Jonesboro Sun Prints Another Incredib...

Jonesboro Sun Prints Another Incredible Lie

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guest

Jonesboro, AR

#1 Nov 1, 2011
Monday the Sun displayed a stunning lack of journalistic integrity when it printed the outrageous falsehood that the concept and particular words of "separation of church and state" were invented by Leo Pfeffer in 1947 in the Supreme Court case of Everson v. Board of Education of Ewing Township. And provides the link www.creationists.org/myth-of-the-separation-o... . Also, the Sun prints verbatim from this website.

The website does in fact cite an 1802 letter from founding father Thomas Jefferson that in fact uses these very words: " contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should “make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” thus building a wall of separation between Church and State". "

Yet amazingly this is not seen as Jefferson having used the words!


In the 1947 Everson v. Board of Education decision, Justice Hugo Black (NOT LEO PFEFFER) wrote, "In the words of Thomas Jefferson, the clause against establishment of religion by law was intended to erect a wall of separation between church and state."

It is the craziness of the conservative movement that it pushes such demonstrable falsehoods to further it goal.

Way to go Sun. Just when I thought you couldn't be any less credible as a news source.
guest

Jonesboro, AR

#2 Nov 1, 2011
Creationism is a POLITICAL movement.
Creationism is not science.
Creationism is not about truth.
Creationism is about overtly and covertly inflicting religion upon government.
guest

Jonesboro, AR

#3 Nov 1, 2011
Jefferson wrote a letter to the Danbury Baptist Association in 1802 to answer a letter from them written in October 1801. A copy of the Danbury letter is available here. The Danbury Baptists were a religious minority in Connecticut, and they complained that in their state, the religious liberties they enjoyed were not seen as immutable rights, but as privileges granted by the legislature — as "favors granted." Jefferson's reply did not address their concerns about problems with state establishment of religion — only of establishment on the national level. The letter contains the phrase "wall of separation between church and state," which led to the short-hand for the Establishment Clause that we use today: "Separation of church and state."
guest

Jonesboro, AR

#4 Nov 1, 2011
In 1797, the United States Senate ratified a treaty with Tripoli that stated in Article 11:

As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

Because Article VI, clause 2 of the United States Constitution renders ratified treaties "the supreme Law of the Land", supporters of the separation of church and state believe the Treaty of Tripoli confirms that the government of the United States was specifically intended to be religiously neutral.
slop a hog

Jonesboro, AR

#5 Nov 1, 2011
who cares
guest

Jonesboro, AR

#6 Nov 1, 2011
slop a hog wrote:
who cares
it takes a brain to care about this one
slop a hog

Jonesboro, AR

#7 Nov 2, 2011
trivial
guest

Jonesboro, AR

#8 Nov 2, 2011
slop a hog wrote:
trivial
A principle our country is founded on is trivial? Like I said, it takes a brain to care about this one.
guest

Jonesboro, AR

#9 Nov 2, 2011
Should the Jonesboro Sun be legally required to register as a lobbyist for the GOP?
slop a hog

Jonesboro, AR

#10 Nov 2, 2011
over 200 year ago, who said what exactly when is really important compared to what we are facing today????? congrats on pointing out that jbs mistake, want a cookie?
guest

Jonesboro, AR

#11 Nov 2, 2011
slop a hog wrote:
over 200 year ago, who said what exactly when is really important compared to what we are facing today????? congrats on pointing out that jbs mistake, want a cookie?
The battle over separation of church and state is part of what we are facing today. I'd love a cookie thank you!
got your bacon

Jonesboro, AR

#12 Nov 2, 2011
slop a hog wrote:
over 200 year ago, who said what exactly when is really important compared to what we are facing today?????
Tell that to your preacher next time he cracks open that old Bible he keeps going on about.
slop a hog

Jonesboro, AR

#13 Nov 2, 2011
now u are stretchin for a reply.........my point is i dont read the sun and i dont care if they made a mistake on a quote made 200 yrs. ago. for all you know, someone before him made the statement, just never was recorded.
guest

Jonesboro, AR

#14 Nov 25, 2011
slop a hog wrote:
now u are stretchin for a reply.........my point is i dont read the sun and i dont care if they made a mistake on a quote made 200 yrs. ago. for all you know, someone before him made the statement, just never was recorded.
Maybe so, but Leo Pfeffer and the ACLU sure didn't invent the words and concept in 1947. Print a correction Jonesboro Sun. Or do you stand by what you have already printed?
OldAnon

Jonesboro, AR

#15 Nov 29, 2011
Really? You know, more than half of what The Sun prints is AP, right? I personally don't read the paper, so I don't know if this particular article was an AP one or not.

The issue shouldn't be who said what, but the actuality of church and state being separated.
guest

Jonesboro, AR

#16 Nov 29, 2011
OldAnon wrote:
Really? You know, more than half of what The Sun prints is AP, right? I personally don't read the paper, so I don't know if this particular article was an AP one or not.
The issue shouldn't be who said what, but the actuality of church and state being separated.
Sorry no. Read the article before you try to respond. It was an article based on an interview of a local Jonesboro Tea Party activist. And who said what does actually does go the separation of church and state. Said activist and the Sun presented the falsehood that there shouldn't be separation of church and state because the ACLU cooked up the idea. When in actuality it was a founding father, Thomas Jefferson who incorporated the concept in our US Constitution.
guest

United States

#17 Nov 30, 2011
What is incorporated in the U.S. Constitution is a prohibition of government establishing a state religion, or laws prohibiting the free exercise of religion.

It's freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion.

Neither does the Constitution prohibit religious displays in public, even on government property. We have only to consider that every session of Congress has opened with prayer ever since the founding of our country. Also, the 10 Commandments are proudly displayed at the Supreme Court building in Washington DC, and we all know that the famed Liberty Bell is inscribed with a scripture from the Bible, Leviticus 25:10.

The idea that every public expression of religion - Christianity in particular - must be stamped out because the Constitution so requires is indeed a far left position. It's certainly not supported by the actual text of the 1st Amendment.
guest

Jonesboro, AR

#18 Nov 30, 2011
guest wrote:
What is incorporated in the U.S. Constitution is a prohibition of government establishing a state religion, or laws prohibiting the free exercise of religion.
It's freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion.
Neither does the Constitution prohibit religious displays in public, even on government property. We have only to consider that every session of Congress has opened with prayer ever since the founding of our country. Also, the 10 Commandments are proudly displayed at the Supreme Court building in Washington DC, and we all know that the famed Liberty Bell is inscribed with a scripture from the Bible, Leviticus 25:10.
The idea that every public expression of religion - Christianity in particular - must be stamped out because the Constitution so requires is indeed a far left position. It's certainly not supported by the actual text of the 1st Amendment.
Pure christian bigot bullshit ! The Bill of Rights says Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or the free exercise thereof. You christian bigots use Public property for your christmas bullshit. But do not allow anyone but christians to use Public property. The Forum is a great example of this christian bigotry. The Forum has been held hostage by a christian group for almost 2 decades, and won't allow non-christians to use our own Public building. Your religion is a private thing and must be kept private. Your religion has no place on Public property, in schools or any Public government places.
You christian bigots want children to be forced to say your Satanic christian prayers in school. Anyone can pray any time they choose. School is not a place for prayer. It's a place to get an education. Quit being such lawless perverts ! America is One Nation Under GOD, not a demonic christian nation. and btw.....ALL bible scriptures are "GOD breathed", not christian breathed ! When you christian devils pray, you close your eyes and go into complete darkness, then look DOWN to Hell and pray to your Satanic christian "gods". Those who pray to GOD, open their eyes and lift their heads up and pray to GOD. You christian devils will never succeed in forcing others to pray to the devil like all you christians do. Your christianity is only unlimited seduction to evil.
Guest

Searcy, AR

#19 Nov 30, 2011
Okay, I'm not real sure where the post above is going but I do support a seperation of church and state and think the treaty with Tripoli is a pretty damn clear that the US was not intended to be a Christian nation and it went to great lengths to clarify that. I am a Christian and I support this seperation. I don't understand this need of some Christians to force certain holidays down everybody's throat.
guest

Jonesboro, AR

#20 Nov 30, 2011
Guest wrote:
Okay, I'm not real sure where the post above is going but I do support a seperation of church and state and think the treaty with Tripoli is a pretty damn clear that the US was not intended to be a Christian nation and it went to great lengths to clarify that. I am a Christian and I support this seperation. I don't understand this need of some Christians to force certain holidays down everybody's throat.
Good for you. Government isn't allowed to promote any religion because not all People are religious, and the government was established to serve all the People, not just those who are religious. Bigots want their religion promoted and honored by government. And that's where any and all conflict and debates are. If christians would get some morals and turn to GOD, they would begin to find the solutions to problems. But christianity is about glorifying men. So that's why christians are Powerless to solve any problems. As a result, all christians really want is control over others; which defines them as the devil.
But I respect your right to choose to ignore GOD in favor of your christianity; which has absolutely nothing to do with the GOD in the bible.

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