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Guest

Jonesboro, AR

#1 Oct 14, 2010
What exactly is being taught at our public schools about religion &/or god? I thought "religion" got banned from public schools well over a decade ago?
Heathen

Paragould, AR

#2 Oct 14, 2010
There are plenty of teachers that bring religion into the classrooms despite the fact they aren't suppose to.

One example is at GCT in Paragould.

My sister goes there, and her health teacher is constantly preaching in class. Talking more about God then about what they are suppose to be learning.

We're an atheist family, and it makes my sister very uncomfortable to be singled out in class because she refuses to participate.

Truthfully, I'm about ready to say something about it myself. They tormented me while I was there, and I couldn't speak up.
Now I can.

Banned or not, they're still doing it.
no religion in school

Jonesboro, AR

#3 Oct 14, 2010
You can teach religion if from an educational standpoint. For instance, teaching the Bible as literature in an English class; learning about the history of a religion in a history class; or singing religious songs in choir because of their historical or cultural merit.

Praying is allowed in schools if a student prays to themselves on their own accord. Organized prayers in schools, however, are NOT allowed.

I agree with you--preaching doesn't belong in the public school.
parent

Blytheville, AR

#4 Oct 14, 2010
If schools are going to 'teach' anything about religion it should be tolerance. However, in this area that just isn't going to happen.
Just Think

Jonesboro, AR

#5 Oct 15, 2010
Religion has absolutely no business in our schools, unless it pertains to history, or literature, therein. As already stated by 'no religion in school'. There should be no subject taught in our schools that cannot be supported due to lack of facts, proof and/or evidence. Religion obviously falls into that category. Children attend school to learn truth. There should never be a teacher that attempts to cloud their judgment with ideas that can't be proven.

'Heathen', if I were in your shoes - I'd, without a doubt, say something. The school board should be made aware that this teacher is veering from the curriculum. Your sister should never feel uncomfortable being Atheist. If anything, she should feel proud of the fact that she's able to think freely over that of many of her peers, and obviously that of her teacher.

We had a similar situation in our household regarding evolution vs. creationism in my child's Science class. There was an attempt by a few of my child's peers to make her feel like a fool for expressing her opinion in favor of evolution. But, that in no way stopped her from standing up and voicing her opinion on the subject. The fact of the matter is, in this instance, is that there is more evidence that supports evolution than that of a God creating man. Which is obviously why this is part of the Science curriculum in our schools, because it's based on the evidence that supports it.

However, I understand it's a different matter entirely when it's a student vs. a teacher. Please help her. Our children, your sister, deserve advocates with minds wide awake that will stand up for them when they're too frightened, too uncomfortable or unable to do so themselves.

'Parent', I agree completely, and have witnessed more children and young adults who are Atheists and Agnostics that are more patient and more tolerant with others than that of their faith-holding peers. It should be the same for everyone regardless of religious background. Tolerance and Respect isn't necessarily something that can be 'taught', but when others are doing so, it's easy to learn by example. We, as parents, are that example, as are teachers. When our teachers fall out of line of that example, they should be punished.

"Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people."
guest

Benton, AR

#6 Oct 15, 2010
Just Think wrote:
There should be no subject taught in our schools that cannot be supported due to lack of facts, proof and/or evidence...We had a similar situation in our household regarding evolution vs. creationism in my child's Science class.
You've expressed contradictory ideas here, on the one hand holding that nothing should be taught without facts, proof or evidence, yet on the other hand supporting the teaching of evolution.

I point out to you that evolution has never been more than a theory and that of all the archeological evidence discovered (including the fossil record) there is not one shred of proof that one species ever evolved into another.

It appears that you support the teaching of your religion of secular humanism even though it has zero evidence for support, yet you oppose the teaching of theism, of which evidence abounds.
guest

Benton, AR

#7 Oct 15, 2010
parent wrote:
If schools are going to 'teach' anything about religion it should be tolerance. However, in this area that just isn't going to happen.
It seems the only religion not tolerated in schools is Christianity.
Guest

Jonesboro, AR

#8 Oct 15, 2010
My family feels this sort of thing has no business of any kind in public schools regardless of " religion" preference. This should be left to the parents &/ or churches if one chooses to attend such. Pushing ones personal beliefs is one thing when it's another adult, but it's unacceptable when it's someone elses child.
David

United States

#9 Oct 15, 2010
That is what is wrong with world today. Let something happen and you say "why GOD". You people want to take GOD out of evevrything, then when something happens you want to know why. As for me and my family, we will believe in the Lord.
guest

Jonesboro, AR

#10 Oct 15, 2010
David wrote:
That is what is wrong with world today. Let something happen and you say "why GOD". You people want to take GOD out of evevrything, then when something happens you want to know why. As for me and my family, we will believe in the Lord.
Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day; teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime; give a man religion and he will die praying for a fish.
Guest

Jonesboro, AR

#11 Oct 15, 2010
guest wrote:
<quoted text>
Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day; teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime; give a man religion and he will die praying for a fish.
Well this is one I've never heard before but I do love it! Really fits my thoughts on the issue at hand.

Needless to say religion or lack thereof is a very personal matter. That no one else has a right to " school " children on other than their parents or the churches that a parent might entrust with such an issue.
Just Think

Jonesboro, AR

#12 Oct 15, 2010
guest wrote:
<quoted text>
You've expressed contradictory ideas here, on the one hand holding that nothing should be taught without facts, proof or evidence, yet on the other hand supporting the teaching of evolution.
I point out to you that evolution has never been more than a theory and that of all the archeological evidence discovered (including the fossil record) there is not one shred of proof that one species ever evolved into another.
It appears that you support the teaching of your religion of secular humanism even though it has zero evidence for support, yet you oppose the teaching of theism, of which evidence abounds.
Please allow me to clarify why what I previously expressed isn't contradictory in nature - But first, please note that stating that secular humanism is a religion is contradictory in terms, in and of itself. "Secular Humanism is a secular philosophy that espouses reason, ethics, and the search for human fulfillment, and specifically rejects supernatural and religious dogma as the basis of morality and decision-making." Metaphorically speaking, classifying Secular Humanism as a religion, would be the same as stating that bald is a hair-color.

And yes, you're correct, theism, itself, exists. Yet, proof of any one deity relating to said theism does not.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm not certain whether you understand what a theory is. More specifically, a scientific theory - According to the American Association for the Advancement of Science; "A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment. Such fact-supported theories are not "guesses" but reliable accounts of the real world. The theory of biological evolution is more than "just a theory." It is as factual an explanation of the universe as the atomic theory of matter or the germ theory of disease. Our understanding of gravity is still a work in progress. But the phenomenon of gravity, like evolution, is an accepted fact"

Biological evolution is genetic change in a population from one generation to another. Evolution can occur in two different patterns--adaptive radiation into multiple species results in cladogenesis and successive speciation within a single evolutionary line results in anagenesis.

Adaptive radiation is the progressive diversification of a species into two or more species as groups adapt to different environments. Natural selection is usually the principle mechanism driving adaptive radiation. The initial step is the separation of a species into distinct breeding populations. This usually happens as a result of geographic or social isolation. Over time, the gene pools of the isolated populations diverge from each other by gradually acquiring different mutations and sometimes as a result of random genetic drift. When the populations are in dissimilar environments, environmental stresses are often not the same. As a result, nature selects for different traits existing within the gene pools of the populations. Over time, the populations genetically diverge enough so that they can no longer reproduce with each other. At this point, they have become separate species and usually continue to diverge in subsequent generations. In intermediate stages, the two newly or about to be separated species may be able to interbreed and produce children, but most of them are likely to be sterile. This is the case with the offspring of female horses and male donkeys--i.e., mules. Eventually, however, species genetically diverge so much that they are unable to produce any children. This is the case with sheep and cattle.
Just Think

Jonesboro, AR

#13 Oct 15, 2010
Continued -

The evolution of species by successive speciation occurs within a single evolutionary line without the branching of adaptive radiation. This takes place when the members of a species consist of a single breeding population for many generations. Descendant generations experience continuous spontaneous mutations and new directions of natural selection as the environment changes. This results in progressive changes in the gene pool frequencies of the population. At any one time, all members of the population are the same species. However, as generations subsequently replace each other, the gene pool is transformed--i.e., it evolves. Eventually, the changes are great enough that if descendants could go back in time to mate with their distant ancestors, the genetic differences would prevent them from producing fertile offspring. In other words, they would be different species.

Thank you for taking the time to read this. If you're interested in more information, I'd be more than happy to cite a few sources.
Just Think

Jonesboro, AR

#14 Oct 15, 2010
It appears part 1 didn't post, here's a repost:
guest wrote:
<quoted text>
You've expressed contradictory ideas here, on the one hand holding that nothing should be taught without facts, proof or evidence, yet on the other hand supporting the teaching of evolution.
I point out to you that evolution has never been more than a theory and that of all the archeological evidence discovered (including the fossil record) there is not one shred of proof that one species ever evolved into another.
It appears that you support the teaching of your religion of secular humanism even though it has zero evidence for support, yet you oppose the teaching of theism, of which evidence abounds.
Please allow me to clarify why what I previously expressed isn't contradictory in nature - But first, please note that stating that secular humanism is a religion is contradictory in terms, in and of itself. "Secular Humanism is a secular philosophy that espouses reason, ethics, and the search for human fulfillment, and specifically rejects supernatural and religious dogma as the basis of morality and decision-making." Metaphorically speaking, classifying Secular Humanism as a religion, would be the same as stating that bald is a hair-color.

And yes, you're correct, theism, itself, exists. Yet, proof of any one deity relating to said theism does not.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm not certain whether you understand what a theory is. More specifically, a scientific theory - According to the American Association for the Advancement of Science; "A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment. Such fact-supported theories are not "guesses" but reliable accounts of the real world. The theory of biological evolution is more than "just a theory." It is as factual an explanation of the universe as the atomic theory of matter or the germ theory of disease. Our understanding of gravity is still a work in progress. But the phenomenon of gravity, like evolution, is an accepted fact"

Biological evolution is genetic change in a population from one generation to another. Evolution can occur in two different patterns--adaptive radiation into multiple species results in cladogenesis and successive speciation within a single evolutionary line results in anagenesis.

Adaptive radiation is the progressive diversification of a species into two or more species as groups adapt to different environments. Natural selection is usually the principle mechanism driving adaptive radiation. The initial step is the separation of a species into distinct breeding populations. This usually happens as a result of geographic or social isolation. Over time, the gene pools of the isolated populations diverge from each other by gradually acquiring different mutations and sometimes as a result of random genetic drift. When the populations are in dissimilar environments, environmental stresses are often not the same. As a result, nature selects for different traits existing within the gene pools of the populations. Over time, the populations genetically diverge enough so that they can no longer reproduce with each other. At this point, they have become separate species and usually continue to diverge in subsequent generations. In intermediate stages, the two newly or about to be separated species may be able to interbreed and produce children, but most of them are likely to be sterile. This is the case with the offspring of female horses and male donkeys--i.e., mules. Eventually, however, species genetically diverge so much that they are unable to produce any children. This is the case with sheep and cattle.
Just Think

Jonesboro, AR

#15 Oct 15, 2010
My apologies - Please disregard the re-post. User error on my part. :)
guest

Jonesboro, AR

#16 Oct 15, 2010
Guest wrote:
<quoted text>
Well this is one I've never heard before but I do love it! Really fits my thoughts on the issue at hand.
Needless to say religion or lack thereof is a very personal matter. That no one else has a right to " school " children on other than their parents or the churches that a parent might entrust with such an issue.
It's nice to know I'm not in this boat alone.
umok

United States

#17 Oct 15, 2010
When you people ask for that touch of water on your tonue, GOD will say say, depart from me, I never knew you.

Since: Dec 09

State University, AR

#18 Oct 15, 2010
parent wrote:
If schools are going to 'teach' anything about religion it should be tolerance. However, in this area that just isn't going to happen.
Agreed, but I think you're selling the folks around here short on their ability to be tolerant. Remember, we're always hardest on ourselves and our neighbors.

Since: Dec 09

State University, AR

#19 Oct 15, 2010
no religion in school wrote:
You can teach religion if from an educational standpoint. For instance, teaching the Bible as literature in an English class; learning about the history of a religion in a history class; or singing religious songs in choir because of their historical or cultural merit.
Praying is allowed in schools if a student prays to themselves on their own accord. Organized prayers in schools, however, are NOT allowed.
I agree with you--preaching doesn't belong in the public school.
Yes, this happens in any World Civilization class. Religion is, of course, a significant factor in history.

Since: Dec 09

State University, AR

#20 Oct 15, 2010
Heathen wrote:
There are plenty of teachers that bring religion into the classrooms despite the fact they aren't suppose to.
One example is at GCT in Paragould.
My sister goes there, and her health teacher is constantly preaching in class. Talking more about God then about what they are suppose to be learning.
We're an atheist family, and it makes my sister very uncomfortable to be singled out in class because she refuses to participate.
Truthfully, I'm about ready to say something about it myself. They tormented me while I was there, and I couldn't speak up.
Now I can.
Banned or not, they're still doing it.
Yes, I agree that proselytizing in the classroom is inappropriate on the teacher's part. I remember a substitute teacher once at GCT almost become unhinged in our biology class because natural selection was mentioned briefly. What year did you graduate?

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