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Four More Years

New Lenox, IL

#1 Mar 22, 2013
Looks like the Republicans are running for cover again. Listened to Joe Scarbourgh,the Republican commentator and he just roasted the Republicans.
Looks like we are going to get universal background checks. Chalk up another win for America. It's great that one guy can level the field with the NRA with his cash. Bloomberg is giving volume to the voices of America. Read up on Cup of Joe's radio broadcast. It's a voice of sanity in the gun background check issue. He's one of your's guys not a liberal.
Professor

Chicago, IL

#2 Mar 22, 2013
The communist movement has arrived in America under the name Liberalism! It's not good four more to live under tyranny. The constitution grants us FREEDOM, not safety!
Four More Years

New Lenox, IL

#3 Mar 22, 2013
Professor wrote:
The communist movement has arrived in America under the name Liberalism! It's not good four more to live under tyranny. The constitution grants us FREEDOM, not safety!
Just commenting on
Universal background checks. You can keep your gun. Use the same one our founding fathers used. You are going to lose the universal background check battle too. It was your guy not mine. I'm just trying to listen to a conservative to see his point of view.
Neighbor

Wheaton, IL

#4 Mar 23, 2013
Joe (and you know this) is/was a RINO.

http://surftofind.com/scandal

Scarborough resigned right after this incident. The official reason Scarborough resigned from congress, which is really an extraoodinary thing to do anyway out of the blue, was he wanted to "spend more time with his family," which was kind of odd, since he had recently separated from his wife, who had custody.

To respect his opinion on anything, is strange to me Four More.
Professor

Mokena, IL

#5 Mar 23, 2013
Four More Years wrote:
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Just commenting on
Universal background checks. You can keep your gun. Use the same one our founding fathers used. You are going to lose the universal background check battle too. It was your guy not mine. I'm just trying to listen to a conservative to see his point of view.
Universal background checks won't pass. I have owned guns since I was 18yrs old. The good citizens of this country are not the problem. The liberals don't want safety. They want gun control. I will never register mine. I will ever surrender them. The ones who want universal background checks want them for one of two reasons. To tax them or take them. I refuse to participate in neither.
Neighbor

Wheaton, IL

#6 Mar 23, 2013
I was talking to a Liberal friend yesterday over beers. He brought up the need for Background checks. I told him we already have a background check. He said no we don't! I said when you apply for a FOID, the state does a background check. His response? "What's a FOID"?..... Uninformed, and voting. <lol

The long & short of all these debates only boils down to (as stated) our God Given Rights expressed & guaranteed in the Constitution.

So if you want to try to re-define the 2nd Ammendment, see the 9th first (The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.) Kind'a like Rule 1 - No re-defining, Rule 2 - See Rule 1 type of thing.
Professor

Mokena, IL

#7 Mar 23, 2013
Neighbor wrote:
I was talking to a Liberal friend yesterday over beers. He brought up the need for Background checks. I told him we already have a background check. He said no we don't! I said when you apply for a FOID, the state does a background check. His response? "What's a FOID"?..... Uninformed, and voting. <lol
The long & short of all these debates only boils down to (as stated) our God Given Rights expressed & guaranteed in the Constitution.
So if you want to try to re-define the 2nd Ammendment, see the 9th first (The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.) Kind'a like Rule 1 - No re-defining, Rule 2 - See Rule 1 type of thing.
Further proof that the "Low Information Citizen" is not an educated citizen. Hence, can't take an educated "stance" or have a "solution" to an issue that they know nothing about. An educated America is a Free, Prosperous, and Safe America!
Professor

Mokena, IL

#8 Mar 23, 2013
Remember the constitution grants us "Rights" not safety. Safety comes from individual gun ownership. If you want to be safe...... buy a gun, support concealed carry, and you will be as safe as you could be in any society! No country in the world offers you more safety than United States, due to our "Bill Of Rights"
hold on

Roselle, IL

#9 Mar 23, 2013
Neighbor wrote:
I was talking to a Liberal friend yesterday over beers. He brought up the need for Background checks. I told him we already have a background check. He said no we don't! I said when you apply for a FOID, the state does a background check. His response? "What's a FOID"?..... Uninformed, and voting. <lol
The long & short of all these debates only boils down to (as stated) our God Given Rights expressed & guaranteed in the Constitution.
So if you want to try to re-define the 2nd Ammendment, see the 9th first (The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.) Kind'a like Rule 1 - No re-defining, Rule 2 - See Rule 1 type of thing.
First of all was your friend 6 years old. Anybody that lives in the state of Illinois, who has anything whatsoever to do with firearms or ever reads a newspaper or watches the news would know what a FOID card is. But its your story so okay.
Now onto background checks. You really believe that the ISP has the time or money to do real background checks on potential gun owners. Please wake up. You send them a form, you answer a few questions, which they take as the gospel and they run a criminal history check. Those questions about mental health disorders etc are not looked into. Those are used to disqualify someone should the local police take the time to check a person for FOID after handling a mental health issue and sending the ISP FOID a copy of the report. Prior to the card being issued there is no check with local agencies about this. It should happen but it does not, due to time, money and manpower constraints all around. In a perfect world ISP would get the request. Do a criminal background check. Then say you live in New Lenox. They would check with New Lenox, Mokena, Frankfort, Manhattan, WCSP, and say Lockport for any reports about you that might prohibit gun ownership. Such as mental health issues, domestic violence issues not reported to the courts for prosecution, public intoxication etc etc. That does not happen. I would be willing to bet that most agencies after handling a mental subject situation do not check the person for a FOID and then forward the information to ISP. So lets not go thinking that we have a real system of background checks in place, not even close. And as I said with the money woes this state is in, it wont happen anytime soon. Plus then the NRA and gun advocates would scream about the delays in processing FOID applications, real public safety be damned. Lets not kid each other. And by the way I am for peoples rights to own a firearm, I just believe the system to check those persons is badly broken and woefully lacking in its ability to weed out potential problems.
NL Local

Chicago, IL

#10 Mar 23, 2013
hold on wrote:
<quoted text>
First of all was your friend 6 years old. Anybody that lives in the state of Illinois, who has anything whatsoever to do with firearms or ever reads a newspaper or watches the news would know what a FOID card is. But its your story so okay.
Now onto background checks. You really believe that the ISP has the time or money to do real background checks on potential gun owners. Please wake up. You send them a form, you answer a few questions, which they take as the gospel and they run a criminal history check. Those questions about mental health disorders etc are not looked into. Those are used to disqualify someone should the local police take the time to check a person for FOID after handling a mental health issue and sending the ISP FOID a copy of the report. Prior to the card being issued there is no check with local agencies about this. It should happen but it does not, due to time, money and manpower constraints all around. In a perfect world ISP would get the request. Do a criminal background check. Then say you live in New Lenox. They would check with New Lenox, Mokena, Frankfort, Manhattan, WCSP, and say Lockport for any reports about you that might prohibit gun ownership. Such as mental health issues, domestic violence issues not reported to the courts for prosecution, public intoxication etc etc. That does not happen. I would be willing to bet that most agencies after handling a mental subject situation do not check the person for a FOID and then forward the information to ISP. So lets not go thinking that we have a real system of background checks in place, not even close. And as I said with the money woes this state is in, it wont happen anytime soon. Plus then the NRA and gun advocates would scream about the delays in processing FOID applications, real public safety be damned. Lets not kid each other. And by the way I am for peoples rights to own a firearm, I just believe the system to check those persons is badly broken and woefully lacking in its ability to weed out potential problems.
Well I must say you do NOT know crap about background checks and how they are done. Trully a man talking out his butt with no understanding of the system. You are all wrong.
hold on

Roselle, IL

#11 Mar 23, 2013
NL Local wrote:
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Well I must say you do NOT know crap about background checks and how they are done. Trully a man talking out his butt with no understanding of the system. You are all wrong.
Really. Please tell me then, what is done by the ISP when doing a background check for a FOID card. Please be specific. I cant wait to hear your answer.
Professor

Mokena, IL

#12 Mar 23, 2013
hold on wrote:
<quoted text>
First of all was your friend 6 years old. Anybody that lives in the state of Illinois, who has anything whatsoever to do with firearms or ever reads a newspaper or watches the news would know what a FOID card is. But its your story so okay.
Now onto background checks. You really believe that the ISP has the time or money to do real background checks on potential gun owners. Please wake up. You send them a form, you answer a few questions, which they take as the gospel and they run a criminal history check. Those questions about mental health disorders etc are not looked into. Those are used to disqualify someone should the local police take the time to check a person for FOID after handling a mental health issue and sending the ISP FOID a copy of the report. Prior to the card being issued there is no check with local agencies about this. It should happen but it does not, due to time, money and manpower constraints all around. In a perfect world ISP would get the request. Do a criminal background check. Then say you live in New Lenox. They would check with New Lenox, Mokena, Frankfort, Manhattan, WCSP, and say Lockport for any reports about you that might prohibit gun ownership. Such as mental health issues, domestic violence issues not reported to the courts for prosecution, public intoxication etc etc. That does not happen. I would be willing to bet that most agencies after handling a mental subject situation do not check the person for a FOID and then forward the information to ISP. So lets not go thinking that we have a real system of background checks in place, not even close. And as I said with the money woes this state is in, it wont happen anytime soon. Plus then the NRA and gun advocates would scream about the delays in processing FOID applications, real public safety be damned. Lets not kid each other. And by the way I am for peoples rights to own a firearm, I just believe the system to check those persons is badly broken and woefully lacking in its ability to weed out potential problems.
I don't know any criminal who took the time to have a background check before they robbed or killed. Think that is going to change? The federal government doesn't have time (according to biden) to prosecute gun offenders who lie on the current background checks when caught. How is that going to change now? Cmon "Hold On" lets be honest. If we don't count all the black on black gang related murders in this country, we would have the lowest murder rate in the world, while having the most weapons in the hands of its citizens! Think so?
Four More Years

New Lenox, IL

#13 Mar 23, 2013
Professor wrote:
<quoted text>I don't know any criminal who took the time to have a background check before they robbed or killed. Think that is going to change? The federal government doesn't have time (according to biden) to prosecute gun offenders who lie on the current background checks when caught. How is that going to change now? Cmon "Hold On" lets be honest. If we don't count all the black on black gang related murders in this country, we would have the lowest murder rate in the world, while having the most weapons in the hands of its citizens! Think so?
You are going to lose on the universal background checks. Public opinion and Michael Bloomberg will outweigh the NRA. Just my opinion. We will see what happens.
hold on

Roselle, IL

#14 Mar 23, 2013
Well I see that I got no response from the poster who stated I was all wrong. Look at the ISP website for FOID card application. It states that most applications are processed within 30 days. No sets of fingerprints are submitted. You fill out an application. Answer a few questions that you can easily lie about and thats it. We are really doing very little in the way of background checks and I dont see any change. I know for a fact that no forms are sent from the ISP FOID division to the applicants home address police department or even county sheriffs to check their in house system. A simple name check is run for a criminal history. No type of check is done for habitual drug usage, alcohol abuse or mental health problems. If any of this were the case, would people who have gotten multiple DUIS still have a FOID card? Are police agencies who deal with mental disturbed individuals required to check to see if they have a FOID card and forward their reports to ISP for possible FOID revocation? The answer to both these questions is no. The system for getting a FOID card is flawed and will remain so due to a lack of funding for such matters.
And for once Professor I agree with you. No criminals dont give a good damn. They will still get access to guns and use them. Many are convicted felons several times over and they have no problem getting a gun.
Which was my point in the first place. You can have universal background checks etc etc.. That is all just window dressing. What is the system for revoking FOID cards. Yes criminal convictions for felonies and domestic related offenses. But there is nothing mandatory in place for the insane person that the police have dealt with 6 previous times. And had to have transported for evaluations. Nothing that states that a check will be run and all reports forwarded to ISP who will revoke the FOID. And then no way of forcing the person to allow law enforcement into their home to seize weapons they may have. So we can all debate background checks from here till the end of time. But in reality the system in place is broken and I dont look for it to be fixed anytime soon.
And how about the system for private sales of weapons. If I sell you a gun, according to Illinois law we are both to keep a record of that sale for ten years. But we dont turn these records over to anyone. And I am not advocating that we should. Again my point, I dont think we need to have too much fear about any real enforcement ever taking place.
Unincorporated

Frankfort, IL

#15 Mar 24, 2013
FOID cards are unconstitutional to begin with. Your posts are rambling. Get a life.
NL Local

Chicago, IL

#16 Mar 24, 2013
hold on wrote:
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Really. Please tell me then, what is done by the ISP when doing a background check for a FOID card. Please be specific. I cant wait to hear your answer.
There are thousands of foid apps refused every year, 1) when you fill out a app. You must give then your dl or id number as well as ss number. and a pic. No matter what pic you send the one they use is the one they get from the state from your dl or id. If it is not the same FAIL. 2) a check is run on both your dl and ss number. Owe child support FAIL, any drug charges FAIL any felonies FAIL, any mental issues FAIL they have access to every time you are charged with anything. Smack your wife and get arrested FAIL. your run thru ncis. Remember bad guys do not apply for foid's.
NL Local

Chicago, IL

#17 Mar 24, 2013
NL Local wrote:
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There are thousands of foid apps refused every year, 1) when you fill out a app. You must give then your dl or id number as well as ss number. and a pic. No matter what pic you send the one they use is the one they get from the state from your dl or id. If it is not the same FAIL. 2) a check is run on both your dl and ss number. Owe child support FAIL, any drug charges FAIL any felonies FAIL, any mental issues FAIL they have access to every time you are charged with anything. Smack your wife and get arrested FAIL. your run thru ncis. Remember bad guys do not apply for foid's.
Let me add that once a foid number is issuied that number is run on every day thru a system thats checks your crime history if you were arrested or charged with something that would be against foid rules it will pop up and your card WILL be revoked..
hold on

Roselle, IL

#18 Mar 24, 2013
NL Local wrote:
<quoted text>
There are thousands of foid apps refused every year, 1) when you fill out a app. You must give then your dl or id number as well as ss number. and a pic. No matter what pic you send the one they use is the one they get from the state from your dl or id. If it is not the same FAIL. 2) a check is run on both your dl and ss number. Owe child support FAIL, any drug charges FAIL any felonies FAIL, any mental issues FAIL they have access to every time you are charged with anything. Smack your wife and get arrested FAIL. your run thru ncis. Remember bad guys do not apply for foid's.
Yes I stated that certain criminal charges, felonies, domestic violence etc will eliminate you. Please tell me how they check mental issues. How would they know. How about multiple duis, or minor drug charges. If that were the case every person ever charged with any drug crime could not get a card. And I know that is not the case. I know plenty of people that I have seen charged with drug crimes get a FOID card. As for the child support, that is a tool that they have been using on any professional licensing in Illinois. Whether it be your D/L or a plumbers license.
And I totally agree with you about the criminals, I have said that. Here is my point once again. I personally dont believe we have much too fear from the background checks as they are not that extensive.
In my opinion this is all political grandstanding. As we all have seen the government is well known for doing most things half arsed.
hold on

Roselle, IL

#19 Mar 24, 2013
NL Local wrote:
<quoted text>
Let me add that once a foid number is issuied that number is run on every day thru a system thats checks your crime history if you were arrested or charged with something that would be against foid rules it will pop up and your card WILL be revoked..
However, your local authorities ie town, county police are not notified of this happening. Only if they run a check for whatever reason would they find out. As I stated the system is flawed. The communication between ISP and local authorities is not good in the case of FOID card issues.
Professor

Mokena, IL

#20 Mar 24, 2013
NL Local wrote:
<quoted text>
There are thousands of foid apps refused every year, 1) when you fill out a app. You must give then your dl or id number as well as ss number. and a pic. No matter what pic you send the one they use is the one they get from the state from your dl or id. If it is not the same FAIL. 2) a check is run on both your dl and ss number. Owe child support FAIL, any drug charges FAIL any felonies FAIL, any mental issues FAIL they have access to every time you are charged with anything. Smack your wife and get arrested FAIL. your run thru ncis. Remember bad guys do not apply for foid's.
You are correct. The democratic communist only want one thing! Total gun control.......then total control of your life to follow!

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