Neighbor

Bloomington, IL

#62 Nov 28, 2012
Lets over look 911,Katrina, Homeland Security, War, and if we do that, Four More would be right. But then again those darn facts screw him up every time it seems.
Rubio 2016

United States

#63 Nov 28, 2012
Four More Years wrote:
<quoted text>
What was GDP/spending ratio in 2008?The Repubs ran the whole show and spending increased/debt rose during most of W's tenure. I guess you can say the Republicans wanted to increase spending while lowering taxes. It doesn't work.
Again back to bush. We are talking about the good old days of clinton. If we want to go back there, we should go back there. That means cutting spending levels substantially. Not just raising taxes. And yes, bush and reps spent too much too but that is irrelevant. Bush and obama have taken spending out of control and it needs to stop.
Four More Years

New Lenox, IL

#64 Nov 28, 2012
Rubio 2016 wrote:
<quoted text>Again back to bush. We are talking about the good old days of clinton. If we want to go back there, we should go back there. That means cutting spending levels substantially. Not just raising taxes. And yes, bush and reps spent too much too but that is irrelevant. Bush and obama have taken spending out of control and it needs to stop.
Republicans just don't get it. They want to increase spending and decrease taxes. That formula didn't work from 2000-2008. They can talk about decreasing spending but one only has to look in the rear view mirror to realize it is hot air. Obama's proposed increase will affect me more than most. I haven't found a better place to live with lower taxes so I guess I will pay them.
Professor

United States

#65 Nov 29, 2012
Four More Years wrote:
<quoted text>
Republicans just don't get it. They want to increase spending and decrease taxes. That formula didn't work from 2000-2008. They can talk about decreasing spending but one only has to look in the rear view mirror to realize it is hot air. Obama's proposed increase will affect me more than most. I haven't found a better place to live with lower taxes so I guess I will pay them.
WOW! Unbelievable! You are actually supportive and okay getting taxed to death by your president? This really is the new America.
Neighbor

Bloomington, IL

#66 Nov 29, 2012
I am seriously laughing.....

Four More states he has not found a better place with lower taxs??? What does that say about his knowledge level?? <LMAO How many neighboring states have lower tax's? <lol Maybe he can't ride his bicycle that far?
lonesome dove

Hazel Crest, IL

#67 Nov 29, 2012
Rubio 2016 wrote:
<quoted text>Again back to bush. We are talking about the good old days of clinton. If we want to go back there, we should go back there. That means cutting spending levels substantially. Not just raising taxes. And yes, bush and reps spent too much too but that is irrelevant. Bush and obama have taken spending out of control and it needs to stop.
To go back to the good old days of Clinton you really mean to go back to the wisdom of Newt Gingrich. As Speaker of the House during the Clinton years he devised the fiscal plan. Clinton only agreed to go along with it. It has been Clinton who got the glory, but really the economy was a devise of Gingrich and the Republicans. Ahh yes, the good old days.
Neighbor

Bloomington, IL

#68 Nov 29, 2012
Lonesome dove: Actually, you are right on the mark. Clinton worked with both sides, and governed from the middle. Newt was the genius who worked well with Clinton for sure. Ah yes, when America pulled together....the good old days.

It's not just Obama destroying America today, his team of Pelosi, Reid, Frank, Schumer, Axelrod, Durbin are running things the same way IL & CA have run things. The two worst states of debt in the country too.
Professor

United States

#69 Nov 29, 2012
lonesome dove wrote:
<quoted text>To go back to the good old days of Clinton you really mean to go back to the wisdom of Newt Gingrich. As Speaker of the House during the Clinton years he devised the fiscal plan. Clinton only agreed to go along with it. It has been Clinton who got the glory, but really the economy was a devise of Gingrich and the Republicans. Ahh yes, the good old days.
How correct you are.
lonesome dove

Chicago, IL

#70 Nov 29, 2012
Neighbor wrote:
Lonesome dove: Actually, you are right on the mark. Clinton worked with both sides, and governed from the middle. Newt was the genius who worked well with Clinton for sure. Ah yes, when America pulled together....the good old days.
It's not just Obama destroying America today, his team of Pelosi, Reid, Frank, Schumer, Axelrod, Durbin are running things the same way IL & CA have run things. The two worst states of debt in the country too.
And I can't stand Durbin. What a washrag of a human being.
lonesome dove

Chicago, IL

#71 Nov 29, 2012
One other thing. Clinton gave a speech at the Dems past convention supporting Obama. Now Clinton knows better. Remember he said on Obama, you are rolling the dice. Clinto knows it's a gamble with Obama and that there should be enough forces at work to keep him in check; so why did Clinton brag so much for Obama? In my opinion, it was payback to the Republicans over Monica Lewinsky and of course Clinton's impeachment. The worm turned and good sense was put in play political style.
Rubio2016

Merrillville, IN

#72 Nov 29, 2012
lonesome dove wrote:
<quoted text>To go back to the good old days of Clinton you really mean to go back to the wisdom of Newt Gingrich. As Speaker of the House during the Clinton years he devised the fiscal plan. Clinton only agreed to go along with it. It has been Clinton who got the glory, but really the economy was a devise of Gingrich and the Republicans. Ahh yes, the good old days.
I agree but you can't argue with dems about who is actually responsible for Clinton's success. The point is merely that all these dems keeps going back to the "glory days" of Clinton and want his high tax rates back. However, they never mention that during those "glory days" we also spent a lot less as a percentage of GDP. I'm all for higher taxes even though I know it won't work as long as we get significant spending cuts.
Neighbor

United States

#73 Nov 29, 2012
Thats the dilema, Dems have lied in agreeing to cut spending before, as well as used smoke other times in simply reducing the amount they planned to spend 10 years from now. Crazy...

The House is in a tough spot. Negotiate and get lied to? Refuse Tax Rate increase and get blamed?

Me? I say refuce Tax Rate increase at all costs, period! At least they can say they stood their ground & held themselves to their pledge at all costs! We all are going to get screwed by Reid & Obama anyway, lets get it over with fast by jumping off the cliff, not being pushed off.
Unincorporated

New Lenox, IL

#74 Nov 29, 2012
Newt fashioned the Contract with America right? That included term limits. However, when they got in, the term limits were forgotten. Doesn't anyone realize that these people are pitting us against one another with the (D) and the (R) labels. They are one in the same. We borrowed another 4 billion dollars today. What's up with that? No one says a thing about it. Why not?
Fiscal Cliff? We're talking about 100 billion dollars! It's less than 10% of our yearly deficit! It's pocket change and they act as if it's the end of the world. What's going to happen when they really need to solve our fiscal problems? MORONS! And you voted for them!
Rubio 2016

Schererville, IN

#75 Nov 29, 2012
lonesome dove wrote:
One other thing. Clinton gave a speech at the Dems past convention supporting Obama. Now Clinton knows better. Remember he said on Obama, you are rolling the dice. Clinto knows it's a gamble with Obama and that there should be enough forces at work to keep him in check; so why did Clinton brag so much for Obama? In my opinion, it was payback to the Republicans over Monica Lewinsky and of course Clinton's impeachment. The worm turned and good sense was put in play political style.
He was doing what was "right" for the dem party because hillary is planning a 2016 run.
Neighbor

Bloomington, IL

#76 Nov 29, 2012
UNI? You speak to reality, the reality no one wants to admit to. Us, and the politicians. Obama's walk, proves he has no interest in developing America, rather restricting & choking America strengths is his game. I hate to admit that. Still, I hope the GOP stands their ground. Then at least we go down with honor.
Unincorporated

New Lenox, IL

#77 Dec 7, 2012
Welcome to the new america! A private swearing in ceremony, how nice. It's for Zero, not you!

http://www.politico.com/story/2012/12/press-f...
Professor

United States

#78 Dec 8, 2012
Unincorporated wrote:
Welcome to the new america! A private swearing in ceremony, how nice. It's for Zero, not you!
http://www.politico.com/story/2012/12/press-f...
Obama is God. What do you expect? This is the mind set of the new America.
Unincorporated

New Lenox, IL

#79 Dec 8, 2012
Obama becomes more irrelevant every passing day. There is an upside to everthing.
DNC

Frankfort, IL

#80 Dec 8, 2012
Rubio2016 wrote:
<quoted text>I agree but you can't argue with dems about who is actually responsible for Clinton's success. The point is merely that all these dems keeps going back to the "glory days" of Clinton and want his high tax rates back. However, they never mention that during those "glory days" we also spent a lot less as a percentage of GDP. I'm all for higher taxes even though I know it won't work as long as we get significant spending cuts.
Maybe we can go back to the "glory years" of the Republican economic boom created by George W Bush. Let's combine tax cuts with increased spending and tank the economy! Let's invade a couple of more countries and put in on the credit card! Republicans didn't have any issues at all raising the debt ceiling then. And let's be honest here, they don't care about it now. It's just a useful ploy to bash the Democrat President. Now that a Democrat is President the Republicans become concerned about debt and spending. Let's pretend also that a huge chunk of the current budget is paying for the fiscal irresponsibility of the Republicans from 2000 to 2008. It's a joke, kind of like you.
Four More Years

New Lenox, IL

#81 Dec 8, 2012
DNC wrote:
<quoted text>Maybe we can go back to the "glory years" of the Republican economic boom created by George W Bush. Let's combine tax cuts with increased spending and tank the economy! Let's invade a couple of more countries and put in on the credit card! Republicans didn't have any issues at all raising the debt ceiling then. And let's be honest here, they don't care about it now. It's just a useful ploy to bash the Democrat President. Now that a Democrat is President the Republicans become concerned about debt and spending. Let's pretend also that a huge chunk of the current budget is paying for the fiscal irresponsibility of the Republicans from 2000 to 2008. It's a joke, kind of like you.
Right on brother. Bush a platinum credit card and no concern about debt. Debt was considered good.

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