Dog Chain Ordinance?
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Since: Aug 08

Arkansas

#1 Aug 20, 2008
Donít we have bigger issues to address than whether someone tethers their dog? It seems Wannda Turner and her animal group want to control how people enjoy their pets, even pushing for a minimum size dog pen. Listen Wannda, stop wasting the time of our paid city officials and keep your nose out of other peopleís business. If you donít want YOUR dog on a chain, then build him a fence. Let others obey the city leash law in the way they deem best.
dog owner

Nashville, AR

#2 Aug 20, 2008
I understand the Humane Society's stance-dogs who are chained 100% of the time do get angry. Any animal would, including humans. However, it seems this would be a nightmare ordinance to enforce. How many hours can an animal be chained, what length of chain...etc. Who would actually go to the home and evaluate each situation? Who measures the chain? What Jonesboro dept. has the manpower? According to the police they are already too busy busting white high school kids driving up and down Southwest Drive. Looks like a money making scheme for the Humane Society?
dazed

Richmond, VA

#3 Aug 20, 2008
I agree with the ordinance. I think that it makes them a higher threat to society if they are to get loose. If people don't have the option to just throw their dogs outside on a chain, only responsible people would buy or adopt dogs and it would cut down on alot of issues around. A leash law is alot different than just throwing your dog on a chain. It is more focused for when you walk your dog or take your dog to the park ect... I believe this is a very big issue, that does deserve some attention. Just like the dogs that are thrown out on a chain. They never get the attention they deserve or walked on a leash because of their owners. Why get a dog that you can't take care of all of it's needs. Ban the chains on dogs and resolve some issues. Maybe some breeds won't continue the bad rap that is posed upon them. And I have to say what kind of sick person enjoys the dog on a chain. Who likes looking at a animal that is stuck in a small area that you only go out to feed and water. They need lots of love and attention or else they won't be friendly at all. Leash law and Chains are different big time.
dog owner

Nashville, AR

#4 Aug 20, 2008
Points well taken dazed. But again, how would you wisely use our tax dollars to enforce this regulation? Are you willing to pay more for this? Are we just talking about pets or are we talking about guard dogs also? IMO two different circumstances.
Thoughtful dog lover

Paragould, AR

#5 Aug 20, 2008
dog owner wrote:
Points well taken dazed. But again, how would you wisely use our tax dollars to enforce this regulation? Are you willing to pay more for this? Are we just talking about pets or are we talking about guard dogs also? IMO two different circumstances.
I agree that sufficient enforcement (meaning sufficient to the purpose of the ordinance) would be impossible. There are far more important tasks for the police officers to handle. It seems to me that this ordinance was written in the "heat of the moment" as the result of dog attacks publicity. Dog attacks are truly horrendous, yes, and in my estimation, "mean" dogs should always be put down. I do not, however, believe that an ordinance requiring the chaining of dogs is the answer to any problem. There are some people who will find a way to tether/closely contain an animal regardless of what the law is, and the only folks who will suffer from such an ordinance is those who chain their pets short-term for a "potty break."
dazed

Richmond, VA

#6 Aug 20, 2008
I believe we are talking about all dogs, guard dogs are pets. Your guard dog should be one of the family too, they deserve no less of the love you would give any other pet. They both fall under the category of pets no matter what their purpose in your life. No dog should be chained. Then we get the "mean" dogs, and why wait till we make them mean and they attack someone when we can prevent them from being mean by getting rid of chaining them. No chains = less idiots owning them = less abuse or neglect = less attacks. And it wouldn't be someone running around looking for chained animals. It would be the same as it is with any stray dog running around. We have "Animal Control" people please come on! They already get paid to deal with these situations on a hourly basis. Why not let do their jobs. We can report the chained dog and let them handle it. It would probably be a fine or a warning to correct the situation and they can go from there. The owner will have to be responsible for the dog. Just like if their dog got off the chain. Why wait for it to get off the chain when we can prevent the whole situation. And for the potty breaks, people need to quit being so lazy and walk them if that's the case. That might help on our obesity problems. If you can't take 100% care of your dog without having to chain it you shouldn't have one. You should see someone before buying or adopting and see what it will consist of to take care of it fully not just half ass, and make your decision. If you can't take care of the one you have, then put it up for adoption. Dogs need love to, if you can't give it to them, let someone who can give it to them, don't make them a bad dog.
dog owner

Nashville, AR

#7 Aug 20, 2008
A guard dog trained to eat you if you enter into a yard or business is the same as Ol' Yeller who sits on the front porch and licks you? If you have this law, the Animal Control people will need more money because their expenses (gas for one) will go up, again, are you willing for your taxes (probably property taxes) to go up to pay for this? I am not. And, if I can't take care of my dog 100% of the time without a chain, you want them to take Spotty away from me? Then they have to spend money taking care of and feeding the added dogs.
dazed

Richmond, VA

#8 Aug 20, 2008
Yes they both need love and attention. The guard dog should be licking you as well, just not strangers, and Ol' Yeller prob doesn't like too many strangers just walking onto their property either. As for the gas issues, that is where the fines that people receive can justify, and that would be more than enough to cover gas increase. I don't believe they should raise our taxes for this but I do believe that something should be done. And there are ways of doing this, why does everyone assume that they will raise our taxes. There are adoption prgrams that you instead of sending your "Spotty" to our tax payer facility, be some what responsible for "Spotty" and find him a good home on your own or thru an adoption service.

Since: Aug 08

Arkansas

#9 Aug 20, 2008
Let me make a few points.

#1, putting a dog on a chain doesnít always result in making it mean. Some of you have made statements that would include every dog, which simply isnít true.

#2, putting a dog on a chain has yet to be proven as animal cruelty. We already have animal cruelty laws on the books. Thereís no need to make a dog chain illegal just because some people donít like it. If you donít want YOUR dog on a chain, donít chain him up. What I do with MY dog short of animal cruelty is none of your business (nor the city of Jonesboroís for that matter).

#3, this statement is utter nonsense:ďNo chains = less idiots owning them = less abuse or neglect = less attacks.Ē That logic would also let us claim that ďNo steaks = less gluttons eating them = less obese people with medical problems = less costs for publicly provided medical care.Ē Um, yeah, we should outlaw steaks. PUHLEEZ

#4, as stated by others, this law would be impossible to enforce, unless the ban was total. No dog on any chain at any time. I think that is utter nonsense.

I own a small housedog that weighs 5 lbs. The vast majority of the time when he is outside Iím right there with him. But, for the 5% of the time that I need to do something else, I put him on a 50-foot chain for maybe an hour tops. Itís silly to tell me Iím abusing my dog. Get a life people, and keep your nose out of my business.
Nana

Jonesboro, AR

#10 Aug 20, 2008
I agree 100% with dazed. Maybe if they would get rid of the chains people would quit leaving their dogs out in the heat or cold with no food or water. How would you like to be chained out in the 100 plus degree weather in the sun or in the freezing rain with no protection? If you cant take care of a animal you dont need one and that includes a fenced area for them, not a chain.
business owner

Nashville, AR

#11 Aug 21, 2008
Nana, I disagree with your post. Your statement seems to indicate that all dog owners that chain their dogs leave them out in all kinds of weather or without food or water-just not true. I personally don't think anyone should have a pet that is not going to take care of it but a dog chain ordinance is not the answer. It is just another ordinance that cannot be enforced. Many people rent houses without fences-do they have to build one at their own expense? I'm more worried about PEOPLE who are homeless in the heat or rain.
Good Dog Owner

Lake Charles, LA

#12 Aug 27, 2008
First off, I was at the meeting when Wanda Turner unveiled her proposal and to some extent I have to agree because I have seen the dogs on chains that are neglected, but I toally disagree with her proposal as a whole. It not only includes chaining of dogs, it includes run lines/trolley systems and has provisions that every dog, in Jonesboro, over six months old be spayed/neutered. That last tidbit means EVERY dog. My dog is on a run line that is 75' long and is on a 20' lead off the main line. That adds up to 1,600 total square foot of space to run and play. The apprved sq.footage of a pen in the ordinance has to be a minimum of 150 sq.ft. You tell me which is better. The ordinance, as proposed completely bans ANY chaining, not for 24 minutes or 24 hours. My dog gets fresh food and water daily, he comes in the house if it is too hot or cold,he has a large house and plenty of shade and last but not least he goes to the vet if he hiccups wrong. I spoke with Miss Turner after the meeting and she had the nerve to tell me that this ordinance would never effect me because I was not the type of owner who she wanted to stop, but if this ordinance is passed then I will be effected and so will many other good pet owners. I urge every dog owner in Jonesboro to call the Mayor and City Council and voice you concerns over this proposal. Also if you read this and think that it doesn't effect me because I own cat(s), she told me point blank that cats and their owners are next.

Since: Dec 07

United States

#13 Aug 27, 2008
1)I rent my home and I am not going to build a fence to keep my dogs in.
2) My dogs are inside dogs and we play outside several times a day on a daily basis however, one of my dogs likes to just lie in the yard and watch the bugs fly by. She is put on a lead so she doesn't start chasing one and lose track of where she is or runs to close to the road. She always has water when she is outside and my door is open so I can see her and she will bark when she is ready to come in and I let her back in. That does not make me a bad pet owner!! I will not be told that I can no longer do that! 3) the part about EVERY dog having to be spayed/neutered is also BS, both of my dogs are spayed however if I had chosen to not do that and breed them instead then that is MY RIGHT and the idiots that are running the city of Jonesboro are not going to tell me otherwise.
Good Dog Owner

Lake Charles, LA

#14 Aug 27, 2008
Justified1, I would suggest that you stay up on the progress of this proposal, because I have a copy and it is what I stated above. Also what you described above will be illegal and if you have a crabby neighbor who wants to mess with you, all they have to do is call Animal Control and poof you atleast get a warning, if not a citation.

Since: Dec 07

United States

#15 Aug 27, 2008
OK, so who is it that we need to start bombarding with e-mails, letters, phone calls whatever to make sure that this idiotic thing doesn't pass?
Good Dog Owner

Lake Charles, LA

#16 Aug 27, 2008
The Mayor and all of the current City Council members. This will be back up in front of the City Council's Public Safety committee in Sept. Call the city clerk's office and find out the exact date. You should also be able to get all of the council's info. from Jonesboro.org , if not request it from the city clerk. Also tell all of your friends. Letters to the editor in the Sun would help to get the word out, as this thing seems to bring through in a relatively "below the radar" fashion.

Since: Aug 08

Aubrey, TX

#17 Aug 28, 2008
There's a fellow who lives on the north side of town who had a Shepherd mix female. I saw her three years ago, and she was fairly pitiful then. His fence was crappy and the dog got out when she was a puppy. So, instead of fixing the fence he put her on a chain. Neighbors report never having seen the dog off of the chain after that except when the chain eventually rusted, broke, and she came to their house for food and water. The dog was bred by any random stray male when she came into season, as she was chained and could not escape them. You see, the crappy fence did not keep dogs out, either. So, she had many litters, and still never got off the chain. Through nursing and weaning, good weather or bad, heat or snow, never got off the chain. Her puppies could roam but she couldnt.

Then, this proud dog owners' house burned and he moved out. He left the dog though. Of course, he left her on the chain. He came back, but not every day, to give her some food and maybe add water to her nasty bowl before he left. Finally he started to rebuild his house, but still didn't come every day. The neighbors fed her when they hadn't seen the guy in a while. The dog died. The neighbors found her withered, scrawny, shaggy body ... still on the chain. She was never a pet, just a prisoner. The guy hauled her body off before the cops could get there. Supposedly he buried her. I doubt that a guy like that would dig a hole in hard dry ground in this heat "just for a dog". What do you think ?

I have no compassion for anyone who would rather keep a dog on a chain than build a fence. If you can't build a fence then give the dog to someone who can. People who keep their dogs on chains should be neutered or spayed, if not humanely euthanized.

You don't have to be a serial killer to have a history of torturing animals. All you need is a dog and a chain and you're right up there with the best of them.

Since: Aug 08

Aubrey, TX

#18 Aug 28, 2008
America 1st wrote:
Let me make a few points.
#1, putting a dog on a chain doesnít always result in making it mean. Some of you have made statements that would include every dog, which simply isnít true.
#2, putting a dog on a chain has yet to be proven as animal cruelty. We already have animal cruelty laws on the books. Thereís no need to make a dog chain illegal just because some people donít like it. If you donít want YOUR dog on a chain, donít chain him up. What I do with MY dog short of animal cruelty is none of your business (nor the city of Jonesboroís for that matter).
#3, this statement is utter nonsense:ďNo chains = less idiots owning them = less abuse or neglect = less attacks.Ē That logic would also let us claim that ďNo steaks = less gluttons eating them = less obese people with medical problems = less costs for publicly provided medical care.Ē Um, yeah, we should outlaw steaks. PUHLEEZ
#4, as stated by others, this law would be impossible to enforce, unless the ban was total. No dog on any chain at any time. I think that is utter nonsense.
I own a small housedog that weighs 5 lbs. The vast majority of the time when he is outside Iím right there with him. But, for the 5% of the time that I need to do something else, I put him on a 50-foot chain for maybe an hour tops. Itís silly to tell me Iím abusing my dog. Get a life people, and keep your nose out of my business.
You're obviously not the guy this ordinance is intended to regulate. Any one of us who support this ordinance, including Wannda Turner, would agree that the occasional use of a chain is not neccessarily unreasonable or cruel, under the right circumstances. Beats getting runover. You undoubtedly care for your dog, and a house-dog probably considers being on a chain in the yard the highlight of its day. Not all chained dogs are so lucky. You really need examples ? Surely you've seen them with your own eyes ... bulldogs chained just out of reach from the sidewalk where kids can torment them from a safe distance ... I've seen that quite often.

Since: Aug 08

Aubrey, TX

#19 Aug 28, 2008
business owner wrote:
Nana, I disagree with your post. Your statement seems to indicate that all dog owners that chain their dogs leave them out in all kinds of weather or without food or water-just not true. I personally don't think anyone should have a pet that is not going to take care of it but a dog chain ordinance is not the answer. It is just another ordinance that cannot be enforced. Many people rent houses without fences-do they have to build one at their own expense? I'm more worried about PEOPLE who are homeless in the heat or rain.
You can't blame a landlord for not building a fence. If you rent, and want a dog, rent a house with a fence. Or at least buy a portable dog run and a dog house that you can take with you from house to house. If you can't afford that, you probably can't afford to give the dog its shots and heartworm medicine either. If you can't afford all of that then, well ... do you really feel good about keeping an animal at all ? Wait 'til you can afford to do it right.

Since: Aug 08

Aubrey, TX

#20 Aug 28, 2008
Good Dog Owner wrote:
First off, I was at the meeting when Wanda Turner unveiled her proposal and to some extent I have to agree because I have seen the dogs on chains that are neglected, but I toally disagree with her proposal as a whole. It not only includes chaining of dogs, it includes run lines/trolley systems and has provisions that every dog, in Jonesboro, over six months old be spayed/neutered. That last tidbit means EVERY dog. My dog is on a run line that is 75' long and is on a 20' lead off the main line. That adds up to 1,600 total square foot of space to run and play. The apprved sq.footage of a pen in the ordinance has to be a minimum of 150 sq.ft. You tell me which is better. The ordinance, as proposed completely bans ANY chaining, not for 24 minutes or 24 hours. My dog gets fresh food and water daily, he comes in the house if it is too hot or cold,he has a large house and plenty of shade and last but not least he goes to the vet if he hiccups wrong. I spoke with Miss Turner after the meeting and she had the nerve to tell me that this ordinance would never effect me because I was not the type of owner who she wanted to stop, but if this ordinance is passed then I will be effected and so will many other good pet owners. I urge every dog owner in Jonesboro to call the Mayor and City Council and voice you concerns over this proposal. Also if you read this and think that it doesn't effect me because I own cat(s), she told me point blank that cats and their owners are next.
It sounds like you treat your dog better than most, and the ordinance will probably be revised many times over before, if ever, it is passed. But there's a huge difference between what you are doing and what so many others do when they maintain dogs on a chain. I don't know what your circumstances are, but I bet that if possible, you would prefer to have a fence than to chain your dog. It's usually a matter of economics favoring the chain. Do you bring your dog in every night ?

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