Valley View School
Guest

College Station, TX

#21 Feb 16, 2010
LavenderLassie wrote:
I apoligize! I misused the word "curriculum." I do understand that the state dictates what is taught. My question should have been (I guess still is.....) why would Valley View be using "new academic programs" that Jonesboro has been using? I just thought it was interesting that VV is now copying the programs from Jonesboro.
What programs has VV copied from Jonesboro? Just curious....
PCS521

Aubrey, TX

#22 Feb 17, 2010
I teach at Westside and I know that Valley View is now doing what is called "reading first" (I have a good friend that is teaching there now)and we have done it for a few years and I think Jonesboro has used that, also. I think it is so funny that THE Valley View is now doing what WE have been doing all along. THEY must think we are doing SOMETHING right!
PCS521

Aubrey, TX

#23 Feb 17, 2010
COPYCATS!*I just couldn't resist!*
Tamtam

Fort Worth, TX

#24 Feb 21, 2010
What can you tell us about that reading program? Do you like it? How do other teachers like it?
Guest

Big Spring, TX

#25 Feb 23, 2010
I can tell you firsthand that the reason the seasoned teachers left is because of the curriculum changes that the state has mandated and NOT because of Pam Clark. She is a compassionate person always willing to help. Don't blame her. Blame our Arkansas State Education Dept. and the legislators who have mandated state testing, even giving the dates on which the tests must be administered.
I'm sure that it was a loss to the district to lose those excellent teachers but let me assure you again that it had nothing to do with Mrs. Clark.
Daisy

Lake Charles, LA

#26 Feb 23, 2010
The program has its positive points, but personally "it bites." I teach it and I don't like it. I don't teach at VV, sorry.
Guest

Dallas, TX

#27 Feb 23, 2010
The state does not mandate "reading first." The Department of Education does not tell teachers HOW to teach, only what to teach.
Teacher

Arlington, TX

#28 Feb 23, 2010
My school is using reading first and I don't really like it. I can't imagine why Valley View would even consider it. It may be useful for children from economically and socially disadvantaged homes (which is why my school uses it) and I think that is what it is designed for, but I don't think it is a good program for most kids. And it is certainly no fun for the teachers.
Daisy

Lake Charles, LA

#29 Feb 23, 2010
Guest wrote:
The state does not mandate "reading first." The Department of Education does not tell teachers HOW to teach, only what to teach.
Oh no, the people from the State Dept. observe schools who are teaching ARF and you are told what to say and how to teach it. There are very strict guidelines if the school receives grant money from the state for the program. That may be why we don't like it - it takes away the personal, teaching style of the teacher.
Guest

College Station, TX

#30 Feb 23, 2010
Mrs. Clark is an asset. She was my 5th grade teacher 17 years ago. I learned a lot from her both about Arkansas history and life. She loves children and is a very talented teacher and administrator! They are lucky to have her. It's a difficult job.
antoher guest

Russellville, AR

#31 Feb 24, 2010
Valley View lost 1 first grade teacher and 3 second grade teachers. They did not leave because of Mrs. Clark but because they said it was not fun to teach anymore. The stress of the new curriculum makes it impossible to have much time for any fun at all. They had experienced teaaching when it was fun and the kids AND teachers loved school. Nobody loves school anymore.
guest

Lakewood, OH

#32 Feb 24, 2010
antoher guest wrote:
Valley View lost 1 first grade teacher and 3 second grade teachers. They did not leave because of Mrs. Clark but because they said it was not fun to teach anymore. The stress of the new curriculum makes it impossible to have much time for any fun at all. They had experienced teaaching when it was fun and the kids AND teachers loved school. Nobody loves school anymore.
Why did they change the curriculum ??
concerned

Russellville, AR

#33 Feb 24, 2010
guest wrote:
<quoted text>Why did they change the curriculum ??
Because the state mandated changes. I was always told that you don't fix things that were not broken so I don't know why the state education dept. decided they needed to spend more time on literature. The scores were already good. The Math scores will drop in the elementary schools when too much time is spent in Literature and not enough in Math. Our legislators need to spend some time in the classrooms and see the stress that teachers AND students have to go through.
intheknow

Bossier City, LA

#34 Feb 24, 2010
I heard it wasn't only the cirriculum. It is also the stupid parents with behavioral problems that produce the stupid kids with behavioral problems. Parents do not take control of their children and expect the teacher to do everything. The tv and babysitter does the parenting. The jonesboro sun has TON of job openings for valley view schools.
omgwtf

United States

#35 Feb 24, 2010
intheknow wrote:
I heard it wasn't only the cirriculum. It is also the stupid parents with behavioral problems that produce the stupid kids with behavioral problems. Parents do not take control of their children and expect the teacher to do everything. The tv and babysitter does the parenting. The jonesboro sun has TON of job openings for valley view schools.
Well hell,,,that's EVERY school
guest

Lakewood, OH

#36 Feb 24, 2010
concerned wrote:
<quoted text>
Because the state mandated changes. I was always told that you don't fix things that were not broken so I don't know why the state education dept. decided they needed to spend more time on literature. The scores were already good. The Math scores will drop in the elementary schools when too much time is spent in Literature and not enough in Math. Our legislators need to spend some time in the classrooms and see the stress that teachers AND students have to go through.
Really? I know several schools that don't use that program
one seasoned teacher

Aubrey, TX

#37 Feb 24, 2010
The State did NOT mandate the changes. The PRINCIPAL mandated the changes and yes, THOSE changes made it no fun to teach any more. But here's the kicker, the changes forced on VV teachers are taken from a program that is designed for schools with low scores in literacy. It is very scripted; therefore, anyone could come in and read from the script. This "new and improved" teacher no longer has to understand students or even understand how to teach, just read from the script. Might as well be a telemarketer.....
Guest

Russellville, AR

#38 Feb 25, 2010
one seasoned teacher wrote:
The State did NOT mandate the changes. The PRINCIPAL mandated the changes and yes, THOSE changes made it no fun to teach any more. But here's the kicker, the changes forced on VV teachers are taken from a program that is designed for schools with low scores in literacy. It is very scripted; therefore, anyone could come in and read from the script. This "new and improved" teacher no longer has to understand students or even understand how to teach, just read from the script. Might as well be a telemarketer.....
You are so right! A robot could do it.
not so much

College Station, TX

#39 Feb 25, 2010
intheknow wrote:
I heard it wasn't only the cirriculum. It is also the stupid parents with behavioral problems that produce the stupid kids with behavioral problems. Parents do not take control of their children and expect the teacher to do everything. The tv and babysitter does the parenting. The jonesboro sun has TON of job openings for valley view schools.
Most of the jobs coming up in the VV district are NEW positions - not because people are fleeing. Valley View is continuing to grow and therefore need more teachers to fill the classrooms. The teachers that left (all but 1) last year had their years in and retired. They were all wonderful teachers, but times do change and things are done differently now than say 15 years ago. It was hard on some of them to accept the changes - and these started happening BEFORE Pam Clark was there.
Guest

Russellville, AR

#40 Feb 25, 2010
not so much wrote:
<quoted text>
Most of the jobs coming up in the VV district are NEW positions - not because people are fleeing. Valley View is continuing to grow and therefore need more teachers to fill the classrooms. The teachers that left (all but 1) last year had their years in and retired. They were all wonderful teachers, but times do change and things are done differently now than say 15 years ago. It was hard on some of them to accept the changes - and these started happening BEFORE Pam Clark was there.
I'm not sure how you think you know when the changes started but I can assure you that the Literacy programs were introduced last year which was the last year for the teachers who retired. Yes, they had their years in but would they have left if things hadn't changed so much? Those teachers had seen many changes through the years but nothing could compare with the stress of these last changes--testing kids all the time. It doesn't leave nearly as much time for teaching.

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