John Sanchez

Villa Park, IL

#26 Dec 30, 2012
A note on gravitation.

If a gun is mounted on a bench and made to be perfectly level, and it is fired at the same moment that a bullet is dropped, both bullets will strike the ground at the same time. What makes a difference in how far away the fired bullet hits the ground is its muzzle velocity.

For pistol rounds, muzzle velocities range from a low of around 800 - 850 ft./sec. up to an average of 1,000 - 1,200 ft./sec. to an upper limit for ammunition available to civilians of around 1,700 ft./sec. For rifle rounds, the range of muzzle velocities can be from around 1,200 ft./sec. to upwards of 3,000 ft./sec. or more for some exotic magnum rounds like the .338 Lapua Magnum. That is the primary factor governing their accuracy at various ranges. Other factors are the weight of the projectile and ballistic effects like windage, air resistance and spin drift, and in extreme cases at very long ranges, the Coriolis effect, or the Earth's rotation.
John Sanchez

Villa Park, IL

#27 Dec 30, 2012
Neighor wrote:
Johnny, Johnny, Johnny....lol While your calculating all that, your dog was eaten visciously and died. In Sohn's case, the coyote has run off or is now dead. His pet is safe, his kid thankful.
As for hunting Coyote? I only know one person who does that, and he uses traps. He has 8 acres in Burlington WI, and makes $1,800/yr selling hides.
Sure, sure, and Sohn's neighbor has summoned the veterinarian to pick 9mm slugs out of their cow.
Neighor

Naperville, IL

#28 Dec 30, 2012
Side stepping again Johnny??? A new point to debate? How's your dog right now? <lol
John Sanchez

Villa Park, IL

#29 Dec 30, 2012
Neighor wrote:
Side stepping again Johnny??? A new point to debate? How's your dog right now? <lol
I don't think the coyote got my dog. I think you kidnapped it in the hope that it could give you a more sophisticated political education than you've been able to get from the Fox.
Unincorporated

New Lenox, IL

#30 Dec 30, 2012
I'm with Mr. Sanchez on this one. A 30/30 Marlin lever action would be a more appropriate choice to kill a coyote than a handgun. Handguns are for close range, not to shoot coyotes. That is bad advice. The guy is never going to hit the animal with a handgun, never. Your analogy of the gangbanger shooting a person by accident is specious at best. That would be a wild shot that happened to find a target in a house or an innocent bystander. Quite different than drawing a bead on a coyote as he stops to pee for a second. Remember, the gun is a tool. No more, no less.
John Sanchez

Villa Park, IL

#31 Dec 30, 2012
Unincorporated wrote:
I'm with Mr. Sanchez on this one. A 30/30 Marlin lever action would be a more appropriate choice to kill a coyote than a handgun. Handguns are for close range, not to shoot coyotes. That is bad advice. The guy is never going to hit the animal with a handgun, never. Your analogy of the gangbanger shooting a person by accident is specious at best. That would be a wild shot that happened to find a target in a house or an innocent bystander. Quite different than drawing a bead on a coyote as he stops to pee for a second. Remember, the gun is a tool. No more, no less.
A .30/30 lever action would be an ideal choice, outside of Illinois. Rifles are not allowed for taking game, and I am not aware of any exceptions for nuisance wildlife. That would mean a shot gun loaded with buck shot or slugs, or a muzzle loader, which normally has a .50 cal. projectile that, while very accurate, may well be overkill for a coyote.
Neighor

Naperville, IL

#32 Dec 30, 2012
There is intelligent ways to hunt Coyote, and then there are those rare emergency situations where you do with what you have. Like I say, I have a friend who hunts Coyote intelligently, because he earns money for the hide. Shotgun blasts destroy the value of the hide. If I found a Coyote in my yard snarling at my foolish-dog barking at him, I'd have 5 seconds to do something. Noise is the most likely first reaction. My lasered Glock 28 would be my quick grab (rifles remain locked). So we have 2 very different situations in that of hunting & the emergency.
Unincorporated

New Lenox, IL

#33 Dec 30, 2012
I use my laser sight like a Light Saber! ZZZZZZEEEEEEOOOOWWWWW!!!!!!!
someone

Naperville, IL

#34 Dec 30, 2012
Neighbor do you wear the gun on your hip at home? If not then do this. Unload the gun and put it in your safe place. Now have someone time you when you do this. Go sit in yard or on patio like you were gardening or reading. Run to the gun, remove from safe place and return to spot where coyote is a threat. Was that 5 seconds? You are better off yelling, waving your arms and chasing coyote.
Now if we are lying in wait for wiley then Sanchez is correct in choosing something other than a handgun.
Wile E

Frankfort, IL

#35 Dec 30, 2012
Sohn Janchez wrote:
<quoted text>
John, have you ever seen the remains of a pet dog that was unfortunate enough to be out in the back yard when the coyotes got to him? Perhaps you aren't a pet lover or could care less about domesticated animals. Try that explanation on a five-year old child after she discovers the leftover fur and body parts of her now departed pooch. John, THAT IS WHY you kill coyotes. Unless you feel pets are a reasonable food source for wild animals.
It is obvious that you've gleaned your knowledge of firearms from The Saturday Liberal Post. By your explanation it's perfectly safe to be 20 or more yards from a hand gun. I seriously doubt that you would back up your words with action and stand in for target practice at that range. Ask any peace officer that's investigated a drive-by shooting how deadly a hand gun can be from long range. Better yet, ask the mother of the dead child that was playing on the parlor floor as the bullets flashed through the window on their way to devistation. I know at this point your fingers are nervously twitching as you anticipate posting a witty (you think) and piercing response. Have at it, I'm more than sixty feet away.
You're a drama queen and a tool. The little dog wouldn't be dead if your lazy ass was watching the dog in the first place. Second, hunting a coyote with a handgun is stupid. I don't think you could hit the broad side of a barn even if you were standing inside.ile
Professor

United States

#36 Dec 30, 2012
A handgun would be okay in your backyard at close range. Anything further than probably 50ft is a tough hit with a hand gun for an average shooter IMO.
Professor

United States

#37 Dec 30, 2012
Actually an AR-15 would be perfect. You can't miss!
Jackpot

Wilmington, IL

#38 Dec 31, 2012
Let me explain a few things. First off, I'm a women and don't want to get knocked on my ass shooting a shotgun. I live in the country where my next neighbor is a mile away and those darn coyotes come right up to my house. Live trap? Get serious.
Trash

Romeoville, IL

#39 Dec 31, 2012
Hillrods!!!
Funny Gun Conrol

Naperville, IL

#42 Dec 31, 2012
Gunner

Lombard, IL

#43 Dec 31, 2012
Professor wrote:
<quoted text>
I own two of them from the early 1980's. I love them. They are both Colt pre bans. Just looked online, people are selling them for $3K. I paid $500 a piece. The government will never get my weapons. I'm looking to buy a case of ammo. I usually purchase out of shotgun news. Any suggestions?
Congrats on your satisfying purchases. Unfortunatly the ammo has dried up due to the current enviroment and political yammering. I used to purchase from Cheaper then Dirt anf MidwayUSA but they are out of stock. Keep checking back anf let me know!
Gunner

Lombard, IL

#44 Dec 31, 2012
Trash wrote:
What a bunch of God loving hillbillies you are. Take those guns and shoot yourselves.
I take the second ammendment to heart. Our forfathers escaped the tyrany of their homeland to come to the land of the free. Gun ownrship should be cumpulsatory to protect the citizens of these United States from the government itself. But of course then people, such as yourself, would not be able to express yourselves so eloquently.
Gunner

Lombard, IL

#45 Dec 31, 2012
Trash wrote:
Scumbags.
Mexicans suck, guns are awesome, gays are a sin, abortion is terrible, God exists.
That's the right wing stance. Who's the whacko?
You seriously need help. Please check yourself in to the local psycological hospital and get the help you need. Oh wait, there are no more psycological hospitals. Whooops...Get back on the meds then. OK
Gunner

Lombard, IL

#46 Dec 31, 2012
Now back on topic. AR15 purchases, anyone?
Mr Me

Chicago, IL

#48 Dec 31, 2012
If you can not hit your target with a hand gun at 60' with the first shot it's time to go back to the range and learn how to shoot it. Been shooting hand guns for 30 + years. Learn how to shoot, better for all around you. Know where that bullet is going to go if you can't do that then do NOT take the shot.

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