Farmers Have Drawn a Welfare Check Fo...
Guest

Irving, TX

#87 Feb 7, 2013
Farmer wrote:
My last appraisal in Greene co was 4600 last month. I wouldn't sell any for that, and it's graded, irrigated, and all has roads on each side. The fella on craigslist advertising 300$/ac cash rent is what I find interesting, he doesn't use a bank around here ill bet
Oh, I don't doubt it appraised for that, I'm just saying that eventually the farms have to pay for themselves when buying one. I'm a buyer, been buying land for 25 years, but I'm not touching these prices.
Farmer

United States

#88 Feb 7, 2013
Definitely not, It's hard to say how long lived this will hold, 13 doesn't look as good on paper as 12 did already
Farmer in the Dell

Mayflower, AR

#89 Feb 7, 2013
I just can't see land in northeast AR being viable at that price for agricultural purposes. Like the guest above, I can't see that one paying off it's cost in any timely investment period. I have some zero-graded ground with wells & some resevoir right off a state highway that wouldn't even come close to that value.
Farmer

United States

#90 Feb 7, 2013
I agree I haven't bought any since it left that 2500-2800 range. It appears all investor driven, I'd like to see them out on the Ag market to stabilize things, I have no intention farming for Monsanto nor do I want to be investor backed, most other businesses are this way, just look at NYSE. That doesn't fit any of us.
Farmer in the Dell

Mayflower, AR

#91 Feb 7, 2013
Yes, the farmer is fast becoming the hired help that provides the media for growing crops and the chemical companies are ccalling the shots more and more.
guest

Jonesboro, AR

#92 Feb 12, 2013
District9 wrote:
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That site is all about subsidies, not loans. I haven't said a word about welfare.
Nice try at discrediting the info that was posted.
The numbers posted include crop loans.
Happy Customer

Jonesboro, AR

#93 Feb 12, 2013
Those amounts are not accurate and the dumbass that started that website has suceeded in putting lies out and the ignorant public bought it. Those amounts you have listed is the amount those producers received from the Commodity Credit Corporation in governemnt loans. The years listed cotton was put in the government loan for $0.52 cents per pound until a buyer was found. When a buyer was found the loan was repaid. A farmer can only receive $40,000 in your so called welfare per year. Most cotton farms pay less than $40 per acre in direct assistance. So in 6 years Dabb farms could hvae only received $240,000 max. Dont post crap you know absolutely nothing about. Every industry in the country is subsidized and you get way more benefit form the subsidies than the farmer does. It would tickle them to death to give up the subsidies so the governemnt could no longer control the markets and corn go to $12 and Beef to $3.
District9 wrote:
Cotton from 1995 to 2011
1 Dabb Farms Caraway, AR 72419 $5,311,586
2 Wallace Farms A Partnership Monette, AR 72447 $2,620,323
3 Henry Dean & Jeff Finch Farms Jonesboro, AR 72404 $2,571,668
4 Gipson Farms Ptr Caraway, AR 72419 $2,109,936
5 Fda Farms Inc Caraway, AR 72419 $1,763,336
6 Whitley Farms Black Oak, AR 72414 $1,621,676
7 Cobb Farms Lake City, AR 72437 $1,551,384
8 Robert Harrell Farms Monette, AR 72447 $1,427,427
9 Bradford & Scott Partnership Bay, AR 72411 $1,373,550
10 Miller Bros Ptr Monette, AR 72447 $1,368,348
http://farm.ewg.org/region.php...
Guest

United States

#94 Feb 13, 2013
guest wrote:
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The numbers posted include crop loans.
Those numbers include the difference between the CCC loan and the amount repaid, which is a direct subsidy. Also, an entity was/is allowed $40,000/entity, thus a partnership could have been.made up of 6 different corporations. That would have entitled you to $240,000/yr. They have since changed the law to requiring a person/entity, you still could have 6 people in that partnership. You are correct in pointing out it doesn't amount to very much money per acre, sometimes it's the only profit if there is any. Not many business plans call for risking millions inorder to make $40,000, crazy isn't it?
Dammit

Haslet, TX

#95 Feb 13, 2013
I'll take that $40,000 in so called easy check any time you want to forfeit.
Guest

United States

#96 Feb 13, 2013
Dammit wrote:
I'll take that $40,000 in so called easy check any time you want to forfeit.
Sure, come put your name on the loan and put up everything you own as collateral.
Dammit

United States

#97 Feb 14, 2013
Guest wrote:
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Sure, come put your name on the loan and put up everything you own as collateral.
I believe I do already. I miss a weeks work my azz is in trouble. Except I don't get that "little" 40k check to help me out through year
Guest

United States

#98 Feb 14, 2013
Dammit wrote:
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I believe I do already. I miss a weeks work my azz is in trouble. Except I don't get that "little" 40k check to help me out through year
Yep, and if the company you work for lays you off because the can't sell their product, you sign up for unemploymemt. If the farmer can't sell his products, he calls the auctioneer and lines his equipment up. The gov't doesn't like for Agri to go in to the hands of big corporations, so they try to help out the family farm. Looks to me like you need to buy or rent a farm, you know, since it's all money free and clear??
Guest

Mountain Home, AR

#99 Feb 14, 2013
Notice how the welfare farmers are always acting like they would love to dump their farming operation? A person couldn't pry their greedy hands off those subsidy checks with a crowbar. The government has lost billions over the years in bad loans to farmers all over America, most just written off and let the taxpayers suck it up. Its bad enough to mooch off society but please stop crying like its doing the rest of a favor, get off the government tit and get a real job where all you get is what you earn.
Guest

United States

#100 Feb 14, 2013
Guest wrote:
Notice how the welfare farmers are always acting like they would love to dump their farming operation? A person couldn't pry their greedy hands off those subsidy checks with a crowbar. The government has lost billions over the years in bad loans to farmers all over America, most just written off and let the taxpayers suck it up. Its bad enough to mooch off society but please stop crying like its doing the rest of a favor, get off the government tit and get a real job where all you get is what you earn.
Yeah, it's not like the gov't didn't lose billions on any other industry. I agree, the govt shouldn't be in the banking business, let the banks loan the money to the farmers, they do a better job of securing collateral. I mean seriously, do you think $40,000 is the difference between life and death on a $5,000,000 operation? The govt wants to have their control over imports and exports, it's their way of having a carrot and stick approach. I suspect the next farm bill will do away with direct paymemts, but you can bet your last dollar that they won't get out of the farming industry.
Guest

Manila, AR

#101 Feb 14, 2013
All of you people that don't like the government paying farmers need to gripe about the government - not the farmer. Of course I don't really think you're concerned about the government spending $...you're just jealous of farmers.
Farmer in the Dell

Mayflower, AR

#102 Feb 14, 2013
Guest wrote:
Notice how the welfare farmers are always acting like they would love to dump their farming operation? A person couldn't pry their greedy hands off those subsidy checks with a crowbar. The government has lost billions over the years in bad loans to farmers all over America, most just written off and let the taxpayers suck it up. Its bad enough to mooch off society but please stop crying like its doing the rest of a favor, get off the government tit and get a real job where all you get is what you earn.
You are truly a clueless nitwit with a chip on your shoulder toward farmers but you really have no clue how farming works. Why don't you show us where you got got this info on the government losing billions on farmers? You don't realize that when you go in the grocery store and bitch about the prices that, were it not for government subsidies, that food would rise & fall in price and often become unaffordable to the average citizen. You come on and get in the farming business and see how good that government tit is.
Dammit

Jonesboro, AR

#103 Feb 14, 2013
Farmer in the Dell wrote:
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You are truly a clueless nitwit with a chip on your shoulder toward farmers but you really have no clue how farming works. Why don't you show us where you got got this info on the government losing billions on farmers? You don't realize that when you go in the grocery store and bitch about the prices that, were it not for government subsidies, that food would rise & fall in price and often become unaffordable to the average citizen. You come on and get in the farming business and see how good that government tit is.
I don't know much about farming but I do know what I see. I see farmers complaining about being
poor and broke but still driving new trucks and their wives and kids have new trucks and a SUV
they have 5k duck dogs and race cars and lake houses. So don't set in your EZ chair and bitch and moan to me about being a poor azz farmer!!
Get a 7 to 4 clock punching job like most hard working people have and believe me you'll appreciate that EZ check your getting and you won't piss all your money away like your doing now. Go ahead and tell me I'm a lazy welfare bastard and what ever you want but your one too but with a bigger check!!
Guest

United States

#104 Feb 14, 2013
Dammit wrote:
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I don't know much about farming but I do know what I see. I see farmers complaining about being
poor and broke but still driving new trucks and their wives and kids have new trucks and a SUV
they have 5k duck dogs and race cars and lake houses. So don't set in your EZ chair and bitch and moan to me about being a poor azz farmer!!
Get a 7 to 4 clock punching job like most hard working people have and believe me you'll appreciate that EZ check your getting and you won't piss all your money away like your doing now. Go ahead and tell me I'm a lazy welfare bastard and what ever you want but your one too but with a bigger check!!
Yeah, I always told people when I farmed, I only worked half a day, 7 to 7. Of course, that didn't count the times during planting and harvest that we worked 18hrs a day. So yeah, 7 to 4 sounds good to me, especially knowing I didn't have to leave the house at 1am to change a water setting. And for most, those new trucks and SUVs are on borrowed money, sometimes it works out sometimes it comes back to bite tou in the azz.
Farmer in the Dell

Mayflower, AR

#105 Feb 14, 2013
Dammit wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't know much about farming but I do know what I see. I see farmers complaining about being
poor and broke but still driving new trucks and their wives and kids have new trucks and a SUV
they have 5k duck dogs and race cars and lake houses. So don't set in your EZ chair and bitch and moan to me about being a poor azz farmer!!
Get a 7 to 4 clock punching job like most hard working people have and believe me you'll appreciate that EZ check your getting and you won't piss all your money away like your doing now. Go ahead and tell me I'm a lazy welfare bastard and what ever you want but your one too but with a bigger check!!
You're right, you don't know much about farming. Some farmers own their own land which makes their operations a lot more profitable and some farmers live beyond their means on bank loans. The average farmer doesn't make that kind of money and when you have a good year you better average it out to cover 5 years that may be mediocre. Also, some farmers have money from inheritances or other investments. It takes more and more acreage per family member making a living out of the farm and that comes with increased annual loan amounts for making a crop. It's all high risk and can go bad quickly. Here again, get in on it if you think it's all gravy, get in on it.
Dammit

Jonesboro, AR

#106 Feb 15, 2013
Farmer in the Dell wrote:
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You're right, you don't know much about farming. Some farmers own their own land which makes their operations a lot more profitable and some farmers live beyond their means on bank loans. The average farmer doesn't make that kind of money and when you have a good year you better average it out to cover 5 years that may be mediocre. Also, some farmers have money from inheritances or other investments. It takes more and more acreage per family member making a living out of the farm and that comes with increased annual loan amounts for making a crop. It's all high risk and can go bad quickly. Here again, get in on it if you think it's all gravy, get in on it.
We can stand here and piss on each others boots all day but at the end of the that day your still crying and bitching because you haven't got enough of what ever the hell you think your entitled to.
You farmers are nothing but beggars and braggers. Your gonna blow your crop loan on bull crap a bitch all year about a few pennies your damn bean price fell or the rice crop got flooded
or some dumb sh!t like that. Just quit your damn
bitching for heavens sake!

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