Are we over-diagnosing mental illness?

Mar 16, 2013 Full story: news4jax.com 53

To ease the heartache of her first child's stillbirth, Kelli Montgomery chose rigorous exercise, yoga and meditation over the antidepressants and sleeping pills that her physicians immediately suggested.

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Then She Vaccinated

Winnipeg, Canada

#1 Mar 16, 2013
Doesn't matter what you do before birth. Once the vaccines start you may become one in 88 who get autism.
HumanSpirit

High Springs, FL

#2 Mar 16, 2013
The designing of mental illness for medical profit and control of the society needs to be questioned.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#3 Mar 17, 2013
HumanSpirit wrote:
The designing of mental illness for medical profit and control of the society needs to be questioned.
Now that I could agree with. Psychiatry is nothing more than enforcing stereotypes, it has little to do with actual mental health and is highly inaccurate, thus allowing them to declare what they want as an illness for any reason they want and no one questions is. It is time to not only question those who claim to know what's sane or not, it's time to stop listening to them until they prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that they actually know.
HumanSpirit

High Springs, FL

#4 Mar 17, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Now that I could agree with. Psychiatry is nothing more than enforcing stereotypes, it has little to do with actual mental health and is highly inaccurate, thus allowing them to declare what they want as an illness for any reason they want and no one questions is. It is time to not only question those who claim to know what's sane or not, it's time to stop listening to them until they prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that they actually know.
There is no definition for mental illness. There is no medical model. There is no evidence based medicine. There is no test for chemical imbalance of the brain. There is no imaging device to detect a spoiled brain from a normal thinking brain..

Without a test for chemical imbalance the mental health, the "psychiatric diagnosis" is limited in the ancillary tests of medicine like an EKG, EEG, blood work or other tests in the diagnoses of a patient. They aren't really needed in Psychiatry.

I think you can see, and probably know, as a student, that the psychiatric diagnosis is made on the basis of behavior or spoken words or the hearsay from a neighor, friend, estranged husband/wife who may very well be making a false allegation or creating a position in a court of law for their advantage. I am sure that Medicare or Disability and insurances play a large part in the diagnoses. Basically you are making a diagnoses on the physiological differences between the so called "mentally ill" and the "normal" without knowing what a proper and healthy chemical "balance" look like?" There is no test.

If we respect metabolic changes based on daily dietary habits, weight gain / loss , terms of the survival of the organisms as a person age along with physical conditioning, physical illness, electrolyte level, gender differences , body temperature, I don't see where the Mental Health and Counseling Industry could conform to any consistency in data with consideration to the above to state a person has a mental disease or illness based on chemical imbalance. Beside that, the mental health psychiatric diagnoses isn't even part of standard medical procedure known as the medical model in which all doctors are trained and is the only branch of medicine operating completely on political decisions.

So, on the basis of a 10 minute exchange between doctor & patient, a diagnosis of atypical schizophrenia (others) can be made and what is disturbing is that with the aid of a 2nd physician, the patient can be involuntarily hospitalized without any due process of law.. There is no other branch of medicine that permits this sort of thing.

If an orthopedic surgeon operated on a patient without the aid of an X-ray, he would be working at the car wash the next day.
HumanSpirit

High Springs, FL

#5 Mar 17, 2013
APA Admits there is no test for "chemical imbalance"

American Psychiatric Association admitted it lied to the American Public

http://www.webwire.com/ViewPressRel.asp...

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Biopsychiatry Illuminated

29 September 2003 Issue 61

This week, a few representative excerpts from an article that I discovered on my internet travels only a matter of days ago, concerning the area in which biopsychiatry has, it seems to me, most comprehensively misled the world at large.

Please go to the website linked to below the excerpts and read the complete article. Then you will not be bamboozled should a doctor, teacher, journalist, ad man, politician, family member, friend, some bloke in your local pub, or whoever, start waffling on at you about 'mental illness' being caused by 'chemical imbalances' in the brain. You will know better!

There Are No "Chemical Imbalances"

"The hypothetical disturbances of neurochemical function that are said to underlie "mental illness" are just that: hypothetical. No experiment has ever shown that anyone has an "imbalance" of any neurotransmitters or any other brain chemicals. Nor could any conceivable experiment demonstrate the existence of a "chemical imbalance," simply because no one, least of all the biopsychiatrists, has the slightest idea what a proper and healthy chemical "balance" would look like."

"...the views and beliefs of biopsychiatry have nothing to do with the answers to scientific questions in any case: the hunt for biological "causes" of "mental illness" is an entirely fallacious enterprise in the first place; the non- existence of data to support its assertions is quite beside the point."

"The latest edition of one pharmacology text has this to say about the status of depression as a disease: "Despite extensive efforts, attempts to document the metabolic changes in human subjects predicted by these [biological] hypotheses have not, on balance, provided consistent or compelling corroboration." This is a long-winded way of admitting that not even a scrap of evidence supports the idea that depression results from a "chemical imbalance." Yet patients are told every day - by their doctors, by the media, and by drug company advertising - that it is a proven scientific fact that depression has a known biochemical origin. It follows directly that millions of Americans are being lied to by their doctors; and people surely can't give informed consent for drug treatment when what they're being "informed" by is a fraud.... To sum up: there is no evidence whatsoever to support the view that "mental illness" is biochemical in origin; in other words, things like "Unipolar Disorder" and "Attention Deficit Disorder" simply do not exist."

Read the complete article, There Are No "Chemical Imbalances" by Eaton T. Fores, at the Eaton T. Fores Research Center:

http://www.etfrc.com/ChemicalImbalances.htm

http://www.adhd-report.com/biopsychiatry/bio_...
HumanSpirit

High Springs, FL

#6 Mar 17, 2013
Inside the Battle to Define Mental Illness

Every so often Al Frances says something that seems to surprise even him. Just now, for instance, in the predawn darkness of his comfortable, rambling home in Carmel, California, he has broken off his exercise routine to declare that “there is no definition of a mental disorder. It’s bullshit. I mean, you just can’t define it.” Then an odd, reflective look crosses his face, as if he’s taking in the strangeness of this scene: Allen Frances, lead editor of the fourth edition of the American Psychiatric Association’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (universally known as the DSM-IV), the guy who wrote the book on mental illness, confessing that “these concepts are virtually impossible to define precisely with bright lines at the boundaries.” For the first time in two days, the conversation comes to an awkward halt.

Pasted from < http://www.wired.com/magazine/2010/12/ff_dsmv... ;

There are no genetic tests, no brain scans, blood tests, chemical imbalance tests or X-rays that can scientifically/medically prove that any psychiatric disorder is a medical condition.
Then They Vaccinated

Winnipeg, Canada

#7 Mar 17, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Now that I could agree with. Psychiatry is nothing more than enforcing stereotypes, it has little to do with actual mental health and is highly inaccurate, thus allowing them to declare what they want as an illness for any reason they want and no one questions is. It is time to not only question those who claim to know what's sane or not, it's time to stop listening to them until they prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that they actually know.
Without pharma they have no treatments, so they have made an unholy alliance with Pharma and government to treat vaccine injury victims by labelling them mentally ill instead of vaccine injury. Its how government protects vaccine makers while parents are left to deal with the carnage.

“benzo hunting”

Since: Jul 11

Newcastle upon Tyne

#8 Mar 19, 2013
There's not enough help for mental health never mind over diagnosing

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#9 Mar 19, 2013
Then They Vaccinated wrote:
<quoted text> Without pharma they have no treatments, so they have made an unholy alliance with Pharma and government to treat vaccine injury victims by labelling them mentally ill instead of vaccine injury. Its how government protects vaccine makers while parents are left to deal with the carnage.
Most psychiatrists would rather experiment on the patient using archaic methods like electrocuting the brain, than use medicine. You are just a conspiracy nut.
Kitten Litter

Winnipeg, Canada

#10 Mar 19, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Most psychiatrists would rather experiment on the patient using archaic methods like electrocuting the brain, than use medicine. You are just a conspiracy nut.
DUH!
HumanSpirit

High Springs, FL

#11 Mar 20, 2013
Biggandy wrote:
There's not enough help for mental health never mind over diagnosing
Crimes and atrocities of the mental health industry should be punishable by law.
1 in 50 USA

Winnipeg, Canada

#12 Mar 20, 2013
Starts with vaccines. Autism now 1 in 50 in the USA. Your vaccinated family should brace itself for the new autistic children and grandchildren that you will have.

“Life is but a flush . . . ”

Since: Mar 13

. . . then you sink

#13 Mar 20, 2013
Autism, okay may be real.
But most psychotherapy is baloney snake oil, pushed on the gullible with fake "theories".
Just like chiropractors and acupuncturists, who have large charts full of lies and get limited "results" mainly from simple massage and placebo effects.

Since: Mar 13

Mumbai, India

#14 Mar 30, 2013
The majority of psychiatrists would rather experiment on the sufferer making use of conservative techniques similar to electrocuting the brain, compared to use medicine. You are merely a conspiracy theory fan.
Vaccines Cause Autism

Winnipeg, Canada

#16 Mar 31, 2013
Then They Vaccinated wrote:
<quoted text> Without pharma they have no treatments, so they have made an unholy alliance with Pharma and government to treat vaccine injury victims by labelling them mentally ill instead of vaccine injury. Its how government protects vaccine makers while parents are left to deal with the carnage.
One more time, with feeling
Austinite

Austin, TX

#17 Apr 1, 2013
Autism is more like diarrhea than caused by anything like vaccines, it runs in the genes.

Since: Apr 13

Mind your manners

#18 Apr 1, 2013
Of course we are over-diagnosing mental illness.
People have always been susceptible to the snake oil pitch, and once it's partly paid for by your HMO, you want to go and talk about yourself on and on.
Warning FDA Approved

Winnipeg, Canada

#19 Apr 1, 2013
Austinite wrote:
Autism is more like diarrhea than caused by anything like vaccines, it runs in the genes.
I think you've confused autism with what you have for brains.
Warning FDA Approved

Winnipeg, Canada

#20 Apr 1, 2013
_Chartruese_ wrote:
Of course we are over-diagnosing mental illness.
People have always been susceptible to the snake oil pitch, and once it's partly paid for by your HMO, you want to go and talk about yourself on and on.
Right. The con is on. The relationship between Psychiatry and Big Pharma is based solely on profit. Withy Pharma in the background, Psychiatry is pushing for mental illness labels for normal human behaviors like being forgetful and mourning a loss. They want any child with a tad of independence labelled ADHD and drugged for life $$$$$
Austinite

Austin, TX

#21 Apr 5, 2013
Warning FDA Approved wrote:
<quoted text> I think you've confused autism with what you have for brains.
Whatever you think, Autism is not caused by vaccines as that study was debunked not too long ago. Has more to do with genetics than anything else though some indicators of chemicals in the environment are possible but the strongest evidence is genetic defect.
My wife and I have 11 children and all vaccinated, not a one is defective, 9 have graduated university and are doing well. One is still in university and the youngest is in the last year of high school.

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