GUEST

Jonesboro, AR

#13 Jan 10, 2013
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither

liberty nor safety."

-- Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759.
Fo Show

Little Rock, AR

#14 Jan 10, 2013
This is a post I recently made on another thread. That thread seems to be dominated by dumbasses trying to out do each other so I thought I'd drop it in here and see if there are some people interested in reasonable discussion.

One thing that seems to be getting lost in all the discussion about gun control that is really at the core of what's prompted this emotional debate is that mentally disturbed people intent on inflicting mass casualties on children will find a way to carry out their twisted goal. Timothy McVeigh is a reminder that you can inflict mass casualties without the use of a gun.

Personally, I think background checks for all guns sales is just a good idea. It wouldn't bother me if they required a more extensive background check and a waiting period for these so called "assault weapons." That would make it marginally more difficult for felons to get their hands on a gun. But in the case of Sandy Hook, the guns were legally purchased. What we'll never know is would this young man have got on the internet and found a way to make pipe bombs or some other lethal device to carry out this insane act.

I think most gun and shooting enthusiast such as myself would be fine with legislation such as that mentioned above. It doesn't infringe on any 2nd Amendmen rights and might have some positive effects. I think it's likey that a ban similar to the previous one will end up being voted on. Anything beyond this is going to start meet increasing resistance and losing popular support.

That's just the reality of it regardless of how you feel. We already have a massive number of military looking guns that are already in private ownership. A similarly huge number have been sold since the first mention of gun control. Those guns are not going to taken up by the government and it's unrealistic to think they are.

What is being proposed in regard to gun legislation may make it more difficult for mentally deranged individual to get their hands on a high-capacity firearm, but an individual like this isn't worried about being legally compliant. And if they are determined to inflict mass casualies, then nothing I've heard of is going to stop them from finding a way to carry out such a goal. It is just simply impossible to plan for every conceivable scenario that some mentally disturbed person would plan.

My point in all this is that we have to recognize that we are a violent society and that we promote violence in everything from movies to video games. Normal people play these games and watch these movies and don't snap and kill massive numbers of children. We need to be addressing the total lack of mental health services availabl in this country. And we need to listen to experts on how we can be better attuned to behavior that might alert us to someone suffering from a mental health issue. So far talking about gun control has dominated the public conversation and it there are some measures to it that are reasonable.

But simply addressing this alone is not going to stop the problem of a mentally dysfunctional person bent on destruction. It is impossible to make children 100% safe; I wish this weren't true but it is. We do need to make good use of the resources we can bring about and try to use them efficiently and wisely.
haha

West Memphis, AR

#15 Jan 10, 2013
Cathouse Mouse wrote:
<quoted text>Actually, people with guns are killing people. That's the focus.
Kill the people killing people with guns.

Cathouse Mouse

Since: Aug 10

Cathouse Mouse

#16 Jan 10, 2013
GUEST wrote:
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither
liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759.
"Are we really prepared to say that we’re powerless in the face of such carnage, that the politics are too hard? Are we prepared to say that such violence visited on our children year after year after year is somehow the price of our freedom?"

- Barack Obama
- Dec 16, 2012
guest

United States

#17 Jan 10, 2013
Cathouse Mouse wrote:
<quoted text>
"Are we really prepared to say that we’re powerless in the face of such carnage, that the politics are too hard? Are we prepared to say that such violence visited on our children year after year after year is somehow the price of our freedom?"
- Barack Obama
- Dec 16, 2012
Yep
guest

United States

#18 Jan 10, 2013
I'd rather have a gun in my hand than the police on the phone. We have every right to possess any firearm that we wish except full auto weapons I say leave those firearms for the military. The firearms that are under attack are semi autos these so called assault weapons operate in the same manner as your grandpas deer rifle. You have to pull the trigger for every bullet that is fired. The only difference is the appearance of the gun. But still yet Its not the gun it's the person pulling the trigger
Fo Show

Little Rock, AR

#19 Jan 10, 2013
guest wrote:
I'd rather have a gun in my hand than the police on the phone. We have every right to possess any firearm that we wish except full auto weapons I say leave those firearms for the military. The firearms that are under attack are semi autos these so called assault weapons operate in the same manner as your grandpas deer rifle. You have to pull the trigger for every bullet that is fired. The only difference is the appearance of the gun. But still yet Its not the gun it's the person pulling the trigger
The reason that we can't own fully-automatic guns without special permits granted by the government is because they were outlawed in the 1930s because of their use in the high profile robberies of that era by the likes of John Dillinger, Bonnie & Clyde, etc.. I do agree that semi-autos or self-feeding rifles can be an old deer rifle or an AR-15. From strictly a legal standpoint, Congress could pass a law making it illegal to own a clip, magazine or similar bullet housing that would hold more than say 10 rounds and I think it would probably be Constitutionally acceptable just based on the machine gun precedent. I'm sure the language would have to be very specific and without ambiguity.
GUEST

Jonesboro, AR

#20 Jan 10, 2013
Cathouse Mouse wrote:
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"Are we really prepared to say that we’re powerless in the face of such carnage, that the politics are too hard? Are we prepared to say that such violence visited on our children year after year after year is somehow the price of our freedom?"
- Barack Obama
- Dec 16, 2012
I don't like nut killing children or ANYBODY but, YES, that's a part of the price of our freedom.

“Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms (of government) those entrusted with power

have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny”
Thomas Jefferson

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