Turner Opposes Target Development

Turner Opposes Target Development

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Go Lkpt

Lemont, IL

#1 Oct 30, 2013
Did you see Turner at City Council tonight? He actually spoke against the Target development!

I am so glad he lost that election - didn't he lose 80% to 20%? It's no wonder!

Mayor Streit is doing a great job.
Lockport

Lockport, IL

#2 Oct 31, 2013
There is no question that Turner is a fool. That being said, I can't believe that he would be against the Target development. I didn't watch the meeting and I didn't record the meeting.

Did he really oppose the development? What exactly did he say? What did the rest of the council say about the development.

Did anyone discuss the revenue that the Lockport would expect?
Nobody likes you

New Lenox, IL

#3 Oct 31, 2013
Lockport Blows! That ship has sailed!
Ellis Wyatt

Buffalo Grove, IL

#4 Oct 31, 2013
I bet if C.A.R.E. wanted to open a yoga mat recycling facility, Turner would support that.
Hugh Hewitt

Lemont, IL

#5 Oct 31, 2013
Turner said he'd be afraid that the Ace Hardware and Dollar Stores would go out of business if a Target/Lowe's came to town. He said that Anthony's Pancake House might go out of business if more restaurants came to Lockport.
Food dude

United States

#6 Oct 31, 2013
Hugh Hewitt wrote:
Turner said he'd be afraid that the Ace Hardware and Dollar Stores would go out of business if a Target/Lowe's came to town. He said that Anthony's Pancake House might go out of business if more restaurants came to Lockport.
Ace will probably last but better businesses plural might just shut down Anthony's. I'll take 2 or more quility businesses over Anthony's
Abc

United States

#7 Oct 31, 2013
In his typical political ways Turner never actually said he opposed it (so when it's successful he can try to wiggle out of his wrong stance). He did however negatively imply that it is inevitable (bc the rest of the council - even Marynowski supports it). He then went on to worry about Ace and Anthony's. He also bitched about letting the developer earn 30 cents of every dollar of sales tax.

The rest of the council is extremely supportive of the deal. They all thanked the mayor, staff and developer for such a fair deal.

Deskin added some numbers that I didn't follow exactly , but I think he said $20M in prop tax and $30M in the city's share of sales tax in the next 20 years. SOUNDS GOOD TO ME!!!

If they can actually get a bww built in 12 months I'll be ecstatic
KIngpin no more

Lockport, IL

#8 Oct 31, 2013
Refreshing to hear of NEW businesses contemplating to be in Lockport. The people of Lockport have waited over four long years to get more building done. It is about progress! The old restaurants need to compete and if they don't that is their hard luck. The new stores and businesses hardware, clothing, restaurants, etc. whatever they are will be so welcomed. That was what the election was all about and that is why we are again seeing progress coming. It was like being stuck in the mud for four long years. The people want it and it is predictable that it will be a success! Right now we are Lockport Proud! Thanks to all that are helping see this through and the vision of Lockport will be fulfilled! The new businesses will clean up this town too. As for another topic, the Mayor makes the final choice and we need to let him do his job....keep your nose out of it. He is the Mayor and makes those decisions. Some are trying to take away his power.
Life is good

Lockport, IL

#9 Oct 31, 2013
By the grapevine I have heard developers are really wanting to come here. They have stayed away for a reason. That reason being they did not get the backing they needed to develop here. It is now ok to come. They will be successful here, even tho we have a few looney tunes. They are moving right in and that is fine. It shows their interest. We are ready, more than ready, and will be able to do our bausiness here and spend our money here. Life is good and we could not be happier. The city will be happy too as money will finally be coming their way again. Lockport will not be laughed at as it has been in the past. It is now going to be progressive like our sister cities are. Go, Lockport!
Lockport

Lockport, IL

#10 Nov 1, 2013
Abc wrote:
In his typical political ways Turner never actually said he opposed it (so when it's successful he can try to wiggle out of his wrong stance). He did however negatively imply that it is inevitable (bc the rest of the council - even Marynowski supports it). He then went on to worry about Ace and Anthony's. He also bitched about letting the developer earn 30 cents of every dollar of sales tax.
The rest of the council is extremely supportive of the deal. They all thanked the mayor, staff and developer for such a fair deal.
Deskin added some numbers that I didn't follow exactly , but I think he said $20M in prop tax and $30M in the city's share of sales tax in the next 20 years. SOUNDS GOOD TO ME!!!
If they can actually get a bww built in 12 months I'll be ecstatic
If I understand this correctly, Deskin reported that there will be $20 million in property tax and $30 million in sales tax generated over 20 years.

Turner doesn't believe that $50 million in additional revenue over the next 20 years is a good idea?

This is just another example of why it was so important for Turner to lose the last election. It's also as strong a reason as any to ensure that he loses all future elections.
Nobody likes him

Lockport, IL

#11 Nov 1, 2013
You are right on!
Barry Goldwater

Lockport, IL

#12 Nov 1, 2013
What is the plan at gougar and 151st. I know it is already coming fast but I just wondered how many warehouses and park set up? Hopefully they have someone to fill them. I know this plan was on the table a few years back but Homer Glen was able to bully some of our weaker alderman out of the deal.
at the moose

Palatine, IL

#13 Nov 1, 2013
I talked to Turner at the Moose and he said he is voting for this when it comes up for a vote.

I wonder why someone would start this thread?

I wonder who would start this thread?

Is it someone who is in hot water over a letter to the editor?

See you at the Moose.

at the moose

Palatine, IL

#14 Nov 1, 2013
Tonight at the Moose, Live on stage "Five Guys Named Moe" come on out.
Barry Goldwater

Lockport, IL

#16 Nov 2, 2013
That Heritage crossings development will provide much more for Lockport than anything retail. Why are people not talking more about that project. People exited about a retail center by the Tollway that offers the same goods nationwide. Kind of like being exited about a new TV season. America has lost all things unique. We are a bunch of Corporate worshipping lemmings.
Abc

United States

#17 Nov 3, 2013
at the moose wrote:
I talked to Turner at the Moose and he said he is voting for this when it comes up for a vote.
I wonder why someone would start this thread?
I wonder who would start this thread?
Is it someone who is in hot water over a letter to the editor?
See you at the Moose.
Did you watch the meeting? Do you know what's going on?

The problem with Turner is that he is always angling for his next election. Because of that he has no problem talking out of both sides of his mouth. His position changes daily depending on who he's talking to (Cogent is the #1 example).

As I stated in my original post - he's just posturing. I'm sure he'll vote for it because he HAS to (how could anyone vote against this?). But he's pissed because the new mayor and council are getting the things they said done and his votes don't matter. Seriously, the new group has accomplished more in 6 months than the 4 years when Turner was in charge and he looks like a fool for it.
Nobody likes him

Lockport, IL

#18 Nov 3, 2013
In his mind, he still has a chance..even after the people gave him the worst lashing he ever had in votes. His apparent disliking of development only stands to make his chances of ever being elected in this town very remote. He is the type of person who is for a thing before he is against it. I agree with you it is all about the next election for him. To be sure he has old coughitis waiting in the wings to come back. The new people are doing great and will continue to do great which is going to make it harder for him to get anybody elected..including himself!
Chumbalone

Downers Grove, IL

#19 Nov 4, 2013
Abc wrote:
<quoted text>
Did you watch the meeting? Do you know what's going on?
The problem with Turner is that he is always angling for his next election. Because of that he has no problem talking out of both sides of his mouth. His position changes daily depending on who he's talking to (Cogent is the #1 example).
As I stated in my original post - he's just posturing. I'm sure he'll vote for it because he HAS to (how could anyone vote against this?). But he's pissed because the new mayor and council are getting the things they said done and his votes don't matter. Seriously, the new group has accomplished more in 6 months than the 4 years when Turner was in charge and he looks like a fool for it.
How in the world does Deskin or anybody else know for sure that Lockport will benefit 50 MILLION dollars from the old...now new target development area by the tollway ?? What will Lockport's "NET GAIN" be after "incentives" are rebated to these new "developers".They DO NOT work for nothing. It's good to know that something is happening...but let's not fall all over ourselves thinking this WILL be a guaranteed gold mine. Secondly....let's not canonize this council just yet. Four years ago the economy was in the biggest hole since the depression and NOBODY was doing anything with large scale developments unless they were already "on the books". No one was buying or selling homes. None were being built and home builders were going bankrupt as well as home owners. Anyone can be a hero, including city councils, when times are good...or improving...as they are now. Time will tell...so hold off on crowning these people as heros.
Confused

United States

#20 Nov 4, 2013
Chumbalone wrote:
<quoted text> How in the world does Deskin or anybody else know for sure that Lockport will benefit 50 MILLION dollars from the old...now new target development area by the tollway ?? What will Lockport's "NET GAIN" be after "incentives" are rebated to these new "developers".They DO NOT work for nothing. It's good to know that something is happening...but let's not fall all over ourselves thinking this WILL be a guaranteed gold mine. Secondly....let's not canonize this council just yet. Four years ago the economy was in the biggest hole since the depression and NOBODY was doing anything with large scale developments unless they were already "on the books". No one was buying or selling homes. None were being built and home builders were going bankrupt as well as home owners. Anyone can be a hero, including city councils, when times are good...or improving...as they are now. Time will tell...so hold off on crowning these people as heros.
What everyone is missing is its not ALL ABOUT the immediate monetary gain of these "big boxes" coming in. Flat out, people aren't moving to Lockport vs Mokena, New Lenox, Frankfort, etc. because they don't see progress. We need new "rooftops" to generate more property tax, which helps schools, which attracts new people, etc. Its the "circle of life". Business want to come to areas as well that offer shopping, dining out, etc.

I love the unique shops, restaurants as much as the next person but you NEED the big box stores and chains to bring in the masses so they can FIND the unique places. I also think its a pipe dream to think downtown lockport can be a boom. The fact of the matter is the ONE LANE that stretches from 355 to Route 53 is seen as a traffic bottleneck. People can circumvent it by going south to 80 or taking 55 to 53. Before we could even thing about downtown lockport blowing up, 159th/9th street needs to be FOUR LANES including adding lanes to the bridge. I don't see that happening. We need the 355 development to get some stuff going to bring people in with an eye for downtown in the future.

Even if the target lot developers were bringing in ZERO dollars other than funding the project. It would bring life back to Lockport, hopefully bring more young families (young families LOVE going to Bw3, Chili's, etc.), jobs, etc. Do you want 100% of 0$ or 20% of 100% at the minimum.
Lockport Proud

Mundelein, IL

#21 Nov 4, 2013
Chumbalone wrote:
<quoted text> How in the world does Deskin or anybody else know for sure that Lockport will benefit 50 MILLION dollars from the old...now new target development area by the tollway ?? What will Lockport's "NET GAIN" be after "incentives" are rebated to these new "developers".They DO NOT work for nothing. It's good to know that something is happening...but let's not fall all over ourselves thinking this WILL be a guaranteed gold mine. Secondly....let's not canonize this council just yet. Four years ago the economy was in the biggest hole since the depression and NOBODY was doing anything with large scale developments unless they were already "on the books". No one was buying or selling homes. None were being built and home builders were going bankrupt as well as home owners. Anyone can be a hero, including city councils, when times are good...or improving...as they are now. Time will tell...so hold off on crowning these people as heros.
I think he said that those numbers were based off the experts assessment and were (supposedly) conservative. I also think he said that $50M was the government's share - the developer would also earn $13M.

I have no idea if those numbers are right, but even if he is WAY off and the city only gets $30M instead of 50, it's the best development this city has ever seen.

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