Right In The Back
Uncle Sam

Northbrook, IL

#22 Dec 4, 2012
Uncle Buck? Now that was funny... lol
hold it

New Lenox, IL

#23 Dec 4, 2012
hold on wrote:
<quoted text>
Well your post says a lot for you. You were voting for Obama and by reading the comical postings of Neighbor and Professor you changed your mind. Say no more. As for being a democrat, believe whatever you like. If you cant see that change is needed in the Republican Party to stay afloat amongst a demographically changing nation, well I cant help you either.
As for the pension it will be there, will there be changes, yes without a doubt. If you read the thread about public pensions I made it very clear that changes are much needed. I have no fear of losing my pension. As for a second job, yes most likely I will as I will be retired at age 50 from the first.
And as for my hairy nose, well thanks for noticing. Love Uncle Buck.
I didn't find anything comical. It made me take a closer look. I thought I'd give Fox News a try instead of watching NBC all the time. I learned a lot. You're just as pompous as the ones you constantly argue with. Don't get too cocky about that pension either, Bucky. There are going to be changes alright. Amendment 49 didn't pass this time but it will. Just wait and see and you can kiss that pension goodbye. Any money you've saved won't be worth squat either. You'll be cleaning tables at McDonalds well into your 90's. You are not nearly as bright as you think you are.
Professor

Mokena, IL

#24 Dec 4, 2012
hold on wrote:
<quoted text>
Once again you have proven just how dense you are. Just because I dont agree with your ridiculous right wing ideology, you immediately label me an Obama supporter. Even though over and over I have made it clear that I supported Romney and voted for him as well. And if policy knows no party, then what is to prevent policy from destroying anti Obama persons. Your post is foolish as usual. You would be better served just to stay silent.
That's my point. EVERYONE will suffer. Even the Obama supporters like you who are waiting for a hand out. I like the fact that they will be crushed as well by his Marxist agenda. That's the only thing that makes me happy from this election.
hold on

Naperville, IL

#25 Dec 4, 2012
hold it wrote:
<quoted text>
I didn't find anything comical. It made me take a closer look. I thought I'd give Fox News a try instead of watching NBC all the time. I learned a lot. You're just as pompous as the ones you constantly argue with. Don't get too cocky about that pension either, Bucky. There are going to be changes alright. Amendment 49 didn't pass this time but it will. Just wait and see and you can kiss that pension goodbye. Any money you've saved won't be worth squat either. You'll be cleaning tables at McDonalds well into your 90's. You are not nearly as bright as you think you are.
If you think Amendment 49 was needed for pension change then you dont have a clue as to what you are talking about. Just stay tuned here for about a month. Pension changes in Illinois will start getting passed here not long after the new year. Politicians from both parties hear what the people want. And with about 23 months before to go before the next major elections the time to act is now. Politicians want a nice period for people to forget what they may have done to them. As in the saying time heals all wounds. I have far more knowledge as to what may be coming down the pike, then you do and that is obvious by your posts. If you feel good about making ridiculous statements about cleaning tables at age 90 well then go ahead.
hold on

Naperville, IL

#26 Dec 4, 2012
Professor wrote:
<quoted text>
That's my point. EVERYONE will suffer. Even the Obama supporters like you who are waiting for a hand out. I like the fact that they will be crushed as well by his Marxist agenda. That's the only thing that makes me happy from this election.
And exactly what handout am I waiting for. Please tell us all with your incredible wisdom oh wise Professor. These kind of posts are why I find your posts to be some of the dumbest I have ever read. You dont have a clue as to what you are talking about.
Not another one

Frankfort, IL

#27 Dec 4, 2012
hold it wrote:
<quoted text>
I didn't find anything comical. It made me take a closer look. I thought I'd give Fox News a try instead of watching NBC all the time. I learned a lot. You're just as pompous as the ones you constantly argue with. Don't get too cocky about that pension either, Bucky. There are going to be changes alright. Amendment 49 didn't pass this time but it will. Just wait and see and you can kiss that pension goodbye. Any money you've saved won't be worth squat either. You'll be cleaning tables at McDonalds well into your 90's. You are not nearly as bright as you think you are.
Your last sentence describes YOU perfectly. Oh brother, another right wing nut riding the Republican short bus. If somebody like "Hold On" who can actually articulate a thought is going to be cleaning tables at McDonald's what in the hell are "challenged" individuals like you, Professor, and Neighbor going to do? My guess is the same thing you guys do now....nothing. I've never seen so many guys complain about taxes they don't pay and gripe about jobs they don't have than I have on this forum.
hold it

New Lenox, IL

#28 Dec 4, 2012
hold on wrote:
<quoted text>
If you think Amendment 49 was needed for pension change then you dont have a clue as to what you are talking about. Just stay tuned here for about a month. Pension changes in Illinois will start getting passed here not long after the new year. Politicians from both parties hear what the people want. And with about 23 months before to go before the next major elections the time to act is now. Politicians want a nice period for people to forget what they may have done to them. As in the saying time heals all wounds. I have far more knowledge as to what may be coming down the pike, then you do and that is obvious by your posts. If you feel good about making ridiculous statements about cleaning tables at age 90 well then go ahead.
Where did I say Amendment 49 was needed or that I approved of it? I was telling you to get off your high horse about your "guaranteed pension" because the politicians are planning to steal your money. You're right, 90 was ridiculous let's just say 80 then.
hold it

New Lenox, IL

#29 Dec 4, 2012
Not another one wrote:
<quoted text>
Your last sentence describes YOU perfectly. Oh brother, another right wing nut riding the Republican short bus. If somebody like "Hold On" who can actually articulate a thought is going to be cleaning tables at McDonald's what in the hell are "challenged" individuals like you, Professor, and Neighbor going to do? My guess is the same thing you guys do now....nothing. I've never seen so many guys complain about taxes they don't pay and gripe about jobs they don't have than I have on this forum.
The only challenged people on this forum are the ones who have blinders on. Kiss "Hold On" goodnight for me will ya.
hold on

Naperville, IL

#30 Dec 5, 2012
hold it wrote:
<quoted text>
Where did I say Amendment 49 was needed or that I approved of it? I was telling you to get off your high horse about your "guaranteed pension" because the politicians are planning to steal your money. You're right, 90 was ridiculous let's just say 80 then.
Once again you are wrong. Planning to steal the money. Thats funny. They have been stealing the money for over 20 years now, how in the hell do you think we got into this mess. The workers never got a break from putting their money in as prescribed by Illinois law, so dont fault them.
And amendment 49 was a garbage proposal so full of crap that all sides of pension reform called for it to be defeated. Its poorly and excessively worded jibberish left the door open for non stop lawsuits to be filed doing nothing more than creating a bigger financial mess.
Its quite obvious that you have very little understanding of what changes and overall what is happening with pensions here in Illinois. Not too mention other states that have already gone before us in making drastic changes and having those changes overturned by the courts on all levels. With that being said I think I will not worry too much about getting my pension that by the way I have paid into now for over 25 years at 10% of my pay, so yes I earned it. So I guess that leaves the job you speak of at McDonalds open for you. Not that I have a problem working at McDonalds and have in fact many years ago been employed by them. No I think that I am going to put in for seasonal work with Fish and Wildlife down in the southern states to supplement my pension. But again thanks for caring so much. Been a pleasure chatting with you.
Neighbor

United States

#31 Dec 5, 2012
Hold-On.... Ever check out Christine Radogino's Face Book page? She covers a lot on activity with IL State Pension reform.
hold on

Naperville, IL

#32 Dec 5, 2012
Neighbor wrote:
Hold-On.... Ever check out Christine Radogino's Face Book page? She covers a lot on activity with IL State Pension reform.
NO I will give it a look, thanks. The best thing I have going for me is that I am near the end of the rainbow. As we all know any changes will be challenged in the courts anyway and this will drag out forever. I will be long retired by that time.
I fully expect increases to the employees contributions to be a part of it. I also expect that the 3% automatic compounding cola raises for retirees to be scaled back drastically as well. Also those that were getting free healthcare benefits for life should expect major changes as well.
As I have stated before, if fully funded by both sides and the fund is managed properly it can work. I use my own as an example we are funded at a rate of near 80 percent. While the statewide average I believe is around 45 percent.
I think the most interesting aspect will be what the state legislature does with the teachers pension fund. The state itself obviously cannot continue to foot the bill. But will they kick back on the local taxing districts to levy, that is the question. I believe to some degree that must happen. And I dont see why it has not all along. Your property tax bill already levies for fire, police and other municipal workers retirements and always has. At any rate its going to be an interesting and quite possibly uncomfortable ride ahead for public employees. But let me state for the record, not as uncomfortable as the alternative could be.
hold it

New Lenox, IL

#33 Dec 5, 2012
hold on wrote:
<quoted text>
Once again you are wrong. Planning to steal the money. Thats funny. They have been stealing the money for over 20 years now, how in the hell do you think we got into this mess. The workers never got a break from putting their money in as prescribed by Illinois law, so dont fault them.
And amendment 49 was a garbage proposal so full of crap that all sides of pension reform called for it to be defeated. Its poorly and excessively worded jibberish left the door open for non stop lawsuits to be filed doing nothing more than creating a bigger financial mess.
Its quite obvious that you have very little understanding of what changes and overall what is happening with pensions here in Illinois. Not too mention other states that have already gone before us in making drastic changes and having those changes overturned by the courts on all levels. With that being said I think I will not worry too much about getting my pension that by the way I have paid into now for over 25 years at 10% of my pay, so yes I earned it. So I guess that leaves the job you speak of at McDonalds open for you. Not that I have a problem working at McDonalds and have in fact many years ago been employed by them. No I think that I am going to put in for seasonal work with Fish and Wildlife down in the southern states to supplement my pension. But again thanks for caring so much. Been a pleasure chatting with you.
I know very well they have been stealing for years. My point is that they will continue to steal it until they have it all. That includes your fully funded pension. What makes you so sure that your pension is safe from their greedy hands? When you retire in 2 years or whenever you said you're retiring will you be given a lump sum or will you receive the money in bi-weekly/monthly checks? If you are not getting it all at once then you are not in control of the money. The government is. The same ones who have been stealing for years.
Worker

Chicago, IL

#34 Dec 5, 2012
Class warfare needs to stop. There is no reason why people making over $200k should be attacked. These are not the people who are crazy wealthy. Why should someone be taxed more because they worked hard, maybe spent money on college, for people who do not have jobs and who do not care to have jobs.

Everyone should pay the same.
Rubio2016 wrote:
<quoted text>Actually I did read it and I was correcting you on your attitude that this only effects those earning $200K+ so who cares since you don't qualify for that. Because in fact, they are going to hit everyone with higher taxes, just not in the form of capital gains. And by the way, do you have to make $200K to have your retirement plan invested in stocks or mutual funds? Nope. So what do you think is going to happen to the stock market and your little 401k when the wealthy decide to stop investing in stocks to avoid the additional taxes? You guessed it genius. There goes your retirement and you don't make $200K.
hold on

Naperville, IL

#35 Dec 5, 2012
hold it wrote:
<quoted text>
I know very well they have been stealing for years. My point is that they will continue to steal it until they have it all. That includes your fully funded pension. What makes you so sure that your pension is safe from their greedy hands? When you retire in 2 years or whenever you said you're retiring will you be given a lump sum or will you receive the money in bi-weekly/monthly checks? If you are not getting it all at once then you are not in control of the money. The government is. The same ones who have been stealing for years.
I can only control what I can control, no more, no less. I base my opinions and beliefs on the information that I get by being actively involved in the pension process. Which quite frankly is far more solid than you coming on Topix and threatening that it will all be taken. Your words carry no weight in the future of the pension process. I had no quarrel with you, but you chose to jump in the fray and go on the attack, which is your business. Again I dont know what the point was to this, but it appears that you are enjoying it so have at it. And have a fantastic day. But I will be sure to heed your warnings when I am enjoying the pension money being deposited in my account. And should it end, then you dust yourself off and go out and make more money through work. I have worked many private jobs before my public service and also through my public service career. As I stated before, I will most assuredly work after my public service career is over as well. And then I will wait for my social security to kick in as well, yes I pay fully into that fund as well. Now I am making myself laugh, social security funny stuff. And if all that fails then I will go back to the old days when I really had little money and ate popcorn 3-4 nights a week for dinner. Quite filling really if you can afford a little butter and parmasaen cheese on it. Hope that answered all your questions and maybe more.
hold on

Naperville, IL

#36 Dec 5, 2012
Worker wrote:
Class warfare needs to stop. There is no reason why people making over $200k should be attacked. These are not the people who are crazy wealthy. Why should someone be taxed more because they worked hard, maybe spent money on college, for people who do not have jobs and who do not care to have jobs.
Everyone should pay the same.
<quoted text>
Not going to argue with you on that, but I dont think you are ever going to see a flat tax rate across the board ever. And with all the loopholes currently available, its really about what your true effective tax rate is when the balance sheet aka taxes are filed with the IRS. Many end up paying no tax at all.
Sally

Chicago, IL

#37 Dec 5, 2012
Uncle Sam wrote:
Hereeeee Comes the next stab wound...
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/03/us-...
159 pages of NEW IRS steal your money rules, thanks to you Obama voters.... You get what you stupidly asked for. <lol Too late to say you did not know, did not realize, did not understand. You were played like a cheap $10 Banjo... <LMAO You know that "other peoples money" you dreamed of having? Guess what? To Obama, YOU ARE THE OTHER PEOPLE!! ROFLOL Now pay-up!
HA HA HA HA Sore LOSER!!!
hold on

Naperville, IL

#38 Dec 5, 2012
And since we got side tracked and talking about pensions let me make this analogy that brings together the message I have been pushing all along.

If someone says to me, for your pension you must make changes and they wont be pleasant and you may not like all of them but they must be done to preserve your pension. Or you can stubbornly say, no I steadfastly refuse to accept any change and lose my whole pension.
I am making the hard to accept changes, cutting my loses and doing what needs to be done to save something over nothing.

This has been my exact message to Neighbor and Professor all along. We as the Republican party must be willing to make some changes due to a demographically changing society. Or you can cling stubbornly to old hard line ideology and piss it all away. As for me, I want to save where I can and compromise to keep some of my ideals alive. Yes sometimes change can be a hard thing to swallow, but I would rather take one or two bitter pills than to be forcibly injected with the serum.

In my opinion we have no choice and I think that the public, whether unwisely or uninformed showed what they wanted. We are a democracy and I want to keep some of my say alive. Otherwise we can just be run over and left on the side of the road for dead.

And believe me, it is far from just me saying this. I think we all saw that after the election. Change must accomplished in order to have a fighting chance.

Neighbor in the Hostess thread, you stated that the union made an informed decision and will now have to live with the decision that closed the company. Well now we as the Republican party are that union and we have hard decisions to make as well. Which do you choose.
hold it

New Lenox, IL

#39 Dec 5, 2012
hold on wrote:
<quoted text>
I can only control what I can control, no more, no less. I base my opinions and beliefs on the information that I get by being actively involved in the pension process. Which quite frankly is far more solid than you coming on Topix and threatening that it will all be taken. Your words carry no weight in the future of the pension process. I had no quarrel with you, but you chose to jump in the fray and go on the attack, which is your business. Again I dont know what the point was to this, but it appears that you are enjoying it so have at it. And have a fantastic day. But I will be sure to heed your warnings when I am enjoying the pension money being deposited in my account. And should it end, then you dust yourself off and go out and make more money through work. I have worked many private jobs before my public service and also through my public service career. As I stated before, I will most assuredly work after my public service career is over as well. And then I will wait for my social security to kick in as well, yes I pay fully into that fund as well. Now I am making myself laugh, social security funny stuff. And if all that fails then I will go back to the old days when I really had little money and ate popcorn 3-4 nights a week for dinner. Quite filling really if you can afford a little butter and parmasaen cheese on it. Hope that answered all your questions and maybe more.
It was your arrogance that prompted me to respond to you. Hard to believe that a person who has worked in the public sector for so many years and paid into a pension fund would be so nonchalant about the possibility of losing it all, especially so close to retirement. Most people would be fighting tooth and nail to make sure the thieves didn't succeed. Oh well, to each his own. Enjoy your popcorn.
Rubio 2016

Schererville, IN

#40 Dec 5, 2012
Worker wrote:
Class warfare needs to stop. There is no reason why people making over $200k should be attacked. These are not the people who are crazy wealthy. Why should someone be taxed more because they worked hard, maybe spent money on college, for people who do not have jobs and who do not care to have jobs.
Everyone should pay the same.
<quoted text>
Very true. However, its not going to happen. People making 50k cant comprehend what it means to make 200k. They envision those people as living in the lap of luxury. They dont think about the 80k in taxes that they pay by the time its all done. And of course they envision and believe that those people should live the same lifestyle that they are at 50k. They do not care about all of the hard work and sacrifices that those 200k earners made to get where they are. And really this cant change because the dem marketing machine wont allow it to. They wouldnt be able to win elections.
Rubio 2016

Schererville, IN

#41 Dec 5, 2012
hold on wrote:
<quoted text>
Not going to argue with you on that, but I dont think you are ever going to see a flat tax rate across the board ever. And with all the loopholes currently available, its really about what your true effective tax rate is when the balance sheet aka taxes are filed with the IRS. Many end up paying no tax at all.
Again, brainwashed by the dem marketing machine. I can tell you this, i have been fortunate enough to be able to EARN an income that puts me comfortably in that 1 percent range that everyone seems to hate. I am not warren buffet or bill gates, but i do well. The thing is, it makes me want to vomit when i hear uninformed people like yourself say that many people like me pay no taxes at all. It's just absolute nonsense. Sure, i take advantage of every deduction that i can but i have news for you. That gets me down to around 30 percent in fed inc taxes. And i can tell you for certain that i have never met anyone else like me who pays much less. That is because we are the people who make anywhere from 250k to 1m per year, depending on the year. We are not billionaires like warren buffet that complain that we dont pay enough in taxes but turn around and spend 50 million dollars on tax attorneys to find every loophole.(i made up the 50 mil but i would love to know what he pays his tax attorneys) The problem is that $200k is a middle to upper middle class family these days. Politicians need to realize that and quit treating those people as rich.

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