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Dec 6, 2012
 
reform on term limits comming soon! 3rd year of his agenda
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I do comprehend this professor; Lost in all of these posts and statement is the certainty that no one can answer my question. Regardless of his methods and goals what is his motivation to do these things? Why does he want to do these things? Nobody will try to answer that.
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I do comprehend this professor; Lost in all of these posts and statement is the certainty that no one can answer my question. Regardless of his methods and goals what is his motivation to do these things? Why does he want to do these things? Nobody will try to answer that.
His goal is take down this great nation known as the United States of America. Obama wrote in his autobiography "Dreams from my Father" He is honoring his fathers wishes of the destruction of wealth and strength in America. Obama's father wrote often on the methods to bring down the rogue elephant known as the United States for what he believes is responsible for the poverty of the third world nations like Kenya where he is from. Obama is fulfilling the dreams of his father in honor of his wishes. If you read his autobiography & watch the documentary Obama 2016, you will clearly see his motives and ambition of destroying America as we know it.
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Dec 6, 2012
 
Finally someone answers my question. SO if you are correct, he has a personal desire to bring about the downfall of the USA because he wants to do right by his father? That is amazing, considering that 8 years ago he was an unknown (nationally at least), inexperienced politician. Hopefully when his term expires, there will be an intelligent & courageous leader to clean up the mess if not too late.
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My god it gets nuttier on here everyday. Remember you read it here first 12-6-12 from me. We will not go over the fiscal cliff. The republican leadership is well aware that the majority of Americans will blame the republicans whether fairly or not. And that will just further drag down the party as far as elect-ability is concerned. It may be hard for a lot of you to swallow, but as a realist it is easy to see that Obama is riding high still. He feels whether rightly or not that he was given a mandate by the people. Now you can come on here and attack me as usual and say that I am a democrat or whatever. None of that changes what is happening right now in this country. So you can rant and rave and yell Marxist-Socialist but it is what it is. So for the truly hard core right wing people, you better buckle up its going to be one hell of a ride. And your ticket was just punched for another 4 years of unlimited riding on "The Screaming Eagle".
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Dec 6, 2012
 
hold on wrote:
My god it gets nuttier on here everyday. Remember you read it here first 12-6-12 from me. We will not go over the fiscal cliff. The republican leadership is well aware that the majority of Americans will blame the republicans whether fairly or not. And that will just further drag down the party as far as elect-ability is concerned. It may be hard for a lot of you to swallow, but as a realist it is easy to see that Obama is riding high still. He feels whether rightly or not that he was given a mandate by the people. Now you can come on here and attack me as usual and say that I am a democrat or whatever. None of that changes what is happening right now in this country. So you can rant and rave and yell Marxist-Socialist but it is what it is. So for the truly hard core right wing people, you better buckle up its going to be one hell of a ride. And your ticket was just punched for another 4 years of unlimited riding on "The Screaming Eagle".
Right you are. Why not go over the cliff though. It's a step in the right direction. If the republicans are going to get blamed anyway, I say go for it! Call his bluff. See what he does.
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Dec 6, 2012
 
hold on wrote:
My god it gets nuttier on here everyday. Remember you read it here first 12-6-12 from me. We will not go over the fiscal cliff. The republican leadership is well aware that the majority of Americans will blame the republicans whether fairly or not. And that will just further drag down the party as far as elect-ability is concerned. It may be hard for a lot of you to swallow, but as a realist it is easy to see that Obama is riding high still. He feels whether rightly or not that he was given a mandate by the people. Now you can come on here and attack me as usual and say that I am a democrat or whatever. None of that changes what is happening right now in this country. So you can rant and rave and yell Marxist-Socialist but it is what it is. So for the truly hard core right wing people, you better buckle up its going to be one hell of a ride. And your ticket was just punched for another 4 years of unlimited riding on "The Screaming Eagle".
Going off the fiscal cliff only means resorting back to the tax rates of Clinton. What's so horrible about that if you are a democrats in favor of taxes?

Why is Obama not advocating tax cuts for the middle class if he is a true champion of us? We have not had a cut in 10yrs. They are only advocating a freeze of the Bush tax rates for us. We need a real tax cuts from Obama. After all they demean Bush and the republicans. They can truly do better than this for us. Agree?

Why is Obama not discussing tax cuts for the middle
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Dec 6, 2012
 
hold on wrote:
My god it gets nuttier on here everyday. Remember you read it here first 12-6-12 from me. We will not go over the fiscal cliff. The republican leadership is well aware that the majority of Americans will blame the republicans whether fairly or not. And that will just further drag down the party as far as elect-ability is concerned. It may be hard for a lot of you to swallow, but as a realist it is easy to see that Obama is riding high still. He feels whether rightly or not that he was given a mandate by the people. Now you can come on here and attack me as usual and say that I am a democrat or whatever. None of that changes what is happening right now in this country. So you can rant and rave and yell Marxist-Socialist but it is what it is. So for the truly hard core right wing people, you better buckle up its going to be one hell of a ride. And your ticket was just punched for another 4 years of unlimited riding on "The Screaming Eagle".
I would agree that republicans would cave if it weren't for the fact that obama is now attaching the debt ceiling debacle to this. I dont see republicans caving in on that and regardless of which party you support, you shouldnt want to president to have full authority over that. It looks to me like one of two things are going on in obamas head. One is that he wants to go over the cliff so we see tax increases on everyone. Adding this debt ceiling talk almost ensures we go over. The other is that he is so incredibly stupid and arrogant that he just thinks republicans have to go along with his nonsense. I guess we will see. I would prefer to go over the cliff than give obama a blank check to borrow as much as he wants.
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Going off the fiscal cliff only means resorting back to the tax rates of Clinton. What's so horrible about that if you are a democrats in favor of taxes?
Why is Obama not advocating tax cuts for the middle class if he is a true champion of us? We have not had a cut in 10yrs. They are only advocating a freeze of the Bush tax rates for us. We need a real tax cuts from Obama. After all they demean Bush and the republicans. They can truly do better than this for us. Agree?
Why is Obama not discussing tax cuts for the middle
I dont claim to know what Obama is thinking or planning. I will leave that up to you, you have told us many times over so I see no point in debating that with you. Even if I had those answers, which I do not. And tax rates are at the lowest in how many years? So I dont think that is even being broached. Now if you want my opinion. Why should he discuss tax cuts for the middle class, when he can be a hero just by keeping things status quo for the middle class. While still claiming to cut the deficit and continue social programs. Make sense to you? It should because that is what is going to happen. He maybe a hell of a lot smarter than you give him credit for. As I have said all along, you can scream that he is a Marxist, Socialist, going from the Saul Alinsky playbook what have. He knows how to play the public and that is all he needs right now. And I know you may not want to hear it. But the kind of rhetoric pushed by the far right just tends to help the democrats more each day. I am truly sorry that you cant or wont see that to win elections, we need candidates able to take a more moderate approach.
If you are running a business and want to be successful you must put out a product that the public is willing to buy. The changing face of this country will no longer buy the hard line right wing approach. I think we have seen that with the recent elections. Like it or not, what I say is just common sense. I tried telling you that long before the elections starting back in August and my opinion was proved correct by the results. So call me what you will. I will call myself a guy who calls them as he sees them. And my vision is pretty clear right now. Sorry to tell you all of this, again.
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Dec 6, 2012
 
hold on wrote:
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I dont claim to know what Obama is thinking or planning. I will leave that up to you, you have told us many times over so I see no point in debating that with you. Even if I had those answers, which I do not. And tax rates are at the lowest in how many years? So I dont think that is even being broached. Now if you want my opinion. Why should he discuss tax cuts for the middle class, when he can be a hero just by keeping things status quo for the middle class. While still claiming to cut the deficit and continue social programs. Make sense to you? It should because that is what is going to happen. He maybe a hell of a lot smarter than you give him credit for. As I have said all along, you can scream that he is a Marxist, Socialist, going from the Saul Alinsky playbook what have. He knows how to play the public and that is all he needs right now. And I know you may not want to hear it. But the kind of rhetoric pushed by the far right just tends to help the democrats more each day. I am truly sorry that you cant or wont see that to win elections, we need candidates able to take a more moderate approach.
If you are running a business and want to be successful you must put out a product that the public is willing to buy. The changing face of this country will no longer buy the hard line right wing approach. I think we have seen that with the recent elections. Like it or not, what I say is just common sense. I tried telling you that long before the elections starting back in August and my opinion was proved correct by the results. So call me what you will. I will call myself a guy who calls them as he sees them. And my vision is pretty clear right now. Sorry to tell you all of this, again.
You act like republicans had a far right wing candidate in romney. Romney is a moderate republican which is why most conservatives didnt care for him. Maybe that is why they lost. Maybe the exact opposite of what you are saying is true. Maybe it would take a true conservative to energize the base. I dont know. But the thing you leave out with all of this is that republicans cannot get minority votes, especially when running against a black president. The gop has been painted as a party of rich racist white people through democratic propaganda and class warfare for years. It's not the truth but guess what, the truth doesnt matter. How do you propose that republicans get over that hurdle? Would a black gop candidate do it?
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Dec 6, 2012
 
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<quoted text>You act like republicans had a far right wing candidate in romney. Romney is a moderate republican which is why most conservatives didnt care for him. Maybe that is why they lost. Maybe the exact opposite of what you are saying is true. Maybe it would take a true conservative to energize the base. I dont know. But the thing you leave out with all of this is that republicans cannot get minority votes, especially when running against a black president. The gop has been painted as a party of rich racist white people through democratic propaganda and class warfare for years. It's not the truth but guess what, the truth doesnt matter. How do you propose that republicans get over that hurdle? Would a black gop candidate do it?
Believe me I wish I had that answer for you. My opinion is that a hispanic candidate sure as hell would not hurt. I also think that a lot of the stupid statements by republican candidates this election did not help a hell of a lot either. People like to paint with a wide brush. And when you have goofs talking about legal rape and what have you, well I think you have to agree that those kinds of things did not help at all. And when you have people calling a black president a marxist, socialist etc etc, well then people are just going to say the far right is full of racists. Thats why that kind of rhetoric needs to stop. Again you can argue with me all you want, none of that is helping us. I am going to tell you right off that my way of thinking in the republican party is going to be the norm very soon if we want to survive.
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Dec 6, 2012
 
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<quoted text>I would agree that republicans would cave if it weren't for the fact that obama is now attaching the debt ceiling debacle to this. I dont see republicans caving in on that and regardless of which party you support, you shouldnt want to president to have full authority over that. It looks to me like one of two things are going on in obamas head. One is that he wants to go over the cliff so we see tax increases on everyone. Adding this debt ceiling talk almost ensures we go over. The other is that he is so incredibly stupid and arrogant that he just thinks republicans have to go along with his nonsense. I guess we will see. I would prefer to go over the cliff than give obama a blank check to borrow as much as he wants.
You nailed it! He wants to see tax increases on everyone. It is his agenda. It has been all along. This is where the money is, not in the 2%. That would fund the gov for 8 days! LOL! This way he gets to put the whammy on where it counts. On EVERY person who works. He fooled you again! Haha! Even his friends in the senate won't pass this crap though. I wish they would. Like Pink Floyd sang on "The Wall", Well, get on with it!" Let's get with the new america and take this sucker down. I'm ready!
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Dec 6, 2012
 
And by the way I have said many times on here that Romney was a moderate and worked well with both parties. But Romney was not the right candidate. Again I dont have the answers, I just did not see Romney as a candidate of the people, maybe it was just me.
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Did you see the documentary on his life, based upon his personal writings & life experience, "2016 Love Him or Hate Him"?
IMO that explins what you are asking...
You & I grew up in America, exposed to American culture, values, beliefs, and principals. His life experiences taught him the very same points, but from an entirely different cultural view, and different set of values. My sense is that he "values" the ability to pull wealth from those who have it, with no conscience at all, to give it to those "he preceives" as deserving it". Thinking he really believes "you did not build that" kind of thing. Given he was mentored as a child by socialist/marxist/communist people assigned to him, of course his view & values are very different than a typical American raised in an American culture.
QUICK!!!!!!!!!! Name the country that was built on the near genocide of one race and the enslavement of another race. tick, tick, tick, tick,........
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Dec 7, 2012
 
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QUICK!!!!!!!!!! Name the country that was built on the near genocide of one race and the enslavement of another race. tick, tick, tick, tick,........
The United Sates of America of course.
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Dec 7, 2012
 
Oh yes, lets go back to 1400's and compare....
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Dec 7, 2012
 
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I dont claim to know what Obama is thinking or planning. I will leave that up to you, you have told us many times over so I see no point in debating that with you. Even if I had those answers, which I do not. And tax rates are at the lowest in how many years? So I dont think that is even being broached. Now if you want my opinion. Why should he discuss tax cuts for the middle class, when he can be a hero just by keeping things status quo for the middle class. While still claiming to cut the deficit and continue social programs. Make sense to you? It should because that is what is going to happen. He maybe a hell of a lot smarter than you give him credit for. As I have said all along, you can scream that he is a Marxist, Socialist, going from the Saul Alinsky playbook what have. He knows how to play the public and that is all he needs right now. And I know you may not want to hear it. But the kind of rhetoric pushed by the far right just tends to help the democrats more each day. I am truly sorry that you cant or wont see that to win elections, we need candidates able to take a more moderate approach.
If you are running a business and want to be successful you must put out a product that the public is willing to buy. The changing face of this country will no longer buy the hard line right wing approach. I think we have seen that with the recent elections. Like it or not, what I say is just common sense. I tried telling you that long before the elections starting back in August and my opinion was proved correct by the results. So call me what you will. I will call myself a guy who calls them as he sees them. And my vision is pretty clear right now. Sorry to tell you all of this, again.
I agree that his class warfare tactics work on the minds of many. I don't believe the Republicans solution to winning elections is to carbon copy the democrats ideology. I believe the republicans counter attack to Obama is horrible. They need young blood to convey their principles clearly to the people. Just like chemical dependency, some have to bottom out to wake up, some will never wake up.
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Dec 9, 2012
 
History has shown Americans nothing. Your choices are over after the primary season. Until the primary season and third and fourth parties are included in debate democracy is just a myth they showed you when civics were taught school. Americans don't even know that the enemy lives in their own lazy self. Put no effort into educating yourself and then go howl at the moon when you get frightened.
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Dec 11, 2012
 
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Believe me I wish I had that answer for you. My opinion is that a hispanic candidate sure as hell would not hurt. I also think that a lot of the stupid statements by republican candidates this election did not help a hell of a lot either. People like to paint with a wide brush. And when you have goofs talking about legal rape and what have you, well I think you have to agree that those kinds of things did not help at all. And when you have people calling a black president a marxist, socialist etc etc, well then people are just going to say the far right is full of racists. Thats why that kind of rhetoric needs to stop. Again you can argue with me all you want, none of that is helping us. I am going to tell you right off that my way of thinking in the republican party is going to be the norm very soon if we want to survive.
I think you just hit the nail on the head with this. You said we can't run around calling a "black president" a marxist, etc. Well he his a marxist, whether we say it or not. The problem is you can't say anything negative about a black president because if you do, the dems call racism. You can't call him marxist, you can't say he's failed on the economy, you can't say he made a mess of Libya and attempted a cover up, you can't say he's abandoned Israel, you can't say anything negative! That is a problem when he's done a lot of negative things. I really believe that Republicans have to find a way to split up the minority vote and that means a minority candidate. Personally, I think that's great and we have some great minority candidates. The only thing, I don't like the fact that any party has to seek out someone based on their race in order to win an election. I believe in meritocracy, not race games. Unfortunately, it is what it is. And yes, the stupid comments from guys like Mourdock obviously didn't help but it's not like dems don't have their crackpots too. It's just they won't draw the media attention like these cases did.

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