Soldiers are not hero's

Soldiers are not hero's

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Since: Apr 12

Plainfield, IL

#1 May 10, 2012
In America today the soldiers of our armed forces are often treated as heroes. This is an inappropriate and incorrect treatment of them considering the organization they are in and their motives for being in it or what they do in it. They are not hero’s just tools of war.

Soldiers contrary to popular belief are not heroes. They are simply tools used to either make a financial gain or protect an investment through violence and war. In the Spanish American war the USS Maine was sunk in the Havana harbor and the attackers of the ship were most likely the Americans themselves. Why would they do this one might ask? The answer is simple then they can blame it on the Spanish and go to war to protect their investments in sugar in Cuba. There the US troops are considered heroes for going to fight what was clearly the protection of a financial asset of the United States. The US government needed violence to protect its investments and the military was as always there to protect them. The same thing can be argued about the war in Iraq or Afghanistan. Some people believe 9/11 was cause by the US government, or the more likely option that it was let happen as a reason to get involved in the Middle East. After this the US deployed troops to Afghanistan then some time later it was also decided the Saddam Hussein in Iraq had weapons of mass destruction and the US military was of course sent there as well as the armed forces of other countries. This was clearly not about WMD, it was about oil. The Iraq was has only recently come to a close after many years there.
Men and women might join the military for many reasons like education, financial, or patriotism. But none of those excuses should justify them joining an organization that commits atrocities over seas with little or no repercussion. In March 2012 an Army Sergeant killed 16 innocent civilians 9 children for no apparent reasons. Another is the Haditha killings on November 9 2005. In this incident 24 unarmed Iraqi men, women and children where shot by US marines again for no reason. There are many other incidents like this done by US troops some not documented or buried. The reason why soldiers are not heroes is because they join the military with full knowledge of the points of the wars they would fight in and the atrocities committed by the Military. Ignorance is no excuse to this. In this day and age information can easily be located through TV or the internet.

Soldiers commit murder and fight for an imperialist army out for money and they do this with full knowledge of what goes on because of technology. This is why they are no better than a common murder or greedy businessman who cheats to make a gain. They are not heroes they are tools used for money and imperialism under the name of democracy.

Since: Apr 12

Plainfield, IL

#2 May 10, 2012
I should point out that in some situations war is justified and soldiers actually will do things worth respect. However the current war is not justified and is not heroic. the only heroic thing the soldiers there can do is when they watch out for there friends or the civilians. Other then that there whole purpose for being there is not worth respect.

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Since: Dec 11

New Lenox, IL

#3 May 10, 2012
I think the question of whether soldiers are heroes is not analytic in nature. The definition of soldier doesn't make a soldier a hero. The definition is "A person who serves in an army". I believe that most will agree that this does not make them a hero, due to some countries fighting against values that they believe in. If you add something like "American" in front of the word "soldier", however, this makes them heroes to most Americans because to most a hero has a partial inclusive meaning that is "someone who fights for my country". I, however, believe that in such cases it is more complex than that. Our country sometimes partakes in actions that are the antithesis of heroism, and thus the qualifier (hero) fails to make its case in an analytic sense when applied to "American soldier". So the claim as to whether soldiers are heroes is synthetic in nature, we have to look outside the definitions of the words for our answer. I don't support the actions that most soldiers take, but there are some (mostly deserters) that I can put my full support behind. Terry Whitmore, for example, is a hero in my book.

Since: Apr 12

Plainfield, IL

#4 May 10, 2012
Yes i should have put American in from of soldiers. But i was hoping it would be implied that they're the ones im talking about. I tried to say US military a lot to point it out though.

To any one who reads this I meant american soldiers are not heroes, and are not good people just for "fighting for there country"

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Since: Dec 11

New Lenox, IL

#5 May 10, 2012
Joe Morrison wrote:
Yes i should have put American in from of soldiers. But i was hoping it would be implied that they're the ones im talking about. I tried to say US military a lot to point it out though.
To any one who reads this I meant american soldiers are not heroes, and are not good people just for "fighting for there country"
I wasn't really trying to say that your wording suggested anything but American soldiers. That was just a result of me rambling a bit when explaining my position on the heroism of soldiers using the analytic-synthetic distinction:

analytic proposition: a proposition whose predicate concept is contained in its subject concept
synthetic proposition: a proposition whose predicate concept is not contained in its subject concept

Analytic example: "All bachelors are unmarried."

Synthetic example: "All bachelors are unhappy."
Appalled

Joliet, IL

#6 May 10, 2012
Nope, they are heroes.

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Since: Dec 11

New Lenox, IL

#7 May 10, 2012
Appalled wrote:
Nope, they are heroes.
I am appalled by your total lack of premises to support your conclusion.

Since: Apr 12

Plainfield, IL

#8 May 10, 2012
Appalled wrote:
Nope, they are heroes.
well I gave you a pretty lengthy explanation of why they're not. Could you possibly elaborate on why they are.
Bob

Manhattan, IL

#9 May 10, 2012
Wow! This country is going to sh!t and these two are leading the way.

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Since: Dec 11

New Lenox, IL

#10 May 10, 2012
Bob wrote:
Wow! This country is going to sh!t and these two are leading the way.
Actually me and him don't really have that much power and the ones who are actually leading it to shit would probably agree with you about soldiers being heroes. Try again?

Since: May 12

Hinsdale, IL

#11 May 10, 2012
'Yall are the dirtiest of reds: anti-freedom communist reds.

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Since: Dec 11

New Lenox, IL

#12 May 10, 2012
Better Anonymous Student wrote:
'Yall are the dirtiest of reds: anti-freedom communist reds.
I actually consider myself to be a pro-freedom anarchist-communist red.
OMG

Mokena, IL

#13 May 10, 2012
So pathetic! That is all I can say. All our american solders are hero's. There is always a few bad seeds in everything. This thread should be deleted. Pray for our American solders fighting for our country and freedom!!!! GO USA
give me a break

New Lenox, IL

#14 May 10, 2012
Joe Morrison wrote:
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well I gave you a pretty lengthy explanation of why they're not. Could you possibly elaborate on why they are.
I'll elaborate.... they work for little pay, have lousy living conditions, spend months and months away from their families, some lose limbs and lives, watch their friends die, suffer psychological damage and they come back and get treated like crap by punks like you. Do not dishonor those who serve this country kid! Neither you or your little friend Anonymous Student would ever have the courage to do what they do.

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Since: Dec 11

New Lenox, IL

#15 May 10, 2012
OMG wrote:
So pathetic! That is all I can say. All our american solders are hero's. There is always a few bad seeds in everything. This thread should be deleted. Pray for our American solders fighting for our country and freedom!!!! GO USA
"All our american solders are heros"
"There is always a few bad seeds in everything"

Some of them are bad but the bad ones are still heroes!

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Since: Dec 11

New Lenox, IL

#16 May 10, 2012
give me a break wrote:
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They work for little pay, have lousy living conditions, spend months and months away from their families, some lose limbs and lives, watch their friends die, suffer psychological damage and they come back and get treated like crap by punks like you.
If these are all you need to be a hero then Nazi soldiers were heroes.

Please define "hero" to avoid further confusion.
give me a break

New Lenox, IL

#17 May 10, 2012
An Anonymous Student wrote:
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If these are all you need to be a hero then Nazi soldiers were heroes.
Please define "hero" to avoid further confusion.
I just explained why they're hero's. If you're confused that's not my problem.

Since: Apr 12

Plainfield, IL

#18 May 10, 2012
OMG wrote:
So pathetic! That is all I can say. All our american solders are hero's. There is always a few bad seeds in everything. This thread should be deleted. Pray for our American solders fighting for our country and freedom!!!! GO USA
Why would it get deleted? Did I say anything inappropriate or just something contradictory to you? Also how are they fighting for me freedom?

Since: Apr 12

Plainfield, IL

#19 May 10, 2012
give me a break wrote:
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I just explained why they're hero's. If you're confused that's not my problem.
Then he explained that Nazi soldiers were hero's too according to your logic. You really do need to define hero better then some one who has poor living conditions and psychological trauma. Oh and works for little pay.

Since: Apr 12

Plainfield, IL

#20 May 10, 2012
Better Anonymous Student wrote:
'Yall are the dirtiest of reds: anti-freedom communist reds.
Your such a good person. I think you should get three votes.

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