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Reality Check

Little Rock, AR

#13555 Aug 5, 2012
BARNEYII wrote:
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You are clueless as to how the "process" works, and just as clueless as to what the Republicans in the Senate are doing.
Last Thursday, in another attempt to protect corporations and kill American jobs, Republicans blocked a measure to reward companies that brought jobs back to America, and protect their candidate Willard Romney. Republicans in the Senate refused to allow a vote on a bill, The Bring Jobs Home Act, which provided a 20% tax break for costs related to moving jobs back to the United States, at the same time rescinding deductions for companies that moved operations and jobs overseas. The bill was number one on the President’s congressional “to-do list,” but Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell wanted to amend it with an Affordable Care Act repeal and Bush-era ta x cuts for the wealthy extension
I read your post several times and I am having a hard time finding the vote totals from the senate on the bills sitting on Harry Reid's desk and I can't seem to find them. Surly, you would want to answer the challenge so you could show everyone just how much your party wants to create jobs in a fair constitutional manner. I mean diverting away from a topic to another so you don't have to answer would just be dishonest. You wouldn't do that would you? I'll go ahead and tell the rest of the story for you on your diversion though. The 20% is a one time break. If they move back here, they would have to do business under the most business unfriendly environment in the world. What does that mean? It is far more profitable to stay where they are than to move here and pay business taxes that would cost them far more than the savings they got from the 20%. It's a political ploy to make the republicans look bad. The republicans should have passed the bill because no business would have taken "advantage" of the tax break anyway.
SAC Warrior

United States

#13556 Aug 5, 2012
guest wrote:
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Let us all drive Volts, no oil, heavily subsidized,supports Government Motors and if you nwant to go more than thirty miles from home, you should move anyway. And while you're out you can buy a Barney Bulb.
Volts are hybrid not straight electric. The range is the same as a normal car. And its American made,

Since: Dec 10

Kansas City Ks.

#13557 Aug 5, 2012
Reality Check wrote:
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It's simple. A pack of 4 standard bulbs costs about $1.75 (about 0.43 per bulb). ONE twist flourescent cost between $4.50 and as much as $13.00. If the twist bulb goes out before the incandescent (which they do) then the savings of energy costs during the operation of the twist bulb will likely be less than the difference in the cost of the two making the total savings actually more for the incandescent bulb. BTW, the twist bulbs actually are more dangerous because they have a high level of mercury and have been proven to be more harmful to the atmosphere. This was also found by the engineering class in their study. Look, if you are going to make such a strong statement at least do your homework so you don't look any more uninformed and out of touch than you already do.
We consume more mercury eating canned tuna; mercury found in a CFL is about the volume of the
tip of a ballpoint.

http://cambridgeenergyalliance.org/wp-content...

Since: Dec 10

Kansas City Ks.

#13558 Aug 5, 2012
Reality Check wrote:
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I read your post several times and I am having a hard time finding the vote totals from the senate on the bills sitting on Harry Reid's desk and I can't seem to find them. Surly, you would want to answer the challenge so you could show everyone just how much your party wants to create jobs in a fair constitutional manner. I mean diverting away from a topic to another so you don't have to answer would just be dishonest. You wouldn't do that would you? I'll go ahead and tell the rest of the story for you on your diversion though. The 20% is a one time break. If they move back here, they would have to do business under the most business unfriendly environment in the world. What does that mean? It is far more profitable to stay where they are than to move here and pay business taxes that would cost them far more than the savings they got from the 20%. It's a political ploy to make the republicans look bad. The republicans should have passed the bill because no business would have taken "advantage" of the tax break anyway.
Till they come out of committee you will not find a vote, if then, if either party chooses to block the vote( as in the example above with McConnell, or to filibuster a debate, or just move to end debate.


You show me where Reed has tabled any of those bills. When it says, the Senate has taken no action on this bill, that means what it says. It does not say, Harry Reid has not taken any action.

Do you really think Mc Connell would not be on TV screaming every day if REED was to hold up a bill he truly wanted a vote on?
quest

Jonesboro, AR

#13559 Aug 5, 2012
SAC Warrior wrote:
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Volts are hybrid not straight electric. The range is the same as a normal car. And its American made,
The point is Barney wants no emissions so we would only use the electric part, where are the batteries made?
quest

Jonesboro, AR

#13560 Aug 5, 2012
GM finally announced the contract had been awarded to LG chem of Korea using special large format lithium ion cells. The cells will be made in Korea, and shipped to the battery pack assembly plant in Michigan.

Since: Dec 10

Kansas City Ks.

#13561 Aug 5, 2012
quest wrote:
GM finally announced the contract had been awarded to LG chem of Korea using special large format lithium ion cells. The cells will be made in Korea, and shipped to the battery pack assembly plant in Michigan.
shipped to the battery pack assembly plant in Michigan"

Interesting ,the last jobs report from BLS said the auto industry had hired several hundred people. Do you think maybe it was to to work in the "battery pack assembly plant in Michigan" ?



quest

Jonesboro, AR

#13562 Aug 5, 2012
BARNEYII wrote:
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shipped to the battery pack assembly plant in Michigan"
Interesting ,the last jobs report from BLS said the auto industry had hired several hundred people. Do you think maybe it was to to work in the "battery pack assembly plant in Michigan" ?
I doubt it, if they hired several hundred people to build battery packs for Volts, that would work out to about three workers for every Volt sold. You might be right though, that is how much if Obama's incentive plans have worked.
SAC Warrior

United States

#13563 Aug 5, 2012
quest wrote:
<quoted text>The point is Barney wants no emissions so we would only use the electric part, where are the batteries made?
Im just saying ive test drove a Prius and the Volt. And the Volt wins in build quality. And price$50000 was a little pricy. But it did show what Americans can do when they put their mind to it. Personaly I dont care what you drive. I do have a problem when environmental law ment for urban areas is forced on rual areas. yea if you live in LA, maybe there would be less smog. But why should the same law apply to states who dont produce the same problems. See not all democrats are "liberal"
Dad

Little Rock, AR

#13565 Aug 5, 2012
Nice to see the delete thought police are out in force today, something to look forward to if the TP express ever assumes control.

Better delete this one too Arkie or whoever's in charge of this train-wreck nowadays.
quest

Jonesboro, AR

#13566 Aug 5, 2012
Dad wrote:
Nice to see the delete thought police are out in force today, something to look forward to if the TP express ever assumes control.
Better delete this one too Arkie or whoever's in charge of this train-wreck nowadays.
You probably were trying to convey an idea of some sort, any idea what it was?

Since: Dec 10

Kansas City Ks.

#13567 Aug 5, 2012
quest wrote:
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I doubt it, if they hired several hundred people to build battery packs for Volts, that would work out to about three workers for every Volt sold. You might be right though, that is how much if Obama's incentive plans have worked.
Don't keep up with things much, do you?

For the first seven months, GM has sold 10,666 Volts, up 270 percent over the same period last year.

From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120801/A...
quest

Jonesboro, AR

#13568 Aug 5, 2012
BARNEYII wrote:
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Don't keep up with things much, do you?
For the first seven months, GM has sold 10,666 Volts, up 270 percent over the same period last year.
From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120801/A...
And that created several hundred jobs assembling batteries built from foreign components at what cost to us taxpayers. I keep up, but a bad investment is a bad investment. Take away the governmental purchases and tax incentives and no one would buy one.
quest

Jonesboro, AR

#13569 Aug 5, 2012
The Journal’s “Is Chevy’s Cruze Dulling the Spark of its Volt?” runs the numbers on the Volt and the similarly sized Chevy Cruze. 

The Volts sells for some $20,000 more than the Cruze. According to EPA estimates (which has the Volt running on gas for part of its usage), the Volt consumes $1,508 gallons per year, while the Cruze burns $1.779. If the Volt is used only for short distance travel, its electricity costs $648 per year.

Thus a typical driver who mixes long distance and city driving would need more than sixty years to earn back the fuel saving. A Volt owner who drives only short distances in the city would require twenty years.

Even if our gas prices rose to European levels, it still would not make economic sense to buy the Volt.

And does anyone wonder why GM sold only 603 Volts in January? Another loss for Obama’s industrial policy.

http://paulgregorysblog.blogspot.com/2012/02/...
Reality Check

Little Rock, AR

#13570 Aug 5, 2012
BARNEYII wrote:
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We consume more mercury eating canned tuna; mercury found in a CFL is about the volume of the
tip of a ballpoint.
http://cambridgeenergyalliance.org/wp-content...
I'm sure that figured heavily into the decision of how much mercury to put into twist flourescent bulbs. I guess since there may be less mercury in twist bulbs, that makes the mercury in bulbs not harmful at all because it's for the greater good. I happen to agree that the mercury levels in twist bulbs isn't enough to make even the slightest difference. I also think that incandescent bulbs are even less harmful to the environment, energy grid, or the pocket books of consumers. You just made an argument against yourself with that tuna analogy. What will you divert this conversation to this time?

Since: Dec 10

Kansas City Ks.

#13571 Aug 5, 2012
Reality Check wrote:
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I'm sure that figured heavily into the decision of how much mercury to put into twist flourescent bulbs. I guess since there may be less mercury in twist bulbs, that makes the mercury in bulbs not harmful at all because it's for the greater good. I happen to agree that the mercury levels in twist bulbs isn't enough to make even the slightest difference. I also think that incandescent bulbs are even less harmful to the environment, energy grid, or the pocket books of consumers. You just made an argument against yourself with that tuna analogy. What will you divert this conversation to this time?
"BTW, the twist bulbs actually are more dangerous because they have a high level of mercury" post #13542

"I happen to agree that the mercury levels in twist bulbs isn't enough to make even the slightest difference"

Do you really know what you think?
Reality Check

Little Rock, AR

#13572 Aug 5, 2012
BARNEYII wrote:
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Till they come out of committee you will not find a vote, if then, if either party chooses to block the vote( as in the example above with McConnell, or to filibuster a debate, or just move to end debate.
You show me where Reed has tabled any of those bills. When it says, the Senate has taken no action on this bill, that means what it says. It does not say, Harry Reid has not taken any action.
Do you really think Mc Connell would not be on TV screaming every day if REED was to hold up a bill he truly wanted a vote on?
What do you think the phrase "senate has taken no action to date" means? If you will look into the bills that have passed you should notice that some were introduced in the house this year and rushed right through within a month or two. Yet some of these bills were introduced early in 2011 such as the The America Invents Act HR 1249 yet they sit with no action. Hmmm, how could that happen? Shouldn't the Senate deal with the bills as they get them? I'm sure there is some perfectly rational reason, I just can't think of it. Would you help me?

Since: Dec 10

Kansas City Ks.

#13573 Aug 5, 2012
quest wrote:
The Journal’s “Is Chevy’s Cruze Dulling the Spark of its Volt?” runs the numbers on the Volt and the similarly sized Chevy Cruze. 
The Volts sells for some $20,000 more than the Cruze. According to EPA estimates (which has the Volt running on gas for part of its usage), the Volt consumes $1,508 gallons per year, while the Cruze burns $1.779. If the Volt is used only for short distance travel, its electricity costs $648 per year.
Thus a typical driver who mixes long distance and city driving would need more than sixty years to earn back the fuel saving. A Volt owner who drives only short distances in the city would require twenty years.
Even if our gas prices rose to European levels, it still would not make economic sense to buy the Volt.
And does anyone wonder why GM sold only 603 Volts in January? Another loss for Obama’s industrial policy.
http://paulgregorysblog.blogspot.com/2012/02/...
The Chevrolet Volt and its kissing cousin, the Opel Ampera, are Europe’s “Car of the Year,” beating compacts from Volkswagen and Ford to add another award to the car’s trophy shelf.

The award, announced today ahead of the Geneva auto show.
quest

Jonesboro, AR

#13574 Aug 5, 2012
Reality Check wrote:
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What do you think the phrase "senate has taken no action to date" means? If you will look into the bills that have passed you should notice that some were introduced in the house this year and rushed right through within a month or two. Yet some of these bills were introduced early in 2011 such as the The America Invents Act HR 1249 yet they sit with no action. Hmmm, how could that happen? Shouldn't the Senate deal with the bills as they get them? I'm sure there is some perfectly rational reason, I just can't think of it. Would you help me?
As a non biased observer, I think he will think of a reason, maybe several and he might even throw in an excuse or two.
quest

Jonesboro, AR

#13576 Aug 5, 2012
BARNEYII wrote:
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The Chevrolet Volt and its kissing cousin, the Opel Ampera, are Europe’s “Car of the Year,” beating compacts from Volkswagen and Ford to add another award to the car’s trophy shelf.
The award, announced today ahead of the Geneva auto show.
And you have shown through your posts that you would fit in very well with the French and Greeks, you seem to admire their ways much more than the traditional American values. I have been to both countries and would be glad to write you a letter of recommendation if you were to choose to change nationalities.

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