Since: Feb 12

Jonesboro, AR

#23 Feb 22, 2012
The Laptop Lolita wrote:
I was wondering that myself.. about the jurisdiction part. Patrol isn't an investigator, that's who you should've been discussing this with. Because it's falling under theft or possible fraud, I would think they would've called you in for questioning, it's a non-violent crime. Things of this nature take months or years to unravel. As for your Google account that's a whole other story. Why would they just shut it down. If this is illegal arms, drugs or something dangerous & harmful.... I can see why this may have been done & our local boys involved. May I ask what item or items were sold? And how long after transaction was the account closed down?
baaaahahahaha, porn, illegal firearms, etc....why do people always assume the worst?

Sure LL, I sell Sports cards and memorabilia. Quite the opposite of what people where thinking, huh,:p

The account closed, immediately when payment was made...

and the only answer I got from google, that still makes no sense to me is, that my account was linked to other accounts do to using a public isp address. i.e. Libraray, College, Hospital, McDonalds... lol

Since: Feb 12

Jonesboro, AR

#24 Feb 22, 2012
Cousel wrote:
<quoted text>
Law enforcement has a legal right and responsibilty to investigate any alleged crime that is perpetrated from within their jurisdiction.
That's kind of what I thought, but answer me this....

Why would the Jonesboro Police dept AND Arkansas State Police NOT investigate or help me at all when someone came into my house and stole some of my own sports cards? I have names, numbers, addresses, written proof of admittance...

This too, is another of the MANY reasons JB Police and Jboro's Government are running our family out of town. We are looking to move. I've never been in trouble with the law in my life, no record, even clean driving record. But I've been treated like a criminal on more than one occasion now with out reason. This place is whacked....

Since: Feb 12

Jonesboro, AR

#25 Feb 22, 2012
Guest40 wrote:
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If an officer believes a crime has taken place then yes they will detain her. I thought that was self explanatory.
officer believes? So, someone can just call.....tell the cops a crime occurred with nothing more than his statement for proof, and you can be arrested? No way, please tell me this isn't true.

Since: Feb 12

Jonesboro, AR

#26 Feb 22, 2012
little help wrote:
A patrolman is an investigator, detective, guard, traffic control, mother, father, etc...
One party perceives they are a victim. Call police. Police determine criminal or civil. Criminal is then handled by the police, prosecutors and Criminal court. Civil is handled in Civil court. If its a simple theft any officer can handle it. If its a theft of $2500 or more then any officer interviews the initial victim (like they did you) and if found to meet above mentioned facts, they then write a report and transfer to detective.
In this case you are criminal if you stole the guys money. If not, then it is civil. I assume since you wrote this from home then you are not in jail. Therefore, the patrolman who interviewed you did a damn good job determining that you were telling the truth and didn't take you to jail. So, civil matter it is.
As for a business. You personally need to refund the man and not google. YOU have the obligation to the buyer, not google.
You can complain to the local PD or sheriffs office on that officer. But you may wait outside the captains office for a bit cause THAT officer will probably be getting a commendation for his work.
Yea, but I was basically put on trial on my front porch. A patrolman is NOT a Judge or Jury

oh, and just fyi, the buyer did get his money back, he just didn't know it...but nor did I.
Guest40

Jonesboro, AR

#27 Feb 22, 2012
Haven_Safeless wrote:
<quoted text>
officer believes? So, someone can just call.....tell the cops a crime occurred with nothing more than his statement for proof, and you can be arrested? No way, please tell me this isn't true.
Detained is not the same as being arrested.

Detentions are shorter in duration and scope than arrest, and require a lower burden of proof.

If a officer has Reasonable Suspicion that a crime has or is about to occur, and reasonably believes that a person may have information about this, he can detain them for a short period of time to investigate the matter.
little help

Fort Worth, TX

#28 Feb 22, 2012
Haven. Goodbye then.
Ray, as usual you name call because your tough on a computer. But, you are most def right...you are part of the 5%.
Guest

United States

#29 Feb 23, 2012
Go and take your meth selling with you.

Since: Oct 11

Location hidden

#30 Feb 23, 2012
Haven_Safeless wrote:
<quoted text>
baaaahahahaha, porn, illegal firearms, etc....why do people always assume the worst?
Sure LL, I sell Sports cards and memorabilia. Quite the opposite of what people where thinking, huh,:p
The account closed, immediately when payment was made...
and the only answer I got from google, that still makes no sense to me is, that my account was linked to other accounts do to using a public isp address. i.e. Libraray, College, Hospital, McDonalds... lol
I was just throwing stuff out there, I was on your side remember? I'm not "you people" either. If anything it sounds like Google were trying to protect all parties involved from possible fraud. It appears the buyer didn't see it that way & reported you. Did you learn anything? I believe that the moral of the story here:)
guest

Jonesboro, AR

#31 Feb 23, 2012
Goodbye Haven :)
Guest

Mountain Home, AR

#32 Feb 23, 2012
Haven_Safeless wrote:
Need your intelligent opinion.
Short version first
We run a "modest at best" online/home business...
we sold and item to someone across the country, with agreement after payment clears to my bank, I ship item
the buyer paid, his credit card was charged by my online payment service provider,(Google-Wallet) and funds were supposed to be transferred to my bank within 10 days.
for reasons still unknown, our Google Account was closed/temporarily suspended, and we cannot gain access to it in order to refund the buyers payment.
So now his funds are being held up by Google.
buyer calls Police....police show up at my door...got me out of bed to answer questions regarding this matter.....I was aggressively questioned, I answered numerous times without hesitation, with clear details....yet, the cop would dissect every answer I gave him as if it was a sure lie, I just made it up or I was on trial.
How is this any business of the police? If the buyer, the seller and payment service provider can not come to a resolution, does it not then become a civil matter and Attorneys need to be contacted?
Any ideas? I'm about to file a complaint....kind of want to hear some opinions first before I waste my time....
Thanks, and I appreciate your time and thoughts
The best thing to say is "do you have a warrant" if not get off my property"! This case doesn't seem legit, something isn't right.
Guest

Mountain Home, AR

#33 Feb 23, 2012
Guest40 wrote:
<quoted text>
If an officer believes a crime has taken place then yes they will detain her. I thought that was self explanatory.
A cop must have a signed complaint or warrant or witness the crime themselves to arrest you. If a stupid one chooses to arrest you without any of the above a lawsuit is just waiting to pounce on them. To detain someone is a gray area, a smart person should request to be arrested or allowed to go free and fore go the "detain" part, its just loop hole that cops use to harass people. Get to know your rights we have so few left and are losing more each day. I have never seen or heard of a cop coming to a call that actually did any good for anyone involved. Most times they say "there is nothing we can do", or some other useless line.

“the hammer”

Since: Oct 08

n a

#34 Feb 23, 2012
little help wrote:
Haven. Goodbye then.
Ray, as usual you name call because your tough on a computer. But, you are most def right...you are part of the 5%.
lol,,HA!!!!!!!! you apparently do not know me or you would know i back my mouth up!!!

Since: Feb 12

Jonesboro, AR

#35 Feb 23, 2012
The Laptop Lolita wrote:
<quoted text>I was just throwing stuff out there, I was on your side remember? I'm not "you people" either. If anything it sounds like Google were trying to protect all parties involved from possible fraud. It appears the buyer didn't see it that way & reported you. Did you learn anything? I believe that the moral of the story here:)
No, LL, Sorry sweetie, that wasn't directed at you, but the other few haters and ignorant people on here(the usual) I was being lazy and replying to a few at once....I should be more careful in the future Sawwwy :(

“the hammer”

Since: Oct 08

n a

#36 Feb 23, 2012
Haven_Safeless wrote:
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officer believes? So, someone can just call.....tell the cops a crime occurred with nothing more than his statement for proof, and you can be arrested? No way, please tell me this isn't true.
No they can not!! but the police do have to respond to the call,,however J.P.D. would like to think they can get by with undetained questionings and unlawful detentions,,

Hope it works out for you,,but don't let them push your 4th amendment aside,,

Since: Feb 12

Jonesboro, AR

#37 Feb 23, 2012
Guest wrote:
<quoted text>
A cop must have a signed complaint or warrant or witness the crime themselves to arrest you. If a stupid one chooses to arrest you without any of the above a lawsuit is just waiting to pounce on them. To detain someone is a gray area, a smart person should request to be arrested or allowed to go free and fore go the "detain" part, its just loop hole that cops use to harass people. Get to know your rights we have so few left and are losing more each day. I have never seen or heard of a cop coming to a call that actually did any good for anyone involved. Most times they say "there is nothing we can do", or some other useless line.
That's what I believe as well
Guest

United States

#38 Feb 23, 2012
ray elliott wrote:
<quoted text>lol,,HA!!!!!!!! you apparently do not know me or you would know i back my mouth up!!!
I know you back your mouth up on one of these .!.

“the hammer”

Since: Oct 08

n a

#39 Feb 23, 2012
Guest wrote:
<quoted text>
I know you back your mouth up on one of these .!.
freaken queer!!

“the hammer”

Since: Oct 08

n a

#40 Feb 23, 2012
Guest wrote:
<quoted text>
I know you back your mouth up on one of these .!.
r u from bono by chance,,,he he he,,
Guest

United States

#41 Feb 23, 2012
ray elliott wrote:
<quoted text>r u from bono by chance,,,he he he,,
Stop the teasing cowboy.

Since: Apr 11

Paragould, AR

#42 Feb 23, 2012
Haven_Safeless wrote:
Need your intelligent opinion.
Short version first
We run a "modest at best" online/home business...
we sold and item to someone across the country, with agreement after payment clears to my bank, I ship item
the buyer paid, his credit card was charged by my online payment service provider,(Google-Wallet) and funds were supposed to be transferred to my bank within 10 days.
for reasons still unknown, our Google Account was closed/temporarily suspended, and we cannot gain access to it in order to refund the buyers payment.
So now his funds are being held up by Google.
buyer calls Police....police show up at my door...got me out of bed to answer questions regarding this matter.....I was aggressively questioned, I answered numerous times without hesitation, with clear details....yet, the cop would dissect every answer I gave him as if it was a sure lie, I just made it up or I was on trial.
How is this any business of the police? If the buyer, the seller and payment service provider can not come to a resolution, does it not then become a civil matter and Attorneys need to be contacted?
Any ideas? I'm about to file a complaint....kind of want to hear some opinions first before I waste my time....
Thanks, and I appreciate your time and thoughts
If they don't have a warrant, you don't even have to talk to them. Tell them..."get a warrant, and my lawyer will answer your questions". End of story. Don't let these thugs intimidate you...

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