CARE propaganda defeated
Posted in the Joliet Forum
#1 Oct 3, 2013
It was good to see that six council members and the Mayor didn't listen to CARE's propaganda last night. Only a fool believes any of the CARE propaganda. Of course the two remaining members of the "majority" were the only people who bought into the BS.
It is beyond comprehension how three women have convinced themselves that they are smarter than everyone else. Those women actually believe that only they know about oil pipe lines, oil tanks and barges. They believe that the dozen or so governmental agencies that have oversight of the development are all incompetent.
The craziest thing about the CARE women is that they actually believed that preventing the Cogent operation from happening would remove America's dependence on oil. Of course, every one of those women and the two aldermen who voted no, came to the meeting in cars. Evil cars that burn evil gasoline that is refined from evil oil.
I thank the six council members and the Mayor that voted yes. I thank you for adding jobs and property tax revenue to the City of Lockport. I thank you for finally getting something on the old Texaco property that will benefit all taxpayers in Lockport.
#2 Oct 3, 2013
If you a lie often enough, eventually some people will believe it. That has been the strategy that has been used by the CARE women for years to convince the residents of Lockport that new development on the former Texaco refinery site is a terrible idea and that everybody should oppose it. Fortunately, the mayor and the new majority of the city council were able to see right through their BS.
#3 Oct 3, 2013
Glad to see this project approved,
it is a positive for Lockport,
and C.A.R.E. will see that it will not destroy the Downtown, property values will not decrease because of Co-Gent. People will not be leaving in droves.
and we won't see 2 mile long trains either.
my prediction, C.A.R.E. members won't move out of Lockport
they will stay around and do what they do best, find another (non)issue and make noise about it.
#4 Oct 3, 2013
Thank God! That is one downtown that needs protection.
#5 Oct 4, 2013
"not destroy the Downtown".....????? Are you talking about Downtown Lockport ??? Hey...have you looked at it closely...and lately ??? It's ALREADY DESTROYED !! I could "care" less about CARE...but you are whistling past the graveyard about "the downtown". Stuff all the oil tanks you want on that land...but they will NEVER resurrect the downtown. Stop living the "pipe" dream ! By the way...property values around Lockport already suck. Where have you been lately !
#6 Oct 4, 2013
Co-Gent has NOTHING to do with the condition of Downtown, Co-Gent did not put it in it's current state.
Property values are down but again it has Absolutely NOTHING do do with Co-Gent.
Property values will not rebound with out economic development.
#7 Oct 4, 2013
There are people who think that this Cogent deal will create a mountain of tax dollars to resurrect the "downtown" area. YOU stated it will NOT destroy the downtown. The point I made was that the downtown is ALREADY DESTROYED and will take MUCH MORE THAN COGENT to fix it up. Cogent can fill up that entire area with oil storage tanks, I don't give a damn...but dollars to doughnuts it will NOT bring back the sorry state of the Lockport downtown any time soon. Let's not make this Cogent thing a "panacea" for greatness like some of the knuckleheads on this forum think. They're just OIL STORAGE TANKS and SHIPPING BARGES....not gold mines !!! Chevron should have built another refinery on that land....now THAT would have been economic development...jobs..jobs...and more jobs....and tax money galore !! OH....I forgot...Texaco left....and MILLIONS were spent cleaning up the mess left behind. Now..the mess left behind that is not cleaned up....is...guess what...DOWNTOWN LOCKPORT. You, my friend, are right..Cogent did not do anything...and never will.
#8 Oct 4, 2013
You really miss the point,
Co-gent did not destroy down town nor will it rebuild it. economic growth will be the key to rebuilding
the site is not large enough for a modern refinery
and we know there was enough "noise" made over oil tanks, imagine if an oil processing facility was proposed?
energy is a foundation of our economy.
co-gent is not the total answer but a step in the right direction.
#9 Oct 7, 2013
Sir...I did NOT miss the point. I fully realize "energy" is ONE foundation of our economy. You sir have demeaned any OTHER forms of energy that COULD also add to the FOUNDATION of our economy.(GO READ MANY OF YOUR PAST POSTS). So please spare me statement that I "missed the point". A field full of oil tanks sitting there and a few barges manned by a handful of workers will add a pittance of "economic recovery" to Lockport....which is what we should be concerned about....not some outfit that will be "storing and transporting" US and Canadian oil product OUT of the United States. In my opinion...that may be "business" but quite un-American.
#10 Oct 7, 2013
There will not be one "Magic Bullet" that will revive the local economy, but we must take steps that add to the economy, everything helps.
so there may be "hand full" of full time employees at the co-gent site,
but what about the support services? a barge dock means more business for barge lines, and that will lead to more business for marine mechanics to support the barge lines. there will be companies that inspect and maintain the tanks and pumps,and it goes beyond that. their may not be many on-site but there will many indirectly supporting the facility.
if Exporting a product is "Un American" what about people who buy imported good in the US? that seems even more Un American to me.
#11 Oct 7, 2013
What this thread was all about form the beginning is that the CARE group's two-year campaign of mis-information, rumors and outright lies failed miserably to prevent the Planing Commission, the City Council and the Mayor from approving the Cogent project.
No one ever said that the property tax revenue that will be coming from Cogent was going to solve all of the city's problems, and no one expects it to do so.
Yes, the crude oil will be coming to Lockport by pipeline from North Dakota and will be going to refineries by barge to Louisiana where it will be refined into petroleum products that will most likely be exported to Mexico or Brazil. I just don't have a problem with any of that happening.
#12 Oct 8, 2013
Let's just add the corporate "geniuses", who moved almost all US manufacturing "offshore", to the list of un-Americans. Nothing like "slave labor" overseas in the name of corporate profits and then bring the crap back here for people to buy then scream for tax breaks . Enough said...and by the way...please spare me the "blame the unions" nonsense for this offshore crap. Like Gordon Gecko once said.." Today I am here to tell you that greed is good". Also..enough said about Cogent. They are here....so be it. We will see how long Cogent lasts as a company before they sell out to another "transport" company with different ideas on how to transport their "product". Break the lease you say ???? It's been fun !!
#13 Oct 8, 2013
I don't blame the unions,
I blame people like you and C.A.R.E.
that try fight against businesses and industry
then complain that they move off shore.
#14 Oct 9, 2013
Let's look at another factor,
the Texaco refinery was built in 1911,
It's a safe bet that the people who opposed the Co-Gent development have purchased their current homes some time after 1911.
so, these people knew that the Texaco property was an industrial site and some of the oil storage tanks had not been removed since the refinery shut down in 1981. If wasn't farm land, Forrest land or a swamp. it has been an Industrial site.
So you knew what was there before you moved in.
No one forced you to move near the Texaco site
and no one is making you stay,
if you feel that strongly you are free to move to out of Lockport.
#15 Oct 10, 2013
Hey look pal...where the hell do YOU live !!! I DO NOT live near that spot...but I DO have respect for ANYONE who must live near ANY area that has hazardous material. Maybe they can't move. Who the hell are you to tell ANYONE to move. If you like oil tanks and barges why don't YOU move to the west side or better yet to downtown Lockport so you can stare at those tanks. That pile of junk land WAS a refinery ! Someone saw fit to spend MILLIONS to CLEAN IT UP after the refinery went away. Just because it's an "industrial" site does NOT mean it needs to go back to an oil depot. There are plenty of other "industrial" businesses that could have gone on that site...NOT JUST MORE OIL. If you want to kiss these oil people's asses...that's your business. I DO NOT belong to CARE or any other organization pro or con . I'm not a joiner.I DO have my opinion....like it or not. Like I said Cogent is here for a long time unless they sell out which is more likely. The idiots on the council, who don't know jack about anything related to the oil industry, voted to allow the lease. Most if not all of them will be gone in a few years and many of them probably don't live on the west side anyway.
#16 Oct 10, 2013
Again we have the middle class jumping up to protect the corporate interests. They act like it will provide some benefit to them. Same ones that support the military folly and wall street that has true control of our phony democratic republic. These people are the problem because they actually think they are patriotic. They the type that would have supported the British in the 1770's. They are nothing but weak dupes. Enjoy your profits Cogent. Lockport will see no benefit.
#17 Oct 10, 2013
I in fact DO live near the old Texaco site
and closer than many of the C.A.R.E. members
I can and often walk to the site to use the trail running through the site. I do like oil tanks, barges and trains. And I am glad they exist because I know that they contribute to our standard of living.
I never said that people had move,
I said if they did not like it they could move.
Remember the refinery was there before most of the current residents of Lockport.
What industries do you support that can be built in the Star Business park?
again I have to explain; in 1911 there were few if any environmental laws. a lot has happened since then ( except for the Cubs wining a world series )
we have more environmental regulations, we have much more technology to monitor operations and prevent accidents.
there is also better technology to trap and clean up any slight chance of a major spill.
#18 Oct 10, 2013
Supporting economic freedom is patriotic.
Lockport will see no Benefit?
Co-Gent will contribute $20,000 annually towards city events.
$5000 annually to a scholarship for arts and education.
and a one time $100,000 donation to construct street monument signs.
that is above moneys paid for the lease of the site
hardly "no benefit"
#19 Oct 10, 2013
And the property tax for the two tanks is $130,000 annually
#20 Oct 10, 2013
I think the last 3 posts are all from Colarelli. He's that motormouth at the city. He is the only person in Lockport who wants to live next to an oil depot. Probably because of his job at Citgo.
I live on the west side and we thought the city wouldn't bring oil back. Big surprise, they did.
The idiots at the city probably don't even know where the west side is.
I read somewhere that the mayor owes money for the Chamber of Commerce, was this whole deal a payoff?
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