Jonesboro Police Running us out of town...

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Since: Feb 12

Jonesboro, AR

#1 Feb 20, 2012
Need your intelligent opinion.

Short version first

We run a "modest at best" online/home business...

we sold and item to someone across the country, with agreement after payment clears to my bank, I ship item

the buyer paid, his credit card was charged by my online payment service provider,(Google-Wallet) and funds were supposed to be transferred to my bank within 10 days.

for reasons still unknown, our Google Account was closed/temporarily suspended, and we cannot gain access to it in order to refund the buyers payment.

So now his funds are being held up by Google.

buyer calls Police....police show up at my door...got me out of bed to answer questions regarding this matter.....I was aggressively questioned, I answered numerous times without hesitation, with clear details....yet, the cop would dissect every answer I gave him as if it was a sure lie, I just made it up or I was on trial.

How is this any business of the police? If the buyer, the seller and payment service provider can not come to a resolution, does it not then become a civil matter and Attorneys need to be contacted?

Any ideas? I'm about to file a complaint....kind of want to hear some opinions first before I waste my time....

Thanks, and I appreciate your time and thoughts
just saying

Trumann, AR

#2 Feb 21, 2012
if you did not ship the item or did not grant a refund for whatever reason when the item was returned, then you can be charged with thief if you don't have a valid reason. That is why the police was involved.

The buyer had a right to call the police if he felt you ripped him off. The buyer was within his rights, the police were within their right to investigate the complaint, and it seems you don't have enough common sense to run a business if your feelings got hurt.

Since: Feb 12

Jonesboro, AR

#3 Feb 21, 2012
just saying wrote:
if you did not ship the item or did not grant a refund for whatever reason when the item was returned, then you can be charged with thief if you don't have a valid reason. That is why the police was involved.
The buyer had a right to call the police if he felt you ripped him off. The buyer was within his rights, the police were within their right to investigate the complaint, and it seems you don't have enough common sense to run a business if your feelings got hurt.
No, see I never received their payment, Google did, so I never shipped their item.

and I want Google to refund it

Since: Feb 12

Jonesboro, AR

#4 Feb 21, 2012
wow, and I just noticed your "don't have enough common sense" common sense remark, was that really necessary, you feel better now?
That just made you and your comment go from appreciated and possibly helpful straight to hateful and ignorant...I guess the short version was too cryptic for you?... just sayin

So answer me this Einstein...which law gives a city cop jurisdiction over a "would-be" or possible Federal Internet Crime?

Since: Oct 11

Location hidden

#5 Feb 21, 2012
I was wondering that myself.. about the jurisdiction part. Patrol isn't an investigator, that's who you should've been discussing this with. Because it's falling under theft or possible fraud, I would think they would've called you in for questioning, it's a non-violent crime. Things of this nature take months or years to unravel. As for your Google account that's a whole other story. Why would they just shut it down. If this is illegal arms, drugs or something dangerous & harmful.... I can see why this may have been done & our local boys involved. May I ask what item or items were sold? And how long after transaction was the account closed down?
Guest40

Jonesboro, AR

#7 Feb 21, 2012
Did you contact google customer support and ask why your account was closed and if so what did they tell you?
jon

Littleton, CO

#8 Feb 21, 2012
yah is good
little help

Little Rock, AR

#9 Feb 21, 2012
A patrolman is an investigator, detective, guard, traffic control, mother, father, etc...

One party perceives they are a victim. Call police. Police determine criminal or civil. Criminal is then handled by the police, prosecutors and Criminal court. Civil is handled in Civil court. If its a simple theft any officer can handle it. If its a theft of $2500 or more then any officer interviews the initial victim (like they did you) and if found to meet above mentioned facts, they then write a report and transfer to detective.

In this case you are criminal if you stole the guys money. If not, then it is civil. I assume since you wrote this from home then you are not in jail. Therefore, the patrolman who interviewed you did a damn good job determining that you were telling the truth and didn't take you to jail. So, civil matter it is.

As for a business. You personally need to refund the man and not google. YOU have the obligation to the buyer, not google.

You can complain to the local PD or sheriffs office on that officer. But you may wait outside the captains office for a bit cause THAT officer will probably be getting a commendation for his work.
Cousel

Jonesboro, AR

#10 Feb 21, 2012
Haven_Safeless wrote:
wow, and I just noticed your "don't have enough common sense" common sense remark, was that really necessary, you feel better now?
That just made you and your comment go from appreciated and possibly helpful straight to hateful and ignorant...I guess the short version was too cryptic for you?... just sayin
So answer me this Einstein...which law gives a city cop jurisdiction over a "would-be" or possible Federal Internet Crime?
Law enforcement has a legal right and responsibilty to investigate any alleged crime that is perpetrated from within their jurisdiction.
good work JPD

Little Rock, AR

#11 Feb 21, 2012
Freaks who deal in child porn and other illegal merchandise should be given a fair trial and then executed.

“the hammer”

Since: Oct 08

n a

#12 Feb 21, 2012
Cousel wrote:
<quoted text>
Law enforcement has a legal right and responsibilty to investigate any alleged crime that is perpetrated from within their jurisdiction.
This is true,,,but third degree over a google account?????? nazi's will look so pretty going up against the corp.!!!!!!! hahaha hehehe

“truth is a three edged sword”

Since: Jan 11

Babylon 5, Epsilon Eridani

#13 Feb 21, 2012
ray elliott wrote:
<quoted text>This is true,,,but third degree over a google account?????? nazi's will look so pretty going up against the corp.!!!!!!! hahaha hehehe
it had nothing to do with the google account. the money was paid in good faith by the buyer. the buyer either expects to be shipped the item purchased or a full refund. If there is a problem between the seller and their bank, merchant account or whatever, then that is their problem - not the buyers.

The police did what they did to determine if the seller was committing some sort of fraud.

If googled locked the account, it does sound like the seller has been engaged in something that violates their rules and there is possible illegal activity on the sellers part.

“truth is a three edged sword”

Since: Jan 11

Babylon 5, Epsilon Eridani

#14 Feb 21, 2012
oops I meant "google locked the account" not googled. me fingers walked the wrong direction again.

Since: Oct 11

Location hidden

#15 Feb 21, 2012
Last time I checked, I didn't have a polo wearing CID pulling me over for speeding, nor did I get questioned by Patrol with his walkie talkie going off & belt squeaking over a civil matter a few years back. There are different levels of Police officers...& Patrol means "patrol"....
Guest40

Jonesboro, AR

#16 Feb 21, 2012
The buyer may have suspected you of perpetrating a scam/internet fraud which can be a criminal matter as well as a civil matter. The buyer is perfectly within their rights to contact the authorities. Generally what happens in cases like this, the police will send a uniform officer out to conduct a initial investigation.

1.If the officer feels there was no intent to commit a crime then that's the end of it and it becomes a civil matter.

2.If the officer does feel there was intent he can bring you in for additional questioning usually conducted by a detective.

As far as your google account goes. It is not the buyers responsibility to maintain your account and keep it active, that responsibility lies with you. You made a deal with the buyer which they lived up to it is not their fault that your account was closed. The fact that you haven't received your money from google is between you and google. You really only have 2 options here.

Refund the buyers money or send the item. Trust me you do not want this to become a civil matter it will be more of a headache than its worth.

“the hammer”

Since: Oct 08

n a

#18 Feb 21, 2012
Guest40 wrote:
The buyer may have suspected you of perpetrating a scam/internet fraud which can be a criminal matter as well as a civil matter. The buyer is perfectly within their rights to contact the authorities. Generally what happens in cases like this, the police will send a uniform officer out to conduct a initial investigation.
1.If the officer feels there was no intent to commit a crime then that's the end of it and it becomes a civil matter.
2.If the officer does feel there was intent he can bring you in for additional questioning usually conducted by a detective.
As far as your google account goes. It is not the buyers responsibility to maintain your account and keep it active, that responsibility lies with you. You made a deal with the buyer which they lived up to it is not their fault that your account was closed. The fact that you haven't received your money from google is between you and google. You really only have 2 options here.
Refund the buyers money or send the item. Trust me you do not want this to become a civil matter it will be more of a headache than its worth.
# 2 is not so correct they can only ask him to go the station if forced they would have to detain him or her,,
Shall i post it for you????

“the hammer”

Since: Oct 08

n a

#19 Feb 21, 2012
guest wrote:
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Actually CID can and will pull you over. I have the ticket to prove it.
yeah and they been doing it a lot here lately
Guest40

Jonesboro, AR

#20 Feb 21, 2012
ray elliott wrote:
<quoted text># 2 is not so correct they can only ask him to go the station if forced they would have to detain him or her,,
Shall i post it for you????
If an officer believes a crime has taken place then yes they will detain her. I thought that was self explanatory.
little help

Fort Worth, TX

#21 Feb 21, 2012
CID can pull you over for speeding. SRO's can arrest someone for DWI. And "patrolman" is a rank. Not specific to just speeding tickets and DWI's.

This isn't hard to get (unless you hate cops then I should shut up now because it will not mater what I say).

A trucker pumps $200 worth of fuel. Card machine is broke at the pump and will not take his card. Trucker get mad a leaves. Is this theft or a civil matter with the pump owner/credit card owner? Regardless, who is called to investigate? CID, patrolman, or even a State Trooper? Put your self in the shoes of the owner of the fuel company, they have these daily. Wouldn't that get old?

When you think of a patrolman, cop, pig, nazi, or any form of cop...remember this. 90% of the people in the world are good people, the other 10% are liars, thieves, and just plan bad! 90% of a cops day are spent dealing w that 10%.

So, if your stopped, detained, or got your feelings hurt by a cop...he might have just left a 10%er. He might have just seen another beaten and bruised kid, wife or girlfriend. He might have just fought another drunk pissing in the middle of main street in front of a school bus...etc.

“the hammer”

Since: Oct 08

n a

#22 Feb 22, 2012
little help wrote:
CID can pull you over for speeding. SRO's can arrest someone for DWI. And "patrolman" is a rank. Not specific to just speeding tickets and DWI's.
This isn't hard to get (unless you hate cops then I should shut up now because it will not mater what I say).
A trucker pumps $200 worth of fuel. Card machine is broke at the pump and will not take his card. Trucker get mad a leaves. Is this theft or a civil matter with the pump owner/credit card owner? Regardless, who is called to investigate? CID, patrolman, or even a State Trooper? Put your self in the shoes of the owner of the fuel company, they have these daily. Wouldn't that get old?
When you think of a patrolman, cop, pig, nazi, or any form of cop...remember this. 90% of the people in the world are good people, the other 10% are liars, thieves, and just plan bad! 90% of a cops day are spent dealing w that 10%.
So, if your stopped, detained, or got your feelings hurt by a cop...he might have just left a 10%er. He might have just seen another beaten and bruised kid, wife or girlfriend. He might have just fought another drunk pissing in the middle of main street in front of a school bus...etc.
And then you have 5% ier's such as myself that don't fit in your ratio that believes in the constitution!!! THAT DON'T GET IN TROUBLE!!!!

so rethink ur pie chart and think there is another class of person out here,,,biotch!!!

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