All People Are Getting More Evil
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North Little Rock, AR

#42 Nov 7, 2011
just so you know 2 wrote:
<quoted text> Guess what God didnt write the Bible. Shows how ignorant you really are. If you dont like gay people tell all the straight folks to stop having gay children.
Hey, now, there's no need to make personal attacks. Such things reflect poorly on all nonbelievers, and lead to worsening our already negative public image. Just so you know made no such claim; you're beating a strawman.

I believe the Christian doctrine regarding the authorship of the Bible claims that it was written by men under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. I will concede that such a claim cannot be positively validated by any objective method.

Your "advice" is meaningless to this person, and falls on deaf ears, as he (she?) has already made it clear that (s)he does not accept that anyone is born homosexual, despite mounds of scientific and medical evidence verifying that such is true. Clearly another attack on this person's character.

Please refrain from making baseless attacks on people's beliefs and stick to the topic at had. You're making all dissenters look like idiots, and we don't appreciate it.
lol

North Little Rock, AR

#43 Nov 7, 2011
Just so you will know wrote:
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The war on drugs is a failure because until the punishment outweighs the benefits of drugs, why should people not make them or sell them? Most children are NO LONGER disciplined at home, end of that story. We have corrupt politicians because of greed, that's no surprise. Illegal immigration will not be stopped until the punishment for that also outweighs the benefits. We are about the only country that I know of that doesn't shoot people when they come across illegally. I could stop illegal immigration in 2 to 3 weeks. Put up signs in every language along the border saying if you cross over, you WILL BE SHOT AND SURVIVORS SHOT AGAIN. If a few of them try it anyway, shoot them, hang them on the fence like coyotes, and after a few days the rest of them will get the message that losing your life is not worth the risk of crossing. Does that sound harsh? You better believe it. Is it not harsh that OUR people along the border are being robbed, killed, and God only knows what else by these people crossing over illegally? You better believe that, too. If they are given ample warning of the consequences if they cross, then they need to be shot for stupidity. they come into this country the same way our ancestors came in....legally or not at all. Ever illegal should be rounded up and sent back before this starts and if they come back, they can hang on a fence until they rot, too. Something worse than the benefits of coming to this country is the ONLY thing that is going to stop them. If people can't read, then draw them a picture so they get the message, YOU ARE NOT WANTED HERE UNLESS YOU ARE LEGAL. Even then we will pay Medicaid on them, give them the EIC on their taxes and basicaally support them anyway. Just my opinion, but you cannot deny it would work.
Oh yeah, I suppose you believe that homosexuality will go away if they are allowed to marry since that is taboo, also. Not likely!
I don't see where the responsibility of raising children should fall on the schools because parents won't step up to the plate and do their duty as parents. My high school education was a joke, in part because so much classtime was lost trying to keep unruly students that should have been expelled long ago in line. Why should the quality of education suffer because of the failings of parents?

As far as punishments outweighing benefits, the death penalty is about as weighty as punishments get, and historically it has been shown to be ineffective. Drug use has increased since the drug war began, and is currently at an all-time high. Continuing with the same course of action and expecting different results is the very definition of insanity; we need to change our strategy.

On immigration, I really don't know. I agree that illegals should be deported, but it seems to me like thus far we've been treating a symptom without really looking at the underlying problem. Again, our current strategies are failing and we need to rethink them. Though I read recently that trend now is that the illegals are going back to Mexico on their own.(BTW, illegals paid more in taxes last year than Bank of America, just for reference.)

I don't see where homosexuality is a pressing social issue at all. Why is it the public's business what two consenting adults do in the bedroom? This is a nonissue, a smokescreen thrown up by corrupt politicians to distract voters from real issues, and I beseech you to lay your personal prejudices aside when selecting a candidate at the polling place next November.

Since: Apr 11

I'm from 'Round Here

#44 Nov 7, 2011
lol wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey, now, there's no need to make personal attacks. Such things reflect poorly on all nonbelievers, and lead to worsening our already negative public image. Just so you know made no such claim; you're beating a strawman.
I believe the Christian doctrine regarding the authorship of the Bible claims that it was written by men under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. I will concede that such a claim cannot be positively validated by any objective method.
Your "advice" is meaningless to this person, and falls on deaf ears, as he (she?) has already made it clear that (s)he does not accept that anyone is born homosexual, despite mounds of scientific and medical evidence verifying that such is true. Clearly another attack on this person's character.
Please refrain from making baseless attacks on people's beliefs and stick to the topic at had. You're making all dissenters look like idiots, and we don't appreciate it.
Actually there is not scientific evidence that people are born gay, only speculation and guesswork. Even if they are attracted to the same sex, they don't have to act on it anymore than I have to act on seeing a good looking man and jumping his bones. The decision to act is there and in all of us one way or the other. We can just say NO. It's really a simple concept when you think about it, but the forbidden has always tempted every human being and will continue to do so until I guess nothing is forbidden anymore.......then what?

Since: Apr 11

I'm from 'Round Here

#45 Nov 7, 2011
just so you know 2 wrote:
<quoted text> Guess what God didnt write the Bible. Shows how ignorant you really are. If you dont like gay people tell all the straight folks to stop having gay children.
Oh but God did write the Bible through men that he chose to have write it. One thing about it, we don't have to worry about gay folks having any children of any kind without outside help. That should show you that it was not meant for them to be together.
Old Biker

United States

#46 Nov 7, 2011
lol wrote:
<quoted text>
Regardless, it was an official document passed by congress and signed by the president which asserts that this country is NOT founded on Christianity, which I feel is a strong argument for keeping hebrew fairy tales out of government.
Regardless my a$$. Feb. 29 1892 the U.S. Supreme Court declared that America is legally and organically a Christen nation.
Holy Trinity Church vs. United States of America.
143.U.S. 457,12s.ct. 511,36l.ed.226
As you can see this was well after the Tripoli Treaty.
P.S.
I know history even better than Harley's.

Since: Apr 11

I'm from 'Round Here

#47 Nov 7, 2011
lol wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't see where the responsibility of raising children should fall on the schools because parents won't step up to the plate and do their duty as parents. My high school education was a joke, in part because so much classtime was lost trying to keep unruly students that should have been expelled long ago in line. Why should the quality of education suffer because of the failings of parents?
As far as punishments outweighing benefits, the death penalty is about as weighty as punishments get, and historically it has been shown to be ineffective. Drug use has increased since the drug war began, and is currently at an all-time high. Continuing with the same course of action and expecting different results is the very definition of insanity; we need to change our strategy.
On immigration, I really don't know. I agree that illegals should be deported, but it seems to me like thus far we've been treating a symptom without really looking at the underlying problem. Again, our current strategies are failing and we need to rethink them. Though I read recently that trend now is that the illegals are going back to Mexico on their own.(BTW, illegals paid more in taxes last year than Bank of America, just for reference.)
I don't see where homosexuality is a pressing social issue at all. Why is it the public's business what two consenting adults do in the bedroom? This is a nonissue, a smokescreen thrown up by corrupt politicians to distract voters from real issues, and I beseech you to lay your personal prejudices aside when selecting a candidate at the polling place next November.
Of course the death penalty works. How many executed people have you seen commit a crime? lol It doesn't work because justice is not always doled out equally in our justice system. If they KNOW ahead of time what the penalty is going to be (without plea bargains and evenly applied to all convicts) it would work, at least on those that are executed. I lived in Texas long enough to know that my plan would work and I don't see it as inhumane as long as they are warned and aware of the consequences.

Since: Apr 11

I'm from 'Round Here

#48 Nov 7, 2011
lol wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't see where the responsibility of raising children should fall on the schools because parents won't step up to the plate and do their duty as parents. My high school education was a joke, in part because so much classtime was lost trying to keep unruly students that should have been expelled long ago in line. Why should the quality of education suffer because of the failings of parents?
As far as punishments outweighing benefits, the death penalty is about as weighty as punishments get, and historically it has been shown to be ineffective. Drug use has increased since the drug war began, and is currently at an all-time high. Continuing with the same course of action and expecting different results is the very definition of insanity; we need to change our strategy.
On immigration, I really don't know. I agree that illegals should be deported, but it seems to me like thus far we've been treating a symptom without really looking at the underlying problem. Again, our current strategies are failing and we need to rethink them. Though I read recently that trend now is that the illegals are going back to Mexico on their own.(BTW, illegals paid more in taxes last year than Bank of America, just for reference.)
I don't see where homosexuality is a pressing social issue at all. Why is it the public's business what two consenting adults do in the bedroom? This is a nonissue, a smokescreen thrown up by corrupt politicians to distract voters from real issues, and I beseech you to lay your personal prejudices aside when selecting a candidate at the polling place next November.
Do you have any idea how many parents don't step up to the plate? Way too many. Seems some people only have children as a trophy for society or because their friends do, they have no idea what is really involved in being a good parent. It is more than a full-time job. It is never-ending. I don't know percentages, but I do know there are kids that have no respect at all for their parents, teachers, themselves, or anyone else. Yes, I believe in spankings. Not beatings, but spankings. Have you ever been in a store and heard a mother with two small children, calling them everything but a child and threatening them 'when they get home'. Most of the kids that are misbehaving do so because it is the only attention they get from their parents. Even bad attention is better than no attention. How some parents can call their children names that the child shouldn't even be hearing should be illegal and considered child abuse. I work in a public place and I see how many children actually obey their parents until the parent gets angry or something. I have even stopped the unacceptable behavior simply by talking nicely to the child and making them feel like they are important and do matter. Now, that is sad! My fear is it is only getting worse.
lol

North Little Rock, AR

#49 Nov 7, 2011
Old Biker wrote:
<quoted text>Regardless my a$$. Feb. 29 1892 the U.S. Supreme Court declared that America is legally and organically a Christen nation.
Holy Trinity Church vs. United States of America.
143.U.S. 457,12s.ct. 511,36l.ed.226
As you can see this was well after the Tripoli Treaty.
P.S.
I know history even better than Harley's.
Here's Justice Brewer's (the Justice who wrote the decision you're referring to) take on it in his 1905 book _The United States: A Christian Nation_:

"But in what sense can [the United States] be called a Christian nation? Not in the sense that Christianity is the established religion or the people are compelled in any manner to support it. On the contrary, the Constitution specifically provides that 'congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.' Neither is it Christian in the sense that all its citizens are either in fact or in name Christians. On the contrary, all religions have free scope within its borders. Numbers of our people profess other religions, and many reject all.[...]

Nor is it Christian in the sense that a profession of Christianity is a condition of holding office or otherwise engaging in public service, or essential to recognition either politically or socially. In fact, the government as a legal organization is independent of all religions."

TL;DR We live in a country in which the majority are Christians. My point that the government was not founded on the Christian religion stands. Any student of history should know that the majority of the Founding Fathers were Deists, not Christians, and rationalists to boot.

PS The plural of Harley is Harleys; Harley's is possessive, as in "This Harley's handlebars are warped and need to be replaced," or is a contraction of "Harley is," as in "this Harley's ready for the scrapyard." Also, "christen" is a verb meaning "to name or dedicate something by a ceremony suggestive of baptism." "Christian" is a noun meaning a person who accepts the teachings of Jesus Christ, or an adjective denoting that the modified noun belongs or pertains to Christianity.
lol

North Little Rock, AR

#50 Nov 7, 2011
Just so you will know wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you have any idea how many parents don't step up to the plate? Way too many. Seems some people only have children as a trophy for society or because their friends do, they have no idea what is really involved in being a good parent. It is more than a full-time job. It is never-ending. I don't know percentages, but I do know there are kids that have no respect at all for their parents, teachers, themselves, or anyone else. Yes, I believe in spankings. Not beatings, but spankings. Have you ever been in a store and heard a mother with two small children, calling them everything but a child and threatening them 'when they get home'. Most of the kids that are misbehaving do so because it is the only attention they get from their parents. Even bad attention is better than no attention. How some parents can call their children names that the child shouldn't even be hearing should be illegal and considered child abuse. I work in a public place and I see how many children actually obey their parents until the parent gets angry or something. I have even stopped the unacceptable behavior simply by talking nicely to the child and making them feel like they are important and do matter. Now, that is sad! My fear is it is only getting worse.
Are you going to actually respond to any of my points? Perhaps if I summarize you can absorb them better:

-Schools are places of education, not daycare centers, not replacements for parents.

-The penalties for drug use already outweigh the benefits, and usage continues to skyrocket. It's not working.

-Homosexuality is NOT a pressing social issue. Don't like it? Don't sleep with men.

Also, you made a remark that things that aren't taboo aren't as tempting. You acted like I was stupid when I made the same point pertaining to drug policy. Do you hear yourself talk?

Since: Apr 11

I'm from 'Round Here

#51 Nov 7, 2011
lol wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you going to actually respond to any of my points? Perhaps if I summarize you can absorb them better:
-Schools are places of education, not daycare centers, not replacements for parents.
-The penalties for drug use already outweigh the benefits, and usage continues to skyrocket. It's not working.
-Homosexuality is NOT a pressing social issue. Don't like it? Don't sleep with men.
Also, you made a remark that things that aren't taboo aren't as tempting. You acted like I was stupid when I made the same point pertaining to drug policy. Do you hear yourself talk?
Actually you misinterpreted most of my post. I was agreeing with you on the parental conduct of not disciplining their children.

I know a couple that have been arrested 4 times for manufacturing meth and have yet to spend a day in jail as punishment. The punishment does not outweigh the benefits of making $10 to $12 thousand a month.

I prefer to sleep with men, I am a woman.

You said that drug use would lose the temptation because it would no longer be taboo. I only asked if you thought the same could be said of homosexuality. There are some people that just have to cross the lines in life. Maybe it's the excitement, pushing the limits, I don't know, but or children should not be TAUGHT to question their sexuality. Society today makes kids think they are not normal if they don't question whether they are hetero or homosexual. Try it, you might like it.

I think I did a pretty good job responding, I don't know why it was so difficult for you to see what I was saying. I'll try to be clearer from now on.

“I'm mean because you're dumb.”

Since: Mar 09

Jonesboro, AR

#52 Nov 7, 2011
Just so you will know wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually there is not scientific evidence that people are born gay, only speculation and guesswork. Even if they are attracted to the same sex, they don't have to act on it anymore than I have to act on seeing a good looking man and jumping his bones. The decision to act is there and in all of us one way or the other. We can just say NO. It's really a simple concept when you think about it, but the forbidden has always tempted every human being and will continue to do so until I guess nothing is forbidden anymore.......then what?
Actually, yes, there IS scientific evidence that homosexuality is not a choice. Do yourself a favor and go Google it.

Also, you're expecting all the homosexuals of the world to go their entire lives without any sort of intimate relationship because you can't handle them having their own version of happiness. Do you expect this to be realistic? I'm sure you can refrain from opening your legs to every good-looking male you meet, but could you actually go your entire life without satisfying your needs for intimacy? I know you can't because you prove on this forum daily that you're a selfish being and you place your own needs before everyone else in the country. That's the sort of "Christian" attitude I spit on.
guest

Jonesboro, AR

#53 Nov 7, 2011
Old Biker wrote:
<quoted text>Regardless my a$$. Feb. 29 1892 the U.S. Supreme Court declared that America is legally and organically a Christen nation.
Holy Trinity Church vs. United States of America.
143.U.S. 457,12s.ct. 511,36l.ed.226
As you can see this was well after the Tripoli Treaty.
P.S.
I know history even better than Harley's.
Better keep studying. The case was specific to Pennsylvania Common Law. And later explained by a Supreme Court Justice:

The following quote from the decision has given rise to the misunderstanding that in 1892 the Supreme Court endorsed the idea that the United States is officially in law a "Christian Nation":
These, and many other matters which might be noticed, add a volume of unofficial declarations to the mass of organic utterances that this is a Christian nation. 143 U.S. 457 (1892)

Perhaps realizing how his phrasing could create mischief and misinterpretation, Justice Brewer published a book in 1905 titled The United States: A Christian Nation. In it he wrote:
But in what sense can [the United States] be called a Christian nation? Not in the sense that Christianity is the established religion or the people are compelled in any manner to support it. On the contrary, the Constitution specifically provides that 'congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.' Neither is it Christian in the sense that all its citizens are either in fact or in name Christians. On the contrary, all religions have free scope within its borders. Numbers of our people profess other religions, and many reject all.[...] Nor is it Christian in the sense that a profession of Christianity is a condition of holding office or otherwise engaging in public service, or essential to recognition either politically or socially. In fact, the government as a legal organization is independent of all religions.

Justice Brewer's decision was not, therefore, any attempt to argue that the laws in the United States should enforce Christianity or reflect solely Christian concerns and beliefs. He was simply making an observation which is consistent with the fact that people in this country tend to be Christian.

Since: Apr 11

I'm from 'Round Here

#54 Nov 8, 2011
Maladi wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, yes, there IS scientific evidence that homosexuality is not a choice. Do yourself a favor and go Google it.
Also, you're expecting all the homosexuals of the world to go their entire lives without any sort of intimate relationship because you can't handle them having their own version of happiness. Do you expect this to be realistic? I'm sure you can refrain from opening your legs to every good-looking male you meet, but could you actually go your entire life without satisfying your needs for intimacy? I know you can't because you prove on this forum daily that you're a selfish being and you place your own needs before everyone else in the country. That's the sort of "Christian" attitude I spit on.
I am still rolling on the floor laughing. I am probably the MOST unselfish person you will ever meet. My own needs were put on the back burner most of my life for my husband and children. They always came first and for the most part still do. You don't know anything about me except that I pay my own way and expect others to do the same. Others getting help from the government in no way puts my needs in front of them. I don't stand in line for help, I get up and find a way to help myself, a trait that has been forgotten in this country. You also know nothing about my sex life or lack of it. I don't spread it around if that's what you think and I do have self control. The Bible says it is the Churches that should take care of the poor, not the government but it doesn't say there are any free rides. Oh, and I think I could go my entire life without having sex if it was only going to be with another woman........not a problem, ma'am. I have no problem with helping the elderly or those that cannot help themselves, but I have a big problem with those that CAN help themselves and their only effort is to stick out their hand for someone else to do it for them.

Everyone says separation of Church and State, yet you briny my Christianity into speaking up about people that CHOOSE to let the government take care of them. You can't have it both ways sweetie, either have that separation or don't have it, but you can't switch sides when it fits your situation.

Since: Apr 11

I'm from 'Round Here

#55 Nov 8, 2011
Maladi wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, yes, there IS scientific evidence that homosexuality is not a choice. Do yourself a favor and go Google it.
Also, you're expecting all the homosexuals of the world to go their entire lives without any sort of intimate relationship because you can't handle them having their own version of happiness. Do you expect this to be realistic? I'm sure you can refrain from opening your legs to every good-looking male you meet, but could you actually go your entire life without satisfying your needs for intimacy? I know you can't because you prove on this forum daily that you're a selfish being and you place your own needs before everyone else in the country. That's the sort of "Christian" attitude I spit on.
Actually there is not any evidence other than "well this could be the cause of it". I have done my homework. There are differences in people, period, but there is no genetic research that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt people are born homosexual. There is proof of Down's Syndrome and other genetic abnormalities. If that makes me have a bad Christian attitude, sorry 'bout 'dat, but that's just the way it is. I don't hate homosexuals, but I do think they need help.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#56 Nov 8, 2011
lol wrote:
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What's so terrible about two people who love each other wanting to make a commitment?
A.I.D.S., S.T.D.'S, pedophilia are terrible. There are probably more spin-offs of this type of "bonding". Like when gays get into the genepool by pretending they like girls. Wait a minute! Let's ask the gay guy who pretends to be straight, even to the extent of being married and "just like the neighbor next door. Mr. Sandusky, did you marry your wife knowing you were a gay pedophile? Are you member in good standing of the Washington DC group, NAMBLA? Of course not! I have a charity to benefit the ones I love!
wtf

Jonesboro, AR

#57 Nov 8, 2011
yep wrote:
damned kids seem to be getting borned evil nowdays and they mom and pops egg it on
huh?????
guest

Blytheville, AR

#58 Nov 8, 2011
Amanda two wrote:
<quoted text>Some people just want to talk their B.S. and think everyone will believe it and not question what they say. I have been around this country allot so I know when someone is blowing smoke.
Obviously, you are the one blowing smoke. If you've been to either of those two places for any kind of business, other than a drive thru, you would know of what I speak. I have been told by Blythevilles' finest,'If you have to go into that neighbor hood for a call, wait until the police unit shows up. Don't get out of your vehicle, beeter yet just don't stop at your destination until a police unit shows up and clears the area.' That comes from the police themselves. Been there-done that. In East St.Louis, The residents and non-residents alike, know not to come to a complete stop at any traffic light or stop sign, for fear of being car jacked. This is in a city that has a police force that still drives late 80's or early 90's police cars, because they are too poor to afford anything newer. Been there-seen it. That town has a lot in common with New Orleans and Haiti Heights. If you have to be there on business, and the residents tell you to get out of town before dark for your own safety, then it's pretty bad.

“I'm mean because you're dumb.”

Since: Mar 09

Jonesboro, AR

#59 Nov 8, 2011
Just so you will know wrote:
<quoted text>
I am still rolling on the floor laughing. I am probably the MOST unselfish person you will ever meet. My own needs were put on the back burner most of my life for my husband and children. They always came first and for the most part still do. You don't know anything about me except that I pay my own way and expect others to do the same. Others getting help from the government in no way puts my needs in front of them. I don't stand in line for help, I get up and find a way to help myself, a trait that has been forgotten in this country. You also know nothing about my sex life or lack of it. I don't spread it around if that's what you think and I do have self control. The Bible says it is the Churches that should take care of the poor, not the government but it doesn't say there are any free rides. Oh, and I think I could go my entire life without having sex if it was only going to be with another woman........not a problem, ma'am. I have no problem with helping the elderly or those that cannot help themselves, but I have a big problem with those that CAN help themselves and their only effort is to stick out their hand for someone else to do it for them.
Everyone says separation of Church and State, yet you briny my Christianity into speaking up about people that CHOOSE to let the government take care of them. You can't have it both ways sweetie, either have that separation or don't have it, but you can't switch sides when it fits your situation.
You're the one flaunting your religious belief all over the place, and expecting everyone else in the US to stop what they're doing and take up your lifestyle. I'm also not talking about people mooching off the government when they're fully capable of working for their own living. There are a number of people who actually need the help, who far outnumber the people using the system. Yet you are one of those people arguing to cut out the entire system because of a minority of people who abuse the help.

On top of that, what the hell does your last sentence even mean? Did you even bother to read what I wrote, or were you just being vigilant about assuming my post's content because I haven't been agreeing with you? No wonder you get along so well with Claude.

“I'm mean because you're dumb.”

Since: Mar 09

Jonesboro, AR

#60 Nov 8, 2011
Just so you will know wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually there is not any evidence other than "well this could be the cause of it". I have done my homework. There are differences in people, period, but there is no genetic research that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt people are born homosexual. There is proof of Down's Syndrome and other genetic abnormalities. If that makes me have a bad Christian attitude, sorry 'bout 'dat, but that's just the way it is. I don't hate homosexuals, but I do think they need help.
Oh, I get it. You don't understand the meaning of the word "evidence" from a scientific. Why didn't you just say so?
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Jonesboro, AR

#61 Nov 8, 2011
Does the guy with 4 wives have a genetic disposition to desire more than 1 wife?

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