Another Citgo Calamity

Another Citgo Calamity

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Look what the chumps did

Bolingbrook, IL

#1 Oct 24, 2013
I saw on the news this morning that the was a fire at Citgo. Add to that the gas leak a couple of weeks ago and you have a place Alderman/Oil Company Shill Colarelli called perfectly safe.

I guess the CARE people were right to fight that oil depot.

Thanks Mayor and the city council for putting Lockport at risk. You are just Colarelli Chumps.

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ferrel

Lemont, IL

#2 Oct 24, 2013
Look what the chumps did wrote:
I saw on the news this morning that the was a fire at Citgo. Add to that the gas leak a couple of weeks ago and you have a place Alderman/Oil Company Shill Colarelli called perfectly safe.

I guess the CARE people were right to fight that oil depot.

Thanks Mayor and the city council for putting Lockport at risk. You are just Colarelli Chumps.
I saw the death toll on the illinois tollway was up to 800. Thanks past Council for putting Lockport at risk by allowing that death trap, I-355, to cut through Lockport. I think CARE should petition The current Mayor and Council to close our on-ramps and save lives. To not do so is just endangering woman and children.

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Bolingbrook, IL

#3 Oct 24, 2013
Are you the Shill or just one of the Chumps?

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Chumbalone

Downers Grove, IL

#4 Oct 25, 2013
ferrel wrote:
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I saw the death toll on the illinois tollway was up to 800. Thanks past Council for putting Lockport at risk by allowing that death trap, I-355, to cut through Lockport. I think CARE should petition The current Mayor and Council to close our on-ramps and save lives. To not do so is just endangering woman and children.
Hey knucklehead....get your facts straight ! The 800 is for ALL Illinois roadways...not just the tollway. Don't compare traffic accidents to this issue. While you are getting your facts straight....look up ALL the pipeline leaks, fires, explosions and various other events caused by oil leaks which, by the way , caused the Citgo fire. Just be thankful that this "incident" wasn't worse than it was. I'm sure Mr. Citgo Colarelli will be able to bamboozle anyone who asks him about this "incident". He gets paid to front for this outfit. Bottom line....the THREAT...is real....not bulls---!!

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ferrel

Lemont, IL

#5 Oct 25, 2013
Chumbalone wrote:
<quoted text>Hey knucklehead....get your facts straight ! The 800 is for ALL Illinois roadways...not just the tollway. Don't compare traffic accidents to this issue. While you are getting your facts straight....look up ALL the pipeline leaks, fires, explosions and various other events caused by oil leaks which, by the way , caused the Citgo fire. Just be thankful that this "incident" wasn't worse than it was. I'm sure Mr. Citgo Colarelli will be able to bamboozle anyone who asks him about this "incident". He gets paid to front for this outfit. Bottom line....the THREAT...is real....not bulls---!!
Here is a fact for you:
800 people died on our roads this year.
0 died from pipeline leaks.

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farrel

Lemont, IL

#6 Oct 25, 2013
Chumbalone wrote:
<quoted text> Hey knucklehead....get your facts straight ! The 800 is for ALL Illinois roadways...not just the tollway. Don't compare traffic accidents to this issue. While you are getting your facts straight....look up ALL the pipeline leaks, fires, explosions and various other events caused by oil leaks which, by the way , caused the Citgo fire. Just be thankful that this "incident" wasn't worse than it was. I'm sure Mr. Citgo Colarelli will be able to bamboozle anyone who asks him about this "incident". He gets paid to front for this outfit. Bottom line....the THREAT...is real....not bulls---!!
Hey Mike,
Are you riding your solar powered car on the road or your Big Wheel? Certainly your not driving round in anything powered by oil.

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lockporter

Chicago, IL

#7 Oct 25, 2013
ferrel wrote:
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Here is a fact for you:
800 people died on our roads this year.
0 died from pipeline leaks.
How many WILL die from the effects of environmental damage: run-off into creeks, rivers and ground water systems, toxic damage to fields and forests, and carcinogenic toxins in our food/water? You are obviously also not including fish/animal deaths in your fatal totals either.

The casualties are not always on the front end of the spill.

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Chumbalone

Downers Grove, IL

#8 Oct 25, 2013
ferrel wrote:
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Here is a fact for you:
800 people died on our roads this year.
0 died from pipeline leaks.
So I guess it's OK for leaks, fires, explosions and MILLIONS in damages and putting untold numbers of people at risk ???? You, my oily friend, are beyond help. Like I said...just pray to the almighty that it NEVER happens here cause folks like you will never be heard from.

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#9 Oct 25, 2013
Chumbalone wrote:
<quoted text> So I guess it's OK for leaks, fires, explosions and MILLIONS in damages and putting untold numbers of people at risk ???? You, my oily friend, are beyond help. Like I said...just pray to the almighty that it NEVER happens here cause folks like you will never be heard from.
It is never ok for those things to occur and to think otherwise is absurd. West Shore BP and Shell all run pipelines through this area. Most notable are the lines that run under Rt 83. Those companies have extremely sophisticated leak detection systems all along the pipeline and can detect leaks within a matter of minutes. Most of those lines have an automatic shutoff to those lines. Meaning once a leak is detected the control center can shut the flow down to the line. Does it take time to stem the flow? Yes it does, the alternative though is dumping millions of gallons of oil in the ground. Oil by the way isn't the only thing flowing through pipelines. How do you think natural gas is transported? Jet fuel? All through pipelines and the companies that I mentioned take painstaking measures to ensure leaks do not occur. They have people inspecting those lines regularly through the air and by walking the lines.

Finally, before you accuse me of being a shrill for the oil companies know that I am a Hazardous Materials Technician and have to do a great deal of continuing education. Some of the education comes from the pipeline companies which are required by law to provided educationally classes to first responders. Bottom line transporting fuel, oil, etc is an extremely safe process.

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#10 Oct 25, 2013
EJCDad wrote:
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It is never ok for those things to occur and to think otherwise is absurd. West Shore BP and Shell all run pipelines through this area. Most notable are the lines that run under Rt 83. Those companies have extremely sophisticated leak detection systems all along the pipeline and can detect leaks within a matter of minutes. Most of those lines have an automatic shutoff to those lines. Meaning once a leak is detected the control center can shut the flow down to the line. Does it take time to stem the flow? Yes it does, the alternative though is dumping millions of gallons of oil in the ground. Oil by the way isn't the only thing flowing through pipelines. How do you think natural gas is transported? Jet fuel? All through pipelines and the companies that I mentioned take painstaking measures to ensure leaks do not occur. They have people inspecting those lines regularly through the air and by walking the lines.
Finally, before you accuse me of being a shrill for the oil companies know that I am a Hazardous Materials Technician and have to do a great deal of continuing education. Some of the education comes from the pipeline companies which are required by law to provided educationally classes to first responders. Bottom line transporting fuel, oil, etc is an extremely safe process.
Before the spelling nazis come out it was suppose to be "educational"

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huh

Lockport, IL

#11 Oct 25, 2013
EJCDad wrote:
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It is never ok for those things to occur and to think otherwise is absurd. West Shore BP and Shell all run pipelines through this area. Most notable are the lines that run under Rt 83. Those companies have extremely sophisticated leak detection systems all along the pipeline and can detect leaks within a matter of minutes. Most of those lines have an automatic shutoff to those lines. Meaning once a leak is detected the control center can shut the flow down to the line. Does it take time to stem the flow? Yes it does, the alternative though is dumping millions of gallons of oil in the ground. Oil by the way isn't the only thing flowing through pipelines. How do you think natural gas is transported? Jet fuel? All through pipelines and the companies that I mentioned take painstaking measures to ensure leaks do not occur. They have people inspecting those lines regularly through the air and by walking the lines.
Finally, before you accuse me of being a shrill for the oil companies know that I am a Hazardous Materials Technician and have to do a great deal of continuing education. Some of the education comes from the pipeline companies which are required by law to provided educationally classes to first responders. Bottom line transporting fuel, oil, etc is an extremely safe process.
Why the extremely sophisticated leak detection systems on the underground oil lines....I mean, doesn't the oil come FROM the ground in the first place??
Barry Goldwater

Lockport, IL

#12 Oct 26, 2013
I loved the media coverage that cited the great safety record of the Lemont facility. I know it was Unocal then but didn't that place basically meltdown in July, 1984? I am a realist that knows we need petrol for more than just energy. It provides our fertilizers, plastics and way of life but I really could use some honest reporting also.

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#13 Oct 26, 2013
huh wrote:
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Why the extremely sophisticated leak detection systems on the underground oil lines....I mean, doesn't the oil come FROM the ground in the first place??
Well yeah it comes from the ground, however don't you think that after spending the resources to get it out of the ground and refine it wouldn't it behoove the companies to keep it in the pipeline so as not to lose the investment in the product? Hence the system to ensure as little loss of product as possible. When there is a leak it cost the companies not only in loss product and revenue from the product the company also occurs ALL of the cost in remediation. Unless of course its proven that a third party caused the leak. Its part of the spiller pays provisions.
How would you like it

Warrenville, IL

#14 Oct 26, 2013
This EJC apparently doesn't live anywhere near this stuff. He sounds like a shill for the Shill.

You can talk about all the devices and who's responsible for the cleanup, but how about we try not putting people at risk in the first place? Citgo has had 2 problems in less than a month
and we should not be concerned?

The west side residents aren't second class citizens and to read this stuff from a shill for a Shill, makes me sick.

I wonder how this poster would feel if they put an oil depot in his neighborhood?
Barry Goldwater

Lockport, IL

#15 Oct 26, 2013
It is true that through subcontracts and multi layered operators these companies have made themselves tough to sue. Or I should say, collect from. Will County has the most pipeline under it than any other county in the nation. Why, because our politicians were fairly cheap to buy back in the 60's and 70's and Will County was very rural, it seemed harmless. That break they had on New Ave about two years ago December caused the closure of New Ave for two days and once alerted the fire protection dist. evacuated some residents from High Road before they were sent much higher. I've often wondered why Nuke plants and Refineries are put in such populated areas. I suppose it reduces the cost of transportation and power delivery but is really shortsighted.

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#16 Oct 26, 2013
How would you like it wrote:
This EJC apparently doesn't live anywhere near this stuff. He sounds like a shill for the Shill.
You can talk about all the devices and who's responsible for the cleanup, but how about we try not putting people at risk in the first place? Citgo has had 2 problems in less than a month
and we should not be concerned?
The west side residents aren't second class citizens and to read this stuff from a shill for a Shill, makes me sick.
I wonder how this poster would feel if they put an oil depot in his neighborhood?
First, I live in the third ward not right on top of the refinery but close enough to be evacuated if need be. Second, either you have a reading comprehension problem or you did not read my original post. I said it was absurd to think that it was alright for any leak, fire, explosion etc. Third, I am not a shill for any oil company or anyone else shilling for the oil company. I thought I had made that clear. My job as a first responder is to mitigate the situation and as such I need to have an education as to how the system works. That education is provided by the people that own the pipelines. That education has given me insight and alleviated any concerns I may have had about the pipelines. By the way I have a pipeline running about 100 yards from my home. Too often ill informed people start spouting off at the mouth because they simply are either too lazy to educate themselves about a subject such as this or they believe media hype with out looking at the story through the lenses of objectivity.

How long have you lived in that particular area? The Texaco refinery closed in what the early 80's and the remediation was completed what within the last 5 years? Have you been fighting since the early 80's to clean the area up? If not why not? What's changed?

I know one thing that hasn't changed and that is the railroad tracks running right through downtown. Have you ever watch what tank cars are running on those tracks? Have you ever considered the public safety impact if one of those trains derails? The odds are greater for that to occur then there are for a leak in the pipeline. That doesn't mean leaks do not occur but the impact from a train derailment could far exceed the impact from a leak.

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#17 Oct 26, 2013
Barry Goldwater wrote:
It is true that through subcontracts and multi layered operators these companies have made themselves tough to sue. Or I should say, collect from. Will County has the most pipeline under it than any other county in the nation. Why, because our politicians were fairly cheap to buy back in the 60's and 70's and Will County was very rural, it seemed harmless. That break they had on New Ave about two years ago December caused the closure of New Ave for two days and once alerted the fire protection dist. evacuated some residents from High Road before they were sent much higher. I've often wondered why Nuke plants and Refineries are put in such populated areas. I suppose it reduces the cost of transportation and power delivery but is really shortsighted.
That is correct Barry, and the rep from the oil company all but said that if the oil company can prove a third party was responsible for the leak they are going to go after that third party to recover as much in damages as they can.
Ellis Wyatt

Naperville, IL

#18 Oct 27, 2013
Chumbalone wrote:
<quoted text> So I guess it's OK for leaks, fires, explosions and MILLIONS in damages and putting untold numbers of people at risk ???? You, my oily friend, are beyond help. Like I said...just pray to the almighty that it NEVER happens here cause folks like you will never be heard from.
Are you going to stop using any and all oil and oil products?

Since: Dec 12

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#19 Oct 27, 2013
Ellis Wyatt wrote:
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Are you going to stop using any and all oil and oil products?
There in lies the hypocrisy. The environmentalist lead the charge against big oil and tells us it's evil and we need to use "green energy", yet more often than not the same environmentalist will be found to have plastic water bottles, smart phones, tablets etc in their possession.
Chumbalone

Downers Grove, IL

#20 Oct 28, 2013
Ellis Wyatt wrote:
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Are you going to stop using any and all oil and oil products?
Look...once again...we are talking about crude oil in PIPELINES,BARGES and TANKS....and the threat of leaks...none of which will DIRECTLY BENEFIT Lockport except for a few measly dollars in tax money, a few bucks for a school and chump change for Canal Days ! Please do not continue to be absurd with your arguments about using oil products. Maybe if these companies STOPPED manufacturing plastic bags, water bottles, styrofoam containers and wrapping containers...maybe...just maybe...we would not be forced to use the crap. They are stuffing the junk down our throats. The garbage dumps are overflowing with your precious oil and plastic garbage...which will NEVER disappear.Don't blame the general public for this garbage. If you want to continue to defend this stuff....go ahead. Maybe YOU should give up your Evian water bottles as well and stop taking carry outs from Mickey D's !! Then YOU can claim you are not using your precious oil products.

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