Our City Council is an Embarrassment
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Since: Dec 12

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#42 Feb 12, 2013
Chumbalone wrote:
<quoted text> This COUNTRY and form of government is based on RULE BY MAJORITY....as well as towns and villages. It's quite simple.You and the other knuckleheads can't see it. The REASON the veto was used is because the "minority" group did not get their way (5 to 3 vote) so they used a veto to stop what a majority of duly elected council members voted to do. Had nothing to do with anything except "not getting their way". YOU and the FEW OTHERS may not see it that way....but that's the way it went down. The 5 votes may not have been right or wrong...but the bottom line was that situation created more animosity and grief for this council and ALL the residents. If we continue to allow this type of nonsense to go on....NOTHING and I MEAN NOTHING will ever get done. I guess if a majority existed with Colarelli and his "lapdogs" was formed and voted for all sorts of things that may not be necessary for Lockport....will that be OK ??? It's all about who is in control.....and Trivedi and Colarelli were NOT in the majority so they played a card. We cannot continually have the tail wagging the dog. It is very obvious that you and some others will NEVER be convinced that this form of OBSTRUCTIONISM is WRONG on either side of an issue. So be it...go and continue to keep your big heads in the sand.
You are incorrect as to the form of government in this country. This country is a Representative REPUBLIC not a Representative DEMOCRACY. Under a republic the rule of the majority is limited by the Constitution. This safeguards the rights of the minority and the individual. In a Democracy the majority rules without regards to safeguard the rights of the minority or the individual.

Checks and balances, it keeps the majority from running roughshod over the minority and forces a solution that is fair and equitable for all.Your side may not like the outcome but in most cases it is best for the totality of the community.
Chumbalone

Downers Grove, IL

#43 Feb 12, 2013
EJCDad wrote:
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You are incorrect as to the form of government in this country. This country is a Representative REPUBLIC not a Representative DEMOCRACY. Under a republic the rule of the majority is limited by the Constitution. This safeguards the rights of the minority and the individual. In a Democracy the majority rules without regards to safeguard the rights of the minority or the individual.
Checks and balances, it keeps the majority from running roughshod over the minority and forces a solution that is fair and equitable for all.Your side may not like the outcome but in most cases it is best for the totality of the community.
This is not North Korea knucklehead. No one is riding roughshod over anyone. This is a small town where 8 people decide small town issues. The issue that was vetoed was a simple vote to lower a water rate...not a defense budget or a supreme court nominee. Are you nuts ??? Five duly elected people voted for a simple resolution...which they had a right to do. Don't the residents who voted for those people have the right to have their voices heard ????? Your comments about riding roughshod over a minority is asinine. All that action did was insure that no one would compromise with anyone ever again. You say "checks and balances"....correct....O NLY if it goes YOUR WAY ! Three (3) people DO NOT speak to what is best for the 24K of residents in this town....that is totalitarian in my book. They DO NOT speak for me !

Since: Jul 12

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#44 Feb 12, 2013
EJCDad wrote:
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You are incorrect as to the form of government in this country. This country is a Representative REPUBLIC not a Representative DEMOCRACY. Under a republic the rule of the majority is limited by the Constitution. This safeguards the rights of the minority and the individual. In a Democracy the majority rules without regards to safeguard the rights of the minority or the individual.
Checks and balances, it keeps the majority from running roughshod over the minority and forces a solution that is fair and equitable for all.Your side may not like the outcome but in most cases it is best for the totality of the community.
You and I are wasting our typing fingers trying to debate with Chumbalone AKA FORKED TONGUE (Van Dyke) himself. Nothing more than trying to spin their line of BS to make it sound right. Why have we not heard from Robinson with their so called water plan. They only show to talk about the roads.

Why, for it would take all the wind out of the windbags in the majority, for then people would see it was not a 29 million mistake, but in fact work needed to be done, except this majority did not like CMT and wanted the crooks at Robinson back in, no matter the cost.

So I guess all the taxpayers who supported the past plan and firm have no say as long as this majority was in control. Remember even FORKED TONGUE himself, always support the plan in one form or another. Never repeat NEVER did FORKED TONGUE ever put a resolution forth, vote against or for on closing the wells.

The time is coming to start bringing this to the public mind, now that elections is getting closer.

Since: Dec 12

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#45 Feb 12, 2013
Chumbalone wrote:
<quoted text> This is not North Korea knucklehead. No one is riding roughshod over anyone. This is a small town where 8 people decide small town issues. The issue that was vetoed was a simple vote to lower a water rate...not a defense budget or a supreme court nominee. Are you nuts ??? Five duly elected people voted for a simple resolution...which they had a right to do. Don't the residents who voted for those people have the right to have their voices heard ????? Your comments about riding roughshod over a minority is asinine. All that action did was insure that no one would compromise with anyone ever again. You say "checks and balances"....correct....O NLY if it goes YOUR WAY ! Three (3) people DO NOT speak to what is best for the 24K of residents in this town....that is totalitarian in my book. They DO NOT speak for me !
[quote]This COUNTRY and form of government is based on RULE BY MAJORITY....as well as towns and villages[/quote]

In one posting you say we have a country based on rule by majority. I pointed out to you we have a representative republic. The next post has you saying its only eight people in a town of 24k. Regardless of the size it is still a representative republic just on a smaller scale. Which means ALL VOICES ARE HEARD and protected equally. I never said anyone in this city was being oppressed. You made that correlation on your own. You then try and make it sound like peoples voices are not being heard because of a veto. That is patently false.If the decision made by the mayor to veto an ordinance, council decision etc, was determined not to be in the best interest of the city you can override the vote as you know. If can not sway the votes of enough representatives to change the decision was it right for the city in the first place.

I do say checks and balances, otherwise you do have people that WILL run roughshod given the chance. With that I am reminded of what Alexander Fraser Tytler quote concerning Democracy's which is what you are advocating:

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy."

Since: Jul 12

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#46 Feb 12, 2013
Chumbalone wrote:
<quoted text> This is not North Korea knucklehead. No one is riding roughshod over anyone. This is a small town where 8 people decide small town issues. The issue that was vetoed was a simple vote to lower a water rate...not a defense budget or a supreme court nominee. Are you nuts ??? Five duly elected people voted for a simple resolution...which they had a right to do. Don't the residents who voted for those people have the right to have their voices heard ????? Your comments about riding roughshod over a minority is asinine. All that action did was insure that no one would compromise with anyone ever again. You say "checks and balances"....correct....O NLY if it goes YOUR WAY ! Three (3) people DO NOT speak to what is best for the 24K of residents in this town....that is totalitarian in my book. They DO NOT speak for me !
Just for your clarification as has been proven at public mtg affter public mtg, as well in the paper, blog etc. The 5 in the majority have NEVER repeat NEVER put forth a ordinance to LOWER the water rate. Every ordinance they put forth was only to put off the icnreases until after the april election 2013. That is fact, not a spin, no smoke and mirrors.

P.S., and to make matters worse, according to public mtg's the 5 never attempted to communicate with the other 2 districts, so even if it was not vetoed by the mayor, would it have stood a chance of passing the other 2 districts. There is one issue you seem to forget. Now also according to public mtg's didn't the other district actually propose a resolution to actually lower everyones water rates, only to have good old FORK TONGUE decide not to even bring before the full council.

So who was cheating everyone from being heard now. None other than the FORGUE TONGUE Van Dyke.
Lockport Proud

Lockport, IL

#47 Feb 20, 2013
Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse, we had tonight's meeting. What an absolute embarassment. It took over 4 hours to get absolutely nothing accomplished.

Deskin bringing in that brown water was obviously grandstanding, but at least there was a valid point in there. From there it turned into an absolute free for all. Elemntary school children behave better than this group.

Seriously.....all but Parretta need to go
Lockport Local

Lockport, IL

#48 Feb 20, 2013
Lockport Proud wrote:
Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse, we had tonight's meeting. What an absolute embarassment. It took over 4 hours to get absolutely nothing accomplished.
Deskin bringing in that brown water was obviously grandstanding, but at least there was a valid point in there. From there it turned into an absolute free for all. Elemntary school children behave better than this group.
Seriously.....all but Parretta need to go
Not accomplishing anything may be a good thing considering what the "Slimys" have done the last 20 months. They are just waiting for the election trying to screw things up and blame everbody else. Peretta is running unopposed and wants to be above the fray. I am sorry to say this makes him look weak. He needs to be in the mix if he is to lead in Lockport. Playing defense and running the flag up the pole to see which way the wind is blowing does not make one a leader. He is a good man but has not shown a lot of lead when it comes to the hard decisions. I don't see him out there in the lead for getting Streit elected. What is that all about? I can't believe he would consider Turner a viable mayor for the next 4 years.
Resident

Lockport, IL

#49 Feb 20, 2013
From watching it tonight Peritta is wishy washy. He needs to show leadership as he is acting like a lame duck. He needs to be for the residents and show it! That means, elect a real leader like Streit. If he goes to Turner's gang, I will vote against him next time. I live in his district and to tell you the truth, I am not impressed with him. He looks weak! He looks like this present Mayor and the slimys.
It shows

Lockport, IL

#50 Feb 20, 2013
I viewed it on Comcast and I thought the same thing. You are either decisive or you look like you can't make a decision that is for the residents. The residents of Lockport deserve the best and they are not getting it. You are either with them or against them. It shows.

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