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jeff

Glendale Heights, IL

#1 Feb 12, 2010
I found and interesting site regarding teacher salaries www.indeed.com/salary
Reality

Naperville, IL

#2 Feb 13, 2010
I just watched a financhial discussion on the state of affairs.

The "reality" is guaranteed pensions and teacher salaries are not sustainable. We had been over spending on these for over 10 years with only thoughts of failure. The economic crash and it's impact for the next 5 to 10 years is devastating. The word "devastating" here means these two items can not be sustained. Pain is coming.

The analysis states that we must establish a tiered system ASAP. Those with 10 years or more would be protected on salary & pension. Those with less than 10 years "must" have greater than 30% reductions across the next 10 years. They state the pot was empty & negative before the crash. That's it's simply not possible to continue.

Pretty interesting, factual and scarey too. They cited the Unions across the country will be facing the exact same scenario. Only a tiered soultion is feasible, else collaps is eminent and we lose everything. Like going bankrupt... You can't claim payment in most cases if it's a bankruptsy they say.

Folks, these guys are probably right. I think we all know that huh? It sure is going to be a long tough road ahead of us for everyone.

I think "any" job out there today being funded by our tax dollars is going into hard times these next 10 years.

While in good times, SS collapse & Medicare collapse was put off with future groth promisses. Well? We are broke...so broke we can not afford to pay attention. Expect the worse and adjust....
duh

Chicago, IL

#3 Feb 14, 2010
try this even more interesting
http://www.championnews.net/salaries.php
unions bankrupting state

South Elgin, IL

#4 Feb 15, 2010
So true. The teacher's union is one of THE most damaging gravy trains for our state. It simply can no longer continue at the present state. The union can bitch all it wants...the reality is, no more money for this extravagant pension system.

We should all get such a deal, but then we'd have to work for the government.
bull

Mokena, IL

#5 Apr 26, 2010
teachers only work 180 days a year with full benifits not a bad gig
Village People

United States

#6 Apr 26, 2010
bull wrote:
teachers only work 180 days a year with full benifits not a bad gig
180 days? What school are you talking about? Um, I think your like 3 mos off .
bull

Mokena, IL

#7 Apr 26, 2010
count the days that teachers are in class
Dont Get Confused

United States

#8 Apr 27, 2010
To be clear (any teacher can validate this) the salaries posted by law are the base salary. Most teachers actually make more because they get extra pay for sitting in a committee, attending after school events, etc.... Many teachers in Plainfield & Naperville have made $10,000 a year above their base. In Naperville the "average" teacher base salary id close to $86,000. At Hinsdale South (the blue collar school) the Drivers Ed teacher makes over $115,000 base.

Our teachers get paid way too much for what they actually do. I could train you in 6 weeks to take a lesson plan and teach any course there is.... It's really not hard at all.
bull

Mokena, IL

#9 Apr 27, 2010
Wow that really clears thing up
Cegs Bloomers

Joliet, IL

#10 Apr 27, 2010
Reality wrote:
I just watched a financhial discussion on the state of affairs.
The "reality" is guaranteed pensions and teacher salaries are not sustainable. We had been over spending on these for over 10 years with only thoughts of failure. The economic crash and it's impact for the next 5 to 10 years is devastating. The word "devastating" here means these two items can not be sustained. Pain is coming.
The analysis states that we must establish a tiered system ASAP. Those with 10 years or more would be protected on salary & pension. Those with less than 10 years "must" have greater than 30% reductions across the next 10 years. They state the pot was empty & negative before the crash. That's it's simply not possible to continue.
Pretty interesting, factual and scarey too. They cited the Unions across the country will be facing the exact same scenario. Only a tiered soultion is feasible, else collaps is eminent and we lose everything. Like going bankrupt... You can't claim payment in most cases if it's a bankruptsy they say.
Folks, these guys are probably right. I think we all know that huh? It sure is going to be a long tough road ahead of us for everyone.
I think "any" job out there today being funded by our tax dollars is going into hard times these next 10 years.
While in good times, SS collapse & Medicare collapse was put off with future groth promisses. Well? We are broke...so broke we can not afford to pay attention. Expect the worse and adjust....
Wow, you really need to check your spelling
Tom Lewis

New Lenox, IL

#11 Apr 27, 2010
Dont Get Confused wrote:
To be clear (any teacher can validate this) the salaries posted by law are the base salary. Most teachers actually make more because they get extra pay for sitting in a committee, attending after school events, etc.... Many teachers in Plainfield & Naperville have made $10,000 a year above their base. In Naperville the "average" teacher base salary id close to $86,000. At Hinsdale South (the blue collar school) the Drivers Ed teacher makes over $115,000 base.
Our teachers get paid way too much for what they actually do. I could train you in 6 weeks to take a lesson plan and teach any course there is.... It's really not hard at all.
Sir, please come back to me after you have taken your 6 week course, and taught for a while, and let me know how good a teacher you are. Unbelievable statement!
jake

Frankfort, IL

#12 Apr 27, 2010
If teaching is such a gravy job, jump on board.Try it for 20, 30 years and your outlook may change on the hours teachers work per day, and the compensation they recieve. Homework to be graded, report cards, afterschool meetings, parents to deal with. Children that are dropped off at the front door by mommy and expect the educational system to raise their kids. The list goes on and on. Been there,done that it is a very demanding job.I have not heard any complaints on professional athletes salaries yet people are willing to drop hundreds of dollars to be entertained by a bunch of overpaid athletes. I will again repeat myself, if teaching is so easy jump on board. Until you have walked a mile in my shoes you do not have a clue.
Professor

United States

#13 Apr 27, 2010
You raise the point of "experience"? I did not address that did I? As an ex-teacher, you know what I am referring to. In 6 weeks, any intelligent person can be teaching in our schools. Certainly their gaining experience at it will add great value, but the point is that it's not rocket science to learn how to teach through a lesson plan. You know it & I know it. For what teachers "actually" do in a classroom, they are today very heavily compensated. Why would they leave? To work 50 to 60 hours a week like the tax payer parents? <grin Most don't right?
Professor

United States

#14 Apr 27, 2010
Hey, I am sorry you spent your life in a classroom alone. You missed the whole real world across your lifetime. I thank you for staying behind of course, someone needs to teach the kids. But Sir, you have no real world experience to draw your opinions from. It's like ice cream. You may have used 33 flavors across the years in various teaching techniques, but you still only had ice cream to work with.
it is their job

Warrenville, IL

#15 Apr 27, 2010
jake wrote:
If teaching is such a gravy job, jump on board.Try it for 20, 30 years and your outlook may change on the hours teachers work per day, and the compensation they recieve. Homework to be graded, report cards, afterschool meetings, parents to deal with. Children that are dropped off at the front door by mommy and expect the educational system to raise their kids. The list goes on and on. Been there,done that it is a very demanding job.I have not heard any complaints on professional athletes salaries yet people are willing to drop hundreds of dollars to be entertained by a bunch of overpaid athletes. I will again repeat myself, if teaching is so easy jump on board. Until you have walked a mile in my shoes you do not have a clue.
It's their job. They're not martyrs or saints.
jake

Frankfort, IL

#16 Apr 27, 2010
You said it not me, and they deserve every penny they make. Give it a try and see what is all about.And one more thought, who do you think draws up the lesson plan? Certainly not the parents or people complaining about teachers salaries.All I can say is hop on the gravy train if it is so easy.
Professor

United States

#17 Apr 27, 2010
I think jake makes my point (4 posts back) and he has no clue why. Sad and funny both....
Silly

Watseka, IL

#18 Apr 27, 2010
I am confused on why teachers are the ones to suffer? They are the ones who are changing america. Every single one of you on this thread can look back and say. "That teacher made a difference!" How come we are not talking about the police and fireman? Police in New Lenox harrass the taxpayers and sit in squad cars and watch for? I am not sure. We have had arson in New Lenox and 2.6 million dollars in drugs turn up in manhattan.
Teacher

Springfield, IL

#19 Apr 27, 2010
Professor wrote:
You raise the point of "experience"? I did not address that did I? As an ex-teacher...
Ahhh, so an expert on what it takes to be in the teaching field, eh?
Professor

United States

#20 Apr 27, 2010
Silly wrote:
I am confused on why teachers are the ones to suffer? They are the ones who are changing america. Every single one of you on this thread can look back and say. "That teacher made a difference!" How come we are not talking about the police and fireman? Police in New Lenox harrass the taxpayers and sit in squad cars and watch for? I am not sure. We have had arson in New Lenox and 2.6 million dollars in drugs turn up in manhattan.
Probably because 75% of our $7,000 tax bill goes to the schools to pay the teachers. Further, there is documented evidence that pouring more money into a school does not have a significant impact on educational results.(Research Washington DC schools)

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